Berba, Wolves look destined for relegation as well so might not be the most expensive. Though he has been linked with Liverpool and City in the past, so we could have some stiff competition for him.
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
We don’t need Branthwaite when we’ve got Kukonki coming through the youth team. God willing he makes it and saves us a fortune.
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Feck me! 6ft 5" at 16 years old.
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Mental, isn’t it?
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Absolutely crackers. And he could keep going for another couple of years. I have just watched a few videos of him and he has good technique for such a big CB.
Imagine having a 7ft cb.
He’s meant to be very highly rated by those in the know.
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the likes of Yoro, Mount, Shaw, Mainoo complete every training session this week in the managers first week of trying to get new ideas across before the game Sunday I wouldn’t be surprised to see at least a couple of them starting.
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That would be the right thing a good manager would do. I'm petty but that will decide a lot of my first opinions with him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Despite the fact that none of us will probably have any idea whether any of them are fit enough to play even 60 minutes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So better bringing in players he has not seen play his formation? coming from an international travelling and games?
Showing then that the best players available will play is a massive message to send to our big heads thinking they are unbenchable.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the likes of Yoro, Mount, Shaw, Mainoo complete every training session this week in the managers first week of trying to get new ideas across before the game Sunday I wouldn’t be surprised to see at least a couple of them starting.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be the right thing a good manager would do. I'm petty but that will decide a lot of my first opinions with him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Despite the fact that none of us will probably have any idea whether any of them are fit enough to play even 60 minutes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So better bringing in players he has not seen play his formation? coming from an international travelling and games?
Showing then that the best players available will play is a massive message to send to our big heads thinking they are unbenchable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
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You can come at me with your "facts" but nothing can convince me we shouldn't sack the baldless fraud.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can come at me with your "facts" but nothing can convince me we shouldn't sack the baldless fraud.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not ignoring your point. I'm agreeing with Rosso that your point is absurdly simplistic.
Is man management hugely important? - Yes.
Does being willing to make ruthless decisions about who gets into the XI have a role in the motivation of the players? - Yes.
Does the quality or success of Amorim's man management hinge on benching specific players and fielding specific players in his first ever match? - Obviously not.
Should the physical readiness of a footballer to participate in a senior competitive match also be a factor in selection? - Obviously.
Does a manager have a whole range of tools at his disposal, in addition to his starting XI selection, when it comes to man management and squad motivation? - Yes.
As for Solskjaer vs ETH, I've given every manager we've had the benefit of the doubt for longer than most people on this forum. I had reservations about Solskjaer's tactical sophistication but hoped he would develop on that side, and I opposed sacking him for a long time on the basis that I didn't have faith that Woodward's team had the ability to choose a coherent alternative. When he went it seemed like the right decision because the team was in freefall. I was enthusiastic about ETH because the in-depth profiles suggested he was a tactically cutting-edge coach who had shown a lot of innovation at Ajax, including rebuilding his team after all the stars left and coming up with new solutions to get the most from the different strengths and weaknesses of his new squad. I was encouraged by the improvement in his first season, including hints of new tactical ideas. Last season was a disaster and I think he ultimately failed in two key areas: 1) failing to commit to a footballing identity when feeling the pressure to be pragmatic in the short-term; 2) I think it turned out that while he could get a squad with a core of players who understood Dutch positional footballing principles to adapt to sophisticated new ideas, he wasn't very good at teaching a more diverse squad (a chunk of which had been coached to play Mourinho/Solskjaer reactive football) some of the basics of collective movement, coordinated pressing, automatisms, etc. By the end of his second season I thought he deserved to loose his job, but I always found thought you were childish in calling him arrogant, stupid, etc. because he didn't drop the specific player you thought he should drop, as if that would magically fix things.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not ignoring your point. I'm agreeing with Rosso that your point is absurdly simplistic.
Is man management hugely important? - Yes.
Does being willing to make ruthless decisions about who gets into the XI have a role in the motivation of the players? - Yes.
Does the quality or success of Amorim's man management hinge on benching specific players and fielding specific players in his first ever match? - Obviously not.
Should the physical readiness of a footballer to participate in a senior competitive match also be a factor in selection? - Obviously.
Does a manager have a whole range of tools at his disposal, in addition to his starting XI selection, when it comes to man management and squad motivation? - Yes.
As for Solskjaer vs ETH, I've given every manager we've had the benefit of the doubt for longer than most people on this forum. I had reservations about Solskjaer's tactical sophistication but hoped he would develop on that side, and I opposed sacking him for a long time on the basis that I didn't have faith that Woodward's team had the ability to choose a coherent alternative. When he went it seemed like the right decision because the team was in freefall. I was enthusiastic about ETH because the in-depth profiles suggested he was a tactically cutting-edge coach who had shown a lot of innovation at Ajax, including rebuilding his team after all the stars left and coming up with new solutions to get the most from the different strengths and weaknesses of his new squad. I was encouraged by the improvement in his first season, including hints of new tactical ideas. Last season was a disaster and I think he ultimately failed in two key areas: 1) failing to commit to a footballing identity when feeling the pressure to be pragmatic in the short-term; 2) I think it turned out that while he could get a squad with a core of players who understood Dutch positional footballing principles to adapt to sophisticated new ideas, he wasn't very good at teaching a more diverse squad (a chunk of which had been coached to play Mourinho/Solskjaer reactive football) some of the basics of collective movement, coordinated pressing, automatisms, etc. By the end of his second season I thought he deserved to loose his job, but I always found thought you were childish in calling him arrogant, stupid, etc. because he didn't drop the specific player you thought he should drop, as if that would magically fix things.
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You think I say rotation, man management, player maintenance is "dropping and benching players"? I fear you are simplifying the situation. Ole, for all his lack of tactical nous, was for me the only one who could have gotten us a title because he is simply the best man manager we've had since Fergie. He is a product of him.
We cannot buy a title anymore, we cannot use tactics to do it, Every young single manager starts with it these days. We need good man management, Playing the best players with good tactics will not win it. It will burn out in 2 years when other managers have video and experience against it.
Till then lets get excited about a formation which we may soon find out its something we are not ready for.
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posted on 19/11/24
Berba, Wolves look destined for relegation as well so might not be the most expensive. Though he has been linked with Liverpool and City in the past, so we could have some stiff competition for him.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
We don’t need Branthwaite when we’ve got Kukonki coming through the youth team. God willing he makes it and saves us a fortune.
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Feck me! 6ft 5" at 16 years old.
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Mental, isn’t it?
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Absolutely crackers. And he could keep going for another couple of years. I have just watched a few videos of him and he has good technique for such a big CB.
posted on 19/11/24
Imagine having a 7ft cb.
He’s meant to be very highly rated by those in the know.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the likes of Yoro, Mount, Shaw, Mainoo complete every training session this week in the managers first week of trying to get new ideas across before the game Sunday I wouldn’t be surprised to see at least a couple of them starting.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be the right thing a good manager would do. I'm petty but that will decide a lot of my first opinions with him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Despite the fact that none of us will probably have any idea whether any of them are fit enough to play even 60 minutes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So better bringing in players he has not seen play his formation? coming from an international travelling and games?
Showing then that the best players available will play is a massive message to send to our big heads thinking they are unbenchable.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 7 minutes ago
If the likes of Yoro, Mount, Shaw, Mainoo complete every training session this week in the managers first week of trying to get new ideas across before the game Sunday I wouldn’t be surprised to see at least a couple of them starting.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That would be the right thing a good manager would do. I'm petty but that will decide a lot of my first opinions with him.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Despite the fact that none of us will probably have any idea whether any of them are fit enough to play even 60 minutes?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So better bringing in players he has not seen play his formation? coming from an international travelling and games?
Showing then that the best players available will play is a massive message to send to our big heads thinking they are unbenchable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
posted on 19/11/24
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can come at me with your "facts" but nothing can convince me we shouldn't sack the baldless fraud.
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by It’s time for some Lancashire hotPote, Ruben (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also ignoring the fact that the likes of Martinez (likely in for Shaw) and Bruno (in for Mount) were released early by their countries to return to United training at the weekend, and Ugarte (in for Mainoo) has already played under Amorim in the same system.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can come at me with your "facts" but nothing can convince me we shouldn't sack the baldless fraud.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 19/11/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
posted on 20/11/24
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not ignoring your point. I'm agreeing with Rosso that your point is absurdly simplistic.
Is man management hugely important? - Yes.
Does being willing to make ruthless decisions about who gets into the XI have a role in the motivation of the players? - Yes.
Does the quality or success of Amorim's man management hinge on benching specific players and fielding specific players in his first ever match? - Obviously not.
Should the physical readiness of a footballer to participate in a senior competitive match also be a factor in selection? - Obviously.
Does a manager have a whole range of tools at his disposal, in addition to his starting XI selection, when it comes to man management and squad motivation? - Yes.
As for Solskjaer vs ETH, I've given every manager we've had the benefit of the doubt for longer than most people on this forum. I had reservations about Solskjaer's tactical sophistication but hoped he would develop on that side, and I opposed sacking him for a long time on the basis that I didn't have faith that Woodward's team had the ability to choose a coherent alternative. When he went it seemed like the right decision because the team was in freefall. I was enthusiastic about ETH because the in-depth profiles suggested he was a tactically cutting-edge coach who had shown a lot of innovation at Ajax, including rebuilding his team after all the stars left and coming up with new solutions to get the most from the different strengths and weaknesses of his new squad. I was encouraged by the improvement in his first season, including hints of new tactical ideas. Last season was a disaster and I think he ultimately failed in two key areas: 1) failing to commit to a footballing identity when feeling the pressure to be pragmatic in the short-term; 2) I think it turned out that while he could get a squad with a core of players who understood Dutch positional footballing principles to adapt to sophisticated new ideas, he wasn't very good at teaching a more diverse squad (a chunk of which had been coached to play Mourinho/Solskjaer reactive football) some of the basics of collective movement, coordinated pressing, automatisms, etc. By the end of his second season I thought he deserved to loose his job, but I always found thought you were childish in calling him arrogant, stupid, etc. because he didn't drop the specific player you thought he should drop, as if that would magically fix things.
posted on 21/11/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 18 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 hours, 45 minutes ago
Again, we have absolutely no idea - whatsoever -whether Yoro, Shaw or Malacia, none of whom has played a single minute of football this season, is capable of playing even close to 60 mins of a competitive match.
But you’re going to judge Amorim if he fails to pick them?
------------------------------------------------------
It's quite conceivable that medical advice for one or all of these players is that they aren't ready for the intensity of a PL match yet. What kind of message does a manager send about his competence if he fields a physically unprepared athlete in order to punitively bench players in his first competitive match?
But this is coming from the poster who already decided we shouldn't have appointed Amorim on the basis that we would otherwise have brought in Xabi Alonso in the summer and avoided having to adapt to a back three.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ignoring my point with distractions. Does not matter what Amorim does tactically if he does not win the mind games involved in getting the best from this team. You truly believed Ten Hag was firmly better than Ole based on his tactical acumen. Amorim succeeding, United succeeding will rely a lot more on his man management than any other thing we can imagine.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not ignoring your point. I'm agreeing with Rosso that your point is absurdly simplistic.
Is man management hugely important? - Yes.
Does being willing to make ruthless decisions about who gets into the XI have a role in the motivation of the players? - Yes.
Does the quality or success of Amorim's man management hinge on benching specific players and fielding specific players in his first ever match? - Obviously not.
Should the physical readiness of a footballer to participate in a senior competitive match also be a factor in selection? - Obviously.
Does a manager have a whole range of tools at his disposal, in addition to his starting XI selection, when it comes to man management and squad motivation? - Yes.
As for Solskjaer vs ETH, I've given every manager we've had the benefit of the doubt for longer than most people on this forum. I had reservations about Solskjaer's tactical sophistication but hoped he would develop on that side, and I opposed sacking him for a long time on the basis that I didn't have faith that Woodward's team had the ability to choose a coherent alternative. When he went it seemed like the right decision because the team was in freefall. I was enthusiastic about ETH because the in-depth profiles suggested he was a tactically cutting-edge coach who had shown a lot of innovation at Ajax, including rebuilding his team after all the stars left and coming up with new solutions to get the most from the different strengths and weaknesses of his new squad. I was encouraged by the improvement in his first season, including hints of new tactical ideas. Last season was a disaster and I think he ultimately failed in two key areas: 1) failing to commit to a footballing identity when feeling the pressure to be pragmatic in the short-term; 2) I think it turned out that while he could get a squad with a core of players who understood Dutch positional footballing principles to adapt to sophisticated new ideas, he wasn't very good at teaching a more diverse squad (a chunk of which had been coached to play Mourinho/Solskjaer reactive football) some of the basics of collective movement, coordinated pressing, automatisms, etc. By the end of his second season I thought he deserved to loose his job, but I always found thought you were childish in calling him arrogant, stupid, etc. because he didn't drop the specific player you thought he should drop, as if that would magically fix things.
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You think I say rotation, man management, player maintenance is "dropping and benching players"? I fear you are simplifying the situation. Ole, for all his lack of tactical nous, was for me the only one who could have gotten us a title because he is simply the best man manager we've had since Fergie. He is a product of him.
We cannot buy a title anymore, we cannot use tactics to do it, Every young single manager starts with it these days. We need good man management, Playing the best players with good tactics will not win it. It will burn out in 2 years when other managers have video and experience against it.
Till then lets get excited about a formation which we may soon find out its something we are not ready for.
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