posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 30 minutes ago
For Rashford to leave he's going to have to take a monumental pay drop to make that happen. Could happen but it's not too likely is it? Nobody in PL is going to sign him I don't think so what are his options?
I too feel like it might be time for a new start for him but I just don't see an obvious escape route sadly.
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PSG seems the obvious choice for me.
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Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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Why do PSG do a lot of things?
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Had a good game last night and potentially is the kind of striker that will suit Amorim. Still has a lot to improve in his game, movement not the best, finishing good but not top notch, spends too much time wrestling with opponents but he is still only 21. Hopefully Amorim can help his development and Hojlund seems like a good lad willing to put the work in. He must look at Gyökeres and see how well he’s developed under Amorim.
It was still very naive for the club to put so much pressure on someone so young to lead the line but here we are and hopefully we get the best out of him and he reaches his full potential.
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It didn't help that the more senior players were injured and playing poorly.
Not really sure what you are saying about his finishing TBH. His conversion rate is right up there with the best since he joined United. Better than all the top 7 scorers in the PL last season other than Isak. We just don't create enouch chanced for him.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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And if I remember rightly, he was not that highly rated in the Academy when he broke through. certainly not at the levels James Wilson and Welbeck were.
I think it was either yourself or TRS who did an article on it at the time LVG put him in the first team.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
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It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever to say you don't believe that he will be good enough to be our main striker when he is still only 21. Especially when you've held up Kane as a player that he won't ever be as good as, even though the latter was struggling to perform at a lower level at the same age. You wouldn't have given Kane a hope back in 2013.
Anyway, we will see how he develops and hopefully by the end of the season he has changed your mind.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
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It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever to say you don't believe that he will be good enough to be our main striker when he is still only 21. Especially when you've held up Kane as a player that he won't ever be as good as, even though the latter was struggling to perform at a lower level at the same age. You wouldn't have given Kane a hope back in 2013.
Anyway, we will see how he develops and hopefully by the end of the season he has changed your mind.
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If I'd written him off then I'd want him sold. I don't want that. I want him to be very much a part of the picture. Just think if a top striker becomes available we should move for them and have Hojlund as the back up who will still get a lot of game time.
Did we write off Solskjaer and Sherringham because they didn't start every game? Of course not. They massively contributed to the cause.
I think you got over excited with you defence and Hojlund and didn't think about what I was saying and I still don't think you get it tbh.
Antony is a player I have written off and want sold. Hojlund is a player I'd definitely like to keep but still believe we get a better option as the main guy.
Not sure how much clearer I can make that for you.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Questioning your opinion that he will never be good enough to be our first choice striker for an extended period isn't the same as believing we shouldn't upgrade if an obviously better player becomes available to us. You could name almost any star player in our past who we didn't need to replace, but who we might have upgraded given the opportunity. If I were ultra-ruthless, I'd consider replacing Cantona with Baggio in 1993, but that doesn't mean I think Eric wasn't good enough.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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It is interesting that you mention Haaland, as he has also been accused of not being a good all round footballer. A lot of the flaws that you have highlighted in Hojlund's game have been levelled at Haaland (with the exception of heading). But the popular opinion seems to be that you can forgive all of that because he is such a good finisher.
And yet if you look at their stats in the PL, Hojlund actually has a better conversion rate than Haaland in the PL. And that includes the 15 penalties that Haaland has scored.
I am not saying for one second that he is as good as Haaland. But if you stick him in the City team, Hojlund scores a lot of goals.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
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It is though.
Your position was that Rasmus won't be as good as Kane. No problem with that view in and of itself, but we're wondering how you arrived at that conclusion given that Rasmus is ahead of Kane by the same age.
Opinions are not valid simply because they're held. Some opinions are stupid.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
There was an issue yesterday at Old Trafford just before the KO when MUFC closed the gates at the Scoreboard End to arriving United fans. Many missed the opening goal and there were some angry complaints made to the stewards. This was caused by the huge away support that was at the stadium. One of the biggest seen at OT.... as Bodo Glint fans were found to be in the United section causing security concerns. United had doubled Bodos allocation after the initial away tickets sold out in 15 mins. There were actually over 12,000 applications for tickets from Norway! They were able to do this as sales to United fans were very slow and United were desparate to fill the ground. Apparently lot of them support both United and/or Bodo Glimt. Im sure United wont have heard the last of this.
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I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
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If the choices are three players the head coach wants for roles we’re barely able to fill at the moment, or spaffing €100m on Gyokeres, I’ll take the three players every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Again, we posted a massive loss last season, are on track to do the same again this season unless miracles are performed, and are going to need five or six players for the first team squad in the summer.
Eriksen, Lindelof and Maguire’s contracts are up, so no fees there. Casemiro will be 33 years old and will have one more year, so a nominal fee there. We may recoup some money from sales (Rashford, Sancho, Dalot?), but we’re going to need to fill gaps left in CM and at CB first (we’re gonna need six players capable of playing at CB), and then we’re going to need at least one wingback and ten.
We’ll be lucky to be able to fill the gaping holes in the squad with potential, let alone get our hands on a ready made top draw nine, in what is very, very much a seller’s market.
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I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
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I've not really seen him play so can't comment on his ability. I would however be wary of spending so much on a player that hasnt performed in a top league at 26 and who has only scored against a handful of quality teams.
Especially when you consider the fact that his best spell as a player has come under the manager that we now have. And even more so when you consider that we have a promising young striker who fits that manager's preferred profile and who is on a higher trajectory at the same age.
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Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
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Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
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Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
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Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
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I noticed that the other day. He certainly looks to have lost a bit of pace. I just don't think he is motivated by football anymore. Same with Sancho. And I think we saw the same with Pogba too.
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Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
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I noticed that the other day. He certainly looks to have lost a bit of pace. I just don't think he is motivated by football anymore. Same with Sancho. And I think we saw the same with Pogba too.
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Looks a bit like that. We have seen players go through prolonged dips where we assume they are in physical decline and/or no longer have the hunger, and often they are. Theo Walcott peaked early, while as far as I know retaining motivation and professionalism. Dele Alli is a very stark case of losing the drive. There are a few examples of players who come back from the dip, either gloriously or you see that a relatively small decline was exacerbated by not being deployed effectively. I'm not saying there's a huge chance this will happen with Rashford, but it would be great if in Amorim he finally found the manager who gave him the man management he needs and understands how to get the most out of his assets within his footballing system.
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I wouldn't be in any hurry to upgrade on Hojlund. There are bigger issues to address player wise even in attack and I think the recruitment team will recognise that and will initially task Amorim with improving him instead of spending big on a replacement/upgrade at the first opportunity and anyway I'd be keen to see Hojlund spearheading a team that actually functions from back to front with and without the ball.
He has plenty of time to work on polishing certain parts of his game and I'm sure Amorim could find ways to work around some of his flaws too.
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I wouldn't be in any hurry to upgrade on Hojlund. There are bigger issues to address player wise even in attack and I think the recruitment team will recognise that and will initially task Amorim with improving him instead of spending big on a replacement/upgrade at the first opportunity and anyway I'd be keen to see Hojlund spearheading a team that actually functions from back to front with and without the ball.
He has plenty of time to work on polishing certain parts of his game and I'm sure Amorim could find ways to work around some of his flaws too.
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There's always the assumption that since someone is good elsewhere he will be definitely better with us. Even for Gyokeres, the step up in the league will shock him. A bird in hand.
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posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
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Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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For Rashford to leave he's going to have to take a monumental pay drop to make that happen. Could happen but it's not too likely is it? Nobody in PL is going to sign him I don't think so what are his options?
I too feel like it might be time for a new start for him but I just don't see an obvious escape route sadly.
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PSG seems the obvious choice for me.
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Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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Why do PSG do a lot of things?
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Had a good game last night and potentially is the kind of striker that will suit Amorim. Still has a lot to improve in his game, movement not the best, finishing good but not top notch, spends too much time wrestling with opponents but he is still only 21. Hopefully Amorim can help his development and Hojlund seems like a good lad willing to put the work in. He must look at Gyökeres and see how well he’s developed under Amorim.
It was still very naive for the club to put so much pressure on someone so young to lead the line but here we are and hopefully we get the best out of him and he reaches his full potential.
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It didn't help that the more senior players were injured and playing poorly.
Not really sure what you are saying about his finishing TBH. His conversion rate is right up there with the best since he joined United. Better than all the top 7 scorers in the PL last season other than Isak. We just don't create enouch chanced for him.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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And if I remember rightly, he was not that highly rated in the Academy when he broke through. certainly not at the levels James Wilson and Welbeck were.
I think it was either yourself or TRS who did an article on it at the time LVG put him in the first team.
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comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
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Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
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It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever to say you don't believe that he will be good enough to be our main striker when he is still only 21. Especially when you've held up Kane as a player that he won't ever be as good as, even though the latter was struggling to perform at a lower level at the same age. You wouldn't have given Kane a hope back in 2013.
Anyway, we will see how he develops and hopefully by the end of the season he has changed your mind.
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Hojlund comments last night:
“I think the new system and new ideas are suiting my style of play,” said Hojlund. “I still try to do the same, but obviously we play a different sort of football and system now.
“I've played this sort of football, I don't say it is the same, but a 3-4-3, I used to play that at Atlanta a little bit the same. I just try to do my job every time I step on the pitch. I think I showed last season, with being top scorer for the team, that I can score goals.
“I'm still very young, but obviously I would like to take the responsibility and that's why I also took the No.9 shirt this year, because I think I want to take it to the next level and the next step. But yeah, I still have a lot to grow. I'm still not the finished article. I'm only 21.
“I think I've improved on sort of holding and getting my back to the goal play, and I think it comes with age. Last year I had to learn the Premier League and these sorts of things. I think I get better with these sort of things every time I step foot on the pitch.”
Asked if he had a goal target in mind this term, after bagging 16 last season, Hojlund said: “No, I just try to improve every day and then score as many goals as possible when I play.”
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. Sounds like a good lad and he's got his head screwed on. 👍
He will improve too of course he will. Would be difficult really for him not to. I just don't see that we've got a Harry Kane, Lewandowski, Benzema etc on our hands
here. Don't think he's going to be at that level. Right now though his level is the best we have.
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Harry Kane was struggling on loan at Leicester at the same age as Hojlund made his move to United.
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We should send him on loan to Leicester then. 😂
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You'd definitely write him off then. You're writing him off now, even though he's done better for United than Kane did in the Championship for Leicester at the same age.
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Missed the point there 🙃
Not writing him off mate. I said he's a decent player which he is. I also said he's our best current number 9 which again is true.
I just don't think he's going to be the long term solution from what I have seen and I think the first chance Amorim gets he will sign a top striker.
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Talk about a lack of patience. Jesus. He is 21, is a fully fledged international. Kane wasn't anywhere near that level at the same age. Yet you are holding up Kane as an example of a player that he can't be as good as.
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You're confusing writing someone off with them not being top drawer. That's the issue here Elvis. There's a difference and you don't seem to be grasping that.
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He has been signed for £72m to be our main striker. You are saying that you don't think he is ever going to be good enough to do that. Of course you are writing him off.
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Antony was signed for even more at 85m to be our right winger. What's your point?
Right now I'd start Hojlund every week like you. Long term I think we can do better.
Not quite sure what's so hard about any of this for you? It's not meant to be a riddle.
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It just doesn't make sense to me whatsoever to say you don't believe that he will be good enough to be our main striker when he is still only 21. Especially when you've held up Kane as a player that he won't ever be as good as, even though the latter was struggling to perform at a lower level at the same age. You wouldn't have given Kane a hope back in 2013.
Anyway, we will see how he develops and hopefully by the end of the season he has changed your mind.
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If I'd written him off then I'd want him sold. I don't want that. I want him to be very much a part of the picture. Just think if a top striker becomes available we should move for them and have Hojlund as the back up who will still get a lot of game time.
Did we write off Solskjaer and Sherringham because they didn't start every game? Of course not. They massively contributed to the cause.
I think you got over excited with you defence and Hojlund and didn't think about what I was saying and I still don't think you get it tbh.
Antony is a player I have written off and want sold. Hojlund is a player I'd definitely like to keep but still believe we get a better option as the main guy.
Not sure how much clearer I can make that for you.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 5 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Questioning your opinion that he will never be good enough to be our first choice striker for an extended period isn't the same as believing we shouldn't upgrade if an obviously better player becomes available to us. You could name almost any star player in our past who we didn't need to replace, but who we might have upgraded given the opportunity. If I were ultra-ruthless, I'd consider replacing Cantona with Baggio in 1993, but that doesn't mean I think Eric wasn't good enough.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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It is interesting that you mention Haaland, as he has also been accused of not being a good all round footballer. A lot of the flaws that you have highlighted in Hojlund's game have been levelled at Haaland (with the exception of heading). But the popular opinion seems to be that you can forgive all of that because he is such a good finisher.
And yet if you look at their stats in the PL, Hojlund actually has a better conversion rate than Haaland in the PL. And that includes the 15 penalties that Haaland has scored.
I am not saying for one second that he is as good as Haaland. But if you stick him in the City team, Hojlund scores a lot of goals.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
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It is though.
Your position was that Rasmus won't be as good as Kane. No problem with that view in and of itself, but we're wondering how you arrived at that conclusion given that Rasmus is ahead of Kane by the same age.
Opinions are not valid simply because they're held. Some opinions are stupid.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
There was an issue yesterday at Old Trafford just before the KO when MUFC closed the gates at the Scoreboard End to arriving United fans. Many missed the opening goal and there were some angry complaints made to the stewards. This was caused by the huge away support that was at the stadium. One of the biggest seen at OT.... as Bodo Glint fans were found to be in the United section causing security concerns. United had doubled Bodos allocation after the initial away tickets sold out in 15 mins. There were actually over 12,000 applications for tickets from Norway! They were able to do this as sales to United fans were very slow and United were desparate to fill the ground. Apparently lot of them support both United and/or Bodo Glimt. Im sure United wont have heard the last of this.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
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If the choices are three players the head coach wants for roles we’re barely able to fill at the moment, or spaffing €100m on Gyokeres, I’ll take the three players every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Again, we posted a massive loss last season, are on track to do the same again this season unless miracles are performed, and are going to need five or six players for the first team squad in the summer.
Eriksen, Lindelof and Maguire’s contracts are up, so no fees there. Casemiro will be 33 years old and will have one more year, so a nominal fee there. We may recoup some money from sales (Rashford, Sancho, Dalot?), but we’re going to need to fill gaps left in CM and at CB first (we’re gonna need six players capable of playing at CB), and then we’re going to need at least one wingback and ten.
We’ll be lucky to be able to fill the gaping holes in the squad with potential, let alone get our hands on a ready made top draw nine, in what is very, very much a seller’s market.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 14 minutes ago
I'd keep Hojlund as an able deputy. That isn't quite writing him off as just being a bit more realistic and believing we can do better in the longer term when the right player becomes available.
Did City settle for what they had when Haaland became available? Of course not. They upgraded and got the best one they could find.
Elvis....Are you suggesting that if another striker becomes available who is in the Haaland category we should stay away? I certainly hope you're not.
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Different circumstances. City needed to replace Aguero so went and got Haaland. Haaland is a rare player in that he's posting insane numbers at such a young age. Most players, including some of the very best strikers we're seen in the PL (Henry, Ruud etc) were nowhere near Haaland at the same age.
So having spent big on a player who will be at his best in a few seasons time, it would make little strategic sense to go out and make a big money CF signing. What would make more sense would be a mid-priced option who is a bit older and more developed all round to come in and compete with Hojlund.
As you keep failing to acknowledge in your responses to Elvis, Rasmus is doing more at the same age at a bigger club than Kane was doing in the Championship. This doesn't mean Rasmus is guaranteed to reach Kane levels, but if you're going to use Kane as a bench mark then your line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense (as usual).
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This guy gets it.
I don't have a problem with your opinion that he won't be good enough to be our main striker. Just don't don't understand your logic. If you can call it that.
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That's why we all have opinions and they are different at times.
Personally don't feel like a 21 year old who has a lot to learn still should be the guy we hang our hat on. You clearly do and that's fine.
Don't forget one second think just because we have different opinions your 'logic' is any more sound?
Retaining Hojlund but adding a world class striker makes us better surely? To me it does anyway and I'm convinced that's what will happen at some point when Amorim gets his funds.
Antony needs binning and even though it's still early days I think Zirkzee probably does too as he doesn't look anywhere near up to the level required.
What you going to say if we sign Gyokeres or someone like that? Mistake?
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I've not really seen him play so can't comment on his ability. I would however be wary of spending so much on a player that hasnt performed in a top league at 26 and who has only scored against a handful of quality teams.
Especially when you consider the fact that his best spell as a player has come under the manager that we now have. And even more so when you consider that we have a promising young striker who fits that manager's preferred profile and who is on a higher trajectory at the same age.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
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Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Why would PSG want him on those wages? He’s not an upgrade on Barcola.
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PSG obviously would not be paying him those wages, would they.
If Rashers gets frozen out and I think he will, my guess is he will be quite content to take a pay cut for game time somewhere else.
Very few players stay at a club just to take the wage where they know they will not get game time.
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Yep. Said it before Amorim arrived in Manchester, and nothing has happened to change my mind until now: sadly, I think this will be Rashford’s last season at the club.
The right time for player and club to part, IMO. Would love to see him back at United in some capacity one day, but I think his career is best served right now by finding a new home.
Whatever happens, he’s been 20 years a red, and will go down as one of our very finest Academy graduates of the era.
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I agree. It is a shame how things have panned out, but I do think he needs a move.
I'd love for him to bounce back under Amorim, but I don't see him being the kind of striker that Amorim needs and I don't think he's intelligent enough for the no.9 spot.
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Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
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I noticed that the other day. He certainly looks to have lost a bit of pace. I just don't think he is motivated by football anymore. Same with Sancho. And I think we saw the same with Pogba too.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
Doesn't look like he has the legs anymore either which is a bigger problem.
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I noticed that the other day. He certainly looks to have lost a bit of pace. I just don't think he is motivated by football anymore. Same with Sancho. And I think we saw the same with Pogba too.
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Looks a bit like that. We have seen players go through prolonged dips where we assume they are in physical decline and/or no longer have the hunger, and often they are. Theo Walcott peaked early, while as far as I know retaining motivation and professionalism. Dele Alli is a very stark case of losing the drive. There are a few examples of players who come back from the dip, either gloriously or you see that a relatively small decline was exacerbated by not being deployed effectively. I'm not saying there's a huge chance this will happen with Rashford, but it would be great if in Amorim he finally found the manager who gave him the man management he needs and understands how to get the most out of his assets within his footballing system.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
I wouldn't be in any hurry to upgrade on Hojlund. There are bigger issues to address player wise even in attack and I think the recruitment team will recognise that and will initially task Amorim with improving him instead of spending big on a replacement/upgrade at the first opportunity and anyway I'd be keen to see Hojlund spearheading a team that actually functions from back to front with and without the ball.
He has plenty of time to work on polishing certain parts of his game and I'm sure Amorim could find ways to work around some of his flaws too.
posted 2 weeks, 5 days ago
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I wouldn't be in any hurry to upgrade on Hojlund. There are bigger issues to address player wise even in attack and I think the recruitment team will recognise that and will initially task Amorim with improving him instead of spending big on a replacement/upgrade at the first opportunity and anyway I'd be keen to see Hojlund spearheading a team that actually functions from back to front with and without the ball.
He has plenty of time to work on polishing certain parts of his game and I'm sure Amorim could find ways to work around some of his flaws too.
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There's always the assumption that since someone is good elsewhere he will be definitely better with us. Even for Gyokeres, the step up in the league will shock him. A bird in hand.
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