Yes, it looks awful doesn't it? Glad to read you Mum and her friends are OK.
This is something we will be seeing more of though. There's no doubt the climate is changing. We're getting warmer Winters here already.
We have people nearby moaning about the beach being covered in stone rather than being a sandy beach. It spoils the traditional Victorian beach resort vibe apparently! Well, that town in question, if you look at it from down the road, really shouldn't be where it is so any flood defence should be welcomed not criticised.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes, it looks awful doesn't it? Glad to read you Mum and her friends are OK.
This is something we will be seeing more of though. There's no doubt the climate is changing. We're getting warmer Winters here already.
We have people nearby moaning about the beach being covered in stone rather than being a sandy beach. It spoils the traditional Victorian beach resort vibe apparently! Well, that town in question, if you look at it from down the road, really shouldn't be where it is so any flood defence should be welcomed not criticised.
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Thanks Diafol, the problem is far too many people can’t see past the end of their nose and want to ruin it for not just future generations but the future is happening now at a scarier rate than most could picture
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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Yes, every point there correct, Keiran!
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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Yes, every point there correct, Keiran!
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and Barry has always been a bit of a dikhed
If global warming existed how come it is colder today than it was yesterday. Also this time of year every year I always remember it getting COLDER not warmer. And this has happened for millennia. Can't just highlight the times it gets warmer like in summer and completely ignore that half the time it is getting colder as well. It's almost like they have an agenda.
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
If global warming existed how come it is colder today than it was yesterday. Also this time of year every year I always remember it getting COLDER not warmer. And this has happened for millennia. Can't just highlight the times it gets warmer like in summer and completely ignore that half the time it is getting colder as well. It's almost like they have an agenda.
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QED
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Hope you're enjoying a nice Rioja or two 52!
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Take in a madrid game, remind yourself what it’s like to watch a good team
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Hope you're enjoying a nice Rioja or two 52!
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Doing my best Diafol. Tapas and glass or two make for a good dinner.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Just been in Madrid too - got back only last night.
We had a big storm in the northeast of the city, but I think that was Tuesday, not Monday, and we didn't get all that much either side.
Both things are possible though, it's a typical feature of these 'cold drop' weather fronts.
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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all facts .... and lets not forget there has been many utterly huge events in earths history, various ice ages etc, which clearly had nothing to do with humans.
having said that... you can't escape another fact, since records began, 180 years ago... the ten warmest years have occurred in the last ten years. the planet is heating up.
whilst I don't think this is entirely the fault of humans, purely looking at the history of our planet - but I don't think we're helping at all.. more than likely speeding the process up.
you do have to wonder what earth will be like in a thousand years time
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
I’m currently 90km South of Valencia on the coast. It was crazy windy here and the weather felt menacing but it didn’t rain
Storms and heavy rain are frequent at this time of year they call it Gota Fría when cold air from the mountains hits the warm Med sea and makes a weather bomb which can be very destructive, seen a free over the years.
The last disaster around here was huge fires hitting urban areas due to no rain and extreme heat so very opposite problems for the same area.
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
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agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
and 100,000 years is a relatively short space of time.. with the age of the earth being 4.6 billion years old.
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
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See what Franko up there said about him living quite close and having had no rain.
It's because one of the characteristic features of these events is that the downpours can be quite localised. Huge amounts of rain can fall in a very brief period of time in a relatively restricted area.
So virtually every other year you get similar record amounts of rainfall in some town or other, depending on where specifically the event hits.
That isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that this type of weather event is a common feature of the climate on Spain's east coast.
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
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agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
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Yeah wasn't saying humans don't exacerbate it, that's almost beyond debate. But putting EVERYTHING down to climate change dilutes the wider issue. Especially when it is nothing to do with climate change like the guy when I was at uni on Facebook blaming earthquakes on climate change...
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
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But once in a century events still happen typically around once a century. Even in this country, planning and building control work to once in a century events are not disaster proof. To do so would be impractical. Crazy the people saying 'but this area never floods' (under once in a century conditions they have never experienced because, guess what, they haven't been around a century)
That currently the planet is heating up is not in widespread dispute.
That we are trying to do something about it, ditto.
That it's inhabitants are somewhat more interested in holding onto power and killing other inhabitants is clear.
The last person to leave this earth will be able to boast (to nobody) 'aye, bit yous all died first'.
And Spain had >11,000 heat related deaths in 2022 so the flood losses are ironically a drop in the ocean.
For the record the UK had 3469 as well.
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
-------------------------
agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
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Yeah wasn't saying humans don't exacerbate it, that's almost beyond debate. But putting EVERYTHING down to climate change dilutes the wider issue. Especially when it is nothing to do with climate change like the guy when I was at uni on Facebook blaming earthquakes on climate change...
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yeah totally agree mate
it disheartens me to see idiots in comment sections blame this on conspiracies like HAARP. Which obviously Peks, the faux Spaniard will no doubt do.
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This was more likely set up by Florentino Pérez so Vinicius doesn't have to play in Valencia this weekend.
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The Spanish Floods
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posted on 31/10/24
Yes, it looks awful doesn't it? Glad to read you Mum and her friends are OK.
This is something we will be seeing more of though. There's no doubt the climate is changing. We're getting warmer Winters here already.
We have people nearby moaning about the beach being covered in stone rather than being a sandy beach. It spoils the traditional Victorian beach resort vibe apparently! Well, that town in question, if you look at it from down the road, really shouldn't be where it is so any flood defence should be welcomed not criticised.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes, it looks awful doesn't it? Glad to read you Mum and her friends are OK.
This is something we will be seeing more of though. There's no doubt the climate is changing. We're getting warmer Winters here already.
We have people nearby moaning about the beach being covered in stone rather than being a sandy beach. It spoils the traditional Victorian beach resort vibe apparently! Well, that town in question, if you look at it from down the road, really shouldn't be where it is so any flood defence should be welcomed not criticised.
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Thanks Diafol, the problem is far too many people can’t see past the end of their nose and want to ruin it for not just future generations but the future is happening now at a scarier rate than most could picture
posted on 31/10/24
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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Yes, every point there correct, Keiran!
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, every point there correct, Keiran!
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and Barry has always been a bit of a dikhed
posted on 31/10/24
If global warming existed how come it is colder today than it was yesterday. Also this time of year every year I always remember it getting COLDER not warmer. And this has happened for millennia. Can't just highlight the times it gets warmer like in summer and completely ignore that half the time it is getting colder as well. It's almost like they have an agenda.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
If global warming existed how come it is colder today than it was yesterday. Also this time of year every year I always remember it getting COLDER not warmer. And this has happened for millennia. Can't just highlight the times it gets warmer like in summer and completely ignore that half the time it is getting colder as well. It's almost like they have an agenda.
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QED
posted on 31/10/24
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Hope you're enjoying a nice Rioja or two 52!
posted on 31/10/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Take in a madrid game, remind yourself what it’s like to watch a good team
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Hope you're enjoying a nice Rioja or two 52!
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Doing my best Diafol. Tapas and glass or two make for a good dinner.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
I'm in Madrid at the moment. chucked it down most of Monday, and Tuesday morning but nice since.
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Just been in Madrid too - got back only last night.
We had a big storm in the northeast of the city, but I think that was Tuesday, not Monday, and we didn't get all that much either side.
Both things are possible though, it's a typical feature of these 'cold drop' weather fronts.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 4 hours, 21 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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all facts .... and lets not forget there has been many utterly huge events in earths history, various ice ages etc, which clearly had nothing to do with humans.
having said that... you can't escape another fact, since records began, 180 years ago... the ten warmest years have occurred in the last ten years. the planet is heating up.
whilst I don't think this is entirely the fault of humans, purely looking at the history of our planet - but I don't think we're helping at all.. more than likely speeding the process up.
you do have to wonder what earth will be like in a thousand years time
posted on 31/10/24
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
posted on 31/10/24
I’m currently 90km South of Valencia on the coast. It was crazy windy here and the weather felt menacing but it didn’t rain
Storms and heavy rain are frequent at this time of year they call it Gota Fría when cold air from the mountains hits the warm Med sea and makes a weather bomb which can be very destructive, seen a free over the years.
The last disaster around here was huge fires hitting urban areas due to no rain and extreme heat so very opposite problems for the same area.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
-------------------------
agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
posted on 31/10/24
and 100,000 years is a relatively short space of time.. with the age of the earth being 4.6 billion years old.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
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See what Franko up there said about him living quite close and having had no rain.
It's because one of the characteristic features of these events is that the downpours can be quite localised. Huge amounts of rain can fall in a very brief period of time in a relatively restricted area.
So virtually every other year you get similar record amounts of rainfall in some town or other, depending on where specifically the event hits.
That isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that this type of weather event is a common feature of the climate on Spain's east coast.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
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The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
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agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
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Yeah wasn't saying humans don't exacerbate it, that's almost beyond debate. But putting EVERYTHING down to climate change dilutes the wider issue. Especially when it is nothing to do with climate change like the guy when I was at uni on Facebook blaming earthquakes on climate change...
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Scouse (U9675)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
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Hang on, they had A YEARS WORTH of rain in a few hours, HTF can you call that "a common feature"?
JFC.
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But once in a century events still happen typically around once a century. Even in this country, planning and building control work to once in a century events are not disaster proof. To do so would be impractical. Crazy the people saying 'but this area never floods' (under once in a century conditions they have never experienced because, guess what, they haven't been around a century)
That currently the planet is heating up is not in widespread dispute.
That we are trying to do something about it, ditto.
That it's inhabitants are somewhat more interested in holding onto power and killing other inhabitants is clear.
The last person to leave this earth will be able to boast (to nobody) 'aye, bit yous all died first'.
posted on 31/10/24
And Spain had >11,000 heat related deaths in 2022 so the flood losses are ironically a drop in the ocean.
For the record the UK had 3469 as well.
posted on 31/10/24
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Spanish Italians - Its all coming home again (U21595)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by ai'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Keiran Keane (U1734)
posted 3 hours, 5 minutes ago
The climate has always changed.
Rivers have always had water in them.
There have always been floods.
Bridges have always fallen down (we build new ones)
People have been evacuated for centuries
It has always rained (it's called the weather)
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I'm actually starting to find it a bit tiresome that every single time there's an extreme weather event now, The Guardian ties it in with climate change.
Climate change is a reality we're all aware of, but it's also absolutely true that the type of weather front that's produced these current flash floods are a common feature of the climate in Spain, in much the same way we've always had cyclical droughts.
It gets to a point where pushing this messaging so relentlessly at every possible opportunity creates the impression that they actually relish these opportunities to push their agenda, which feels rather crass and insensitive when the bodies are still being counted.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The story of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" can be used as a metaphor for the way some people attribute every weather event to climate change, potentially diluting the message of real climate change concerns. Here's how the metaphor works:
The Boy: Represents individuals who frequently attribute every weather event, regardless of its severity or scientific connection to climate change, to global warming.
The Wolf: Symbolises the actual and significant impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, extreme weather events, and biodiversity loss.
The Villagers: Represent the general public.
The Boy's Cries: Represent the constant claims that every weather event is a result of climate change.
The Villagers' Disbelief: Symbolises the public's growing skepticism and fatigue towards climate change warnings due to the overemphasis on relatively minor events.
-------------------------
agree with you there tbf...
but I do think us humans are contributing to it, not saying totally responsible however.
Stats like there's only 5% of the living animals on earth today are wild scares me a little.
picture earth say 100,000 years ago, would look so different to now... no way can all that concrete and fumes from cars be helping to the earth.
I do get you tho
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Yeah wasn't saying humans don't exacerbate it, that's almost beyond debate. But putting EVERYTHING down to climate change dilutes the wider issue. Especially when it is nothing to do with climate change like the guy when I was at uni on Facebook blaming earthquakes on climate change...
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yeah totally agree mate
posted on 31/10/24
it disheartens me to see idiots in comment sections blame this on conspiracies like HAARP. Which obviously Peks, the faux Spaniard will no doubt do.
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This was more likely set up by Florentino Pérez so Vinicius doesn't have to play in Valencia this weekend.
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