comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
I've lost trust in Ange now. Every time I've started to believe that we are going to click, we've been hit with a poor loss and each time it's been worse than the last one - Brighton loss was worse than Newcastle, Palace result was worse than Brighton, Ipswich result was worse than Palace. Gone are the days where we were just losing to the decent teams and gone also it seems are the days where we were losing while playing well.

Lose to City, which is extremely likely, and that will be 6 losses in 12. We haven't done that since the awful 2 points from 8 Ramos season. Spurs managers with those stats have lost their jobs previously. The ones that did had a lot more credit in the bank than Ange has.

People try and excuse Ange saying he hasn't had players he wanted i.e. Eze and Neto. Well pretty much every other Spurs manager haven't been given players they wanted by Levy and they've done better than Ange and Ange has spent a fortune, let's not forget. Neto and Eze would have been another £100+m on top of what he's already spent and would that have fixed the shoddy defending for example?

So can he turn it around? Probably not. The ice he is on is wafer thin. Start looking into other managers already while we see how Ange does coming back after the international break. Any more Ipswich or Palace results should be the end of him.
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Some very interesting points made 👍🏾.

I think Levy wants to sack ange because like you say so many other managers have been sacked for less and also don’t have the players they want. The difference here why i think ange has at least the season is because levy knows his back is against the wall as hes tried every other option, when we signed Ange he knew he would have to stand by him cos theres nowhere else to turn and another sacking would expose him further as a failed owner.

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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
If you're one of those awful tap in merchants that suggest progress is only measured by trophies then there's no point in having this debate.

By that rationale, Ramos was a better manager for Spurs than Poch
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Im a tap in merchant because I don’t want to use Arteta as the great reason for keeping Ange? A man who some of the arsenal fans are starting to be disillusioned with, even more so if they dont win a trophy again this year?

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 18 minutes ago
I've lost trust in Ange now. Every time I've started to believe that we are going to click, we've been hit with a poor loss and each time it's been worse than the last one - Brighton loss was worse than Newcastle, Palace result was worse than Brighton, Ipswich result was worse than Palace. Gone are the days where we were just losing to the decent teams and gone also it seems are the days where we were losing while playing well.

Lose to City, which is extremely likely, and that will be 6 losses in 12. We haven't done that since the awful 2 points from 8 Ramos season. Spurs managers with those stats have lost their jobs previously. The ones that did had a lot more credit in the bank than Ange has.

People try and excuse Ange saying he hasn't had players he wanted i.e. Eze and Neto. Well pretty much every other Spurs manager haven't been given players they wanted by Levy and they've done better than Ange and Ange has spent a fortune, let's not forget. Neto and Eze would have been another £100+m on top of what he's already spent and would that have fixed the shoddy defending for example?

So can he turn it around? Probably not. The ice he is on is wafer thin. Start looking into other managers already while we see how Ange does coming back after the international break. Any more Ipswich or Palace results should be the end of him.
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Oh god, I can't do another manager search. When is the penny going to drop that the problem isn't on the touchline, it's in the boardroom? Get rid of Ange and we start all over again with another mug that won't achieve anything.

You say Ange has spent a fortune but in reality, what has he bought? The only surefire primed and ready top player we got in was Maddison and that's largely because his fee was lower with one year left in a relegated team. Beyond that, even though we've got in players like BJ on big fees, there's one common denominator - low wages. We're signing young players in order to keep the wage bill down. Ange probably needs ready made leaders but club policy is stopping him from making progress.

This is not just about the manager. Just like all the managers who worked under Levy for the last 20 years, they're not being backed sufficiently because on field success is not the priority.

I'm still Ange in having slept on it. There's nothing to be gained from pointing the finger at the wrong man.
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We know Levy is historically a problem but it doesn't mean the manager isn't at fault either. Who is to say someone couldn't come in and do a better job with these players? I think it's a good squad overall. There needs to be some additional quality in areas but it's now a better team than it was last season and yet does it look like we are progressing any further a year on?

I want to be patient with Ange but how many times can we throw silly points away and keep hoping we get our act together?

comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
If you're one of those awful tap in merchants that suggest progress is only measured by trophies then there's no point in having this debate.

By that rationale, Ramos was a better manager for Spurs than Poch
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Im a tap in merchant because I don’t want to use Arteta as the great reason for keeping Ange? A man who some of the arsenal fans are starting to be disillusioned with, even more so if they dont win a trophy again this year?
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I only used him as reference because it was until he was 2 seasons in did Arsenal truly kick on. Were it not for the freakish nature of City's dominance, Arsenal would have picked up a PL just as Liverpool would have had more. I just don't like it when people measure progress, talent and success via trophies. By that rationale Harvey Elliot is a better player than Harry Kane, as is Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater amongst many others. It's plainly ridiculous.

It was a stick lazily used to beat Poch but no one can deny the progress we saw under him.

comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 43 minutes ago
I've lost trust in Ange now. Every time I've started to believe that we are going to click, we've been hit with a poor loss and each time it's been worse than the last one - Brighton loss was worse than Newcastle, Palace result was worse than Brighton, Ipswich result was worse than Palace. Gone are the days where we were just losing to the decent teams and gone also it seems are the days where we were losing while playing well.

Lose to City, which is extremely likely, and that will be 6 losses in 12. We haven't done that since the awful 2 points from 8 Ramos season. Spurs managers with those stats have lost their jobs previously. The ones that did had a lot more credit in the bank than Ange has.

People try and excuse Ange saying he hasn't had players he wanted i.e. Eze and Neto. Well pretty much every other Spurs manager haven't been given players they wanted by Levy and they've done better than Ange and Ange has spent a fortune, let's not forget. Neto and Eze would have been another £100+m on top of what he's already spent and would that have fixed the shoddy defending for example?

So can he turn it around? Probably not. The ice he is on is wafer thin. Start looking into other managers already while we see how Ange does coming back after the international break. Any more Ipswich or Palace results should be the end of him.
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Some very interesting points made 👍🏾.

I think Levy wants to sack ange because like you say so many other managers have been sacked for less and also don’t have the players they want. The difference here why i think ange has at least the season is because levy knows his back is against the wall as hes tried every other option, when we signed Ange he knew he would have to stand by him cos theres nowhere else to turn and another sacking would expose him further as a failed owner.
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Levy might want to give him the time that he hasn't with other managers but it's foreseeable that Ange could put himself in a position that Levy almost has no choice but to act. I mean if we go out of the cup, we keep losing PL matches to leave us in mid-table and far from top 4, then it's hard to see Levy being patient, and by that point most of the fans won't be.

Even if the manager goes, we've still got a lot of good youngsters for whoever takes over to work with. There may have even been a reluctance for Levy to give some of the players Ange wanted fearing he may not have been the right man after the way last season panned out. Has anyone considered that?

how much longer is ange contract?

assuming we aint relegation threatened id be inclined for him to see it out if its 3 years and he hasnt earned a new one

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 24 minutes ago
how much longer is ange contract?

assuming we aint relegation threatened id be inclined for him to see it out if its 3 years and he hasnt earned a new one
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If we finish, let's say 8th, and do nothing in the cups or Europe (no further than QFs), you'd be ok giving him a third year?

It's not exactly the actions of a big club, if that's what we are supposed to be.

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 minutes ago
If you're one of those awful tap in merchants that suggest progress is only measured by trophies then there's no point in having this debate.

By that rationale, Ramos was a better manager for Spurs than Poch
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Im a tap in merchant because I don’t want to use Arteta as the great reason for keeping Ange? A man who some of the arsenal fans are starting to be disillusioned with, even more so if they dont win a trophy again this year?
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I only used him as reference because it was until he was 2 seasons in did Arsenal truly kick on. Were it not for the freakish nature of City's dominance, Arsenal would have picked up a PL just as Liverpool would have had more. I just don't like it when people measure progress, talent and success via trophies. By that rationale Harvey Elliot is a better player than Harry Kane, as is Wes Morgan and Danny Drinkwater amongst many others. It's plainly ridiculous.

It was a stick lazily used to beat Poch but no one can deny the progress we saw under him.
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So then back to the article, u can’t think of any managers in the last 10-15 years who have managed to turn a slump/massive inconsistency. Cheers

comment by BISS Bash BOSSED (U8366)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Ange In.
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Heres the simpleton not able to answer a question
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Yes with two or three more windows if he gets in good back up players on the RW, Left sided defender(s), and a back up GK. Also need to start planning for Son next season.

Really can't be bothered with another manager bounce and new system.

If Ange gets the reinforcements which are needed we will complete with the top sides on all fronts.

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
how much longer is ange contract?

assuming we aint relegation threatened id be inclined for him to see it out if its 3 years and he hasnt earned a new one
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2.5 years left. Enough time for him to be given players to boost the squad. If nothing changes this time next year, his position should be under threat.

"I know how I am going to play in the beginning because you have to start with a structure that you know and then you will adapt with the players that you have," said Amorim.

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Ange, are you taking notes?

I think comparisons to Ten Hag are actually unfair because in all his time at United, you couldn't really how he was trying to play. They played on the counter most of the time and really that's neither United nor his style. It was all very weird. At least Ange, for all his faults, has a very, very clear philosophy. We can definitely see that.
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fridgeboy that is what the media want you to believe. We were one of the highest pressing teams in history of the premierleague and gung ho. ten hag Man Utd were basically a high pressing machine. That is why we created so many big chances as we won the ball high many games and cut through teams with numbers. If our inept attack could finish, ten hag probably would be known as the best manager in the league now.

People used to bash ten hag for shots faced last season when teams were shooting like 25-30 yards out 90% of the time against us. It was actually funny teams would barely get a touch in our box but shoot 15 times from long range and ten hag was trolled for it.

At this point I’m so convinced you’re a wum I’m not even sure if it’s worth responding. ETH was a laughing stock mate. I’m gutted he’s gone because it was honestly so joyful watching you guys not only get beaten but even on the days you won, get routinely outplayed by substandard opposition. I watched United plenty of times. I don’t need the media to confirm what I saw with my own eyes. You were a shambles and if you can’t see that, you’re delusional.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 12 hours, 58 minutes ago
He’ll probably be sacked by Xmas, looking at your fixtures.
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I've said that before you!

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 6 hours, 18 minutes ago
how much longer is ange contract?

assuming we aint relegation threatened id be inclined for him to see it out if its 3 years and he hasnt earned a new one
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No. He's got no plan B and everyone in the league knows it.
We have a good squad that is capable of winning something, but .....not with this manager.
We need a new manager, but I don't know who.

comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
"I know how I am going to play in the beginning because you have to start with a structure that you know and then you will adapt with the players that you have," said Amorim.

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Ange, are you taking notes?
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"I ain't going to change, Mate"

fridgeboy (U1053)

It was a myth we were a shambles. We actually started to play quite well end of last season for last few months. We just conceded individual mistake goals, ridiculous penalties and deflected shots. It is like everything that could go wrong end of last season did go wrong. We beat Liverpool but ref gave them a wrong penalty. We beat Burnley but the ref gave them a wrong penalty and disallowed countless pens for us. The Chelsea game we conceded a ridiculous early pen. Even Wolves away we won we conceded a ridiculous pen. Our collapse against Coventry was a ridiculous deflected shot and a wrong penalty. Even Liverpool in the cup they scored the 2nd goal as a foul and 3rd goal huge deflection and first goal lucky rebound. I honestly thought ten hag couldn’t get more unluckier if he tried.😂

Also forgot to add the Fulham game we should have won by a few goals but somehow lose.😂

Ange is doing a lot right btw. Battered Man Utd this season. He seems to want to press high, just like ten hag and create a lot of big chances. Just need to get some luck. I would be shocked if Spurs don’t finish top 5 this season.

Not a chance can he turn it round.

We are now not beating the smaller teams, we do not beat the big teams so that spells the end.

Beat Villa, Man City and Man Utd this season. It won’t be a shock if you beat Man City again considering the form they are in.

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 6 minutes ago
Not a chance can he turn it round.

We are now not beating the smaller teams, we do not beat the big teams so that spells the end.
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Not a chance? Course he can. Stop being so dramatic 😂