comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
re, but that the maths says the odds are weighed against us ever receiving information from said life (or vice versa

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There’s surely no way of odds being relevant in this though. Alien life could exist and be a lesser version of us or on the other side of the spectrum alien life could already be here in the form of the 4th or 5th dimension and our understanding of them is like what algebra is to a dog.

Aliens could have the technology to visit us in the blink of an eye if they so wished and I don’t think anyone could quantify that possibility in the form of odds.
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As I’ve said above, there are mathematical and theoretical physicists and astrobiologists who have spent their careers working on these kind of problems. They aren’t cig packet calculations. They’re incredibly complex and difficult, and yes, there are many variables at play which are difficult to quantify; but as with, for example, modelling the weather or the evolution of viruses, all we can do is the best we can do.

I’d recommend reading up on those few principles and theorems I mentioned to Mamba above, because without having to get into the mathematical details, they’re interesting ideas and calculations.

“in the form of the 4th or 5th dimension”

Can you explain what you mean by that?
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a61876953/fourth-dimension-aliens/

This explains it better than me 😹
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Employing miserable git mode again, the concept of a 4D space (of this particular variety, at least) is highly theoretical, and isn’t really based on any mathematical need or observations. I.e. a fun thought experiment [bah humbug].

There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?

Trying to wrap the head around the shape of a three (spacial) dimensional spacetime under general relativity is enough to drive even professional physicists insane. Three is quite enough.

If you’re interested in that kind of stuff Robb, I’d have a go at some of the fun consequences of GR, as worked through primarily by Feynman. Given the primary constraint of the sparseness of matter and energy in our universe, if we’re ever going to encounter alien life, it might well come across us having emerged from a White Hole (prepare to give yourself a wonderful, mind-expanding headache )

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?
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Just mentioned White Holes above - check them out

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Trying to wrap the head around the shape of a three (spacial) dimensional spacetime under general relativity is enough to drive even professional physicists insane. Three is quite enough.

If you’re interested in that kind of stuff Robb, I’d have a go at some of the fun consequences of GR, as worked through primarily by Feynman. Given the primary constraint of the sparseness of matter and energy in our universe, if we’re ever going to encounter alien life, it might well come across us having emerged from a White Hole (prepare to give yourself a wonderful, mind-expanding headache)
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👍 were in a heatwave here in Oz and right now my mind is akin to Forrest Gump meets Jack Nicholson at the end of One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest so will wait till it cools down

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?
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Just mentioned White Holes above - check them out
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Just Googled them on the work computer. Wished I hadn't...

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?
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Just mentioned White Holes above - check them out
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Just Googled them on the work computer. Wished I hadn't...
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expecting something NASA related...

...turns out it was just NSFW related....

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Trying to wrap the head around the shape of a three (spacial) dimensional spacetime under general relativity is enough to drive even professional physicists insane. Three is quite enough.

If you’re interested in that kind of stuff Robb, I’d have a go at some of the fun consequences of GR, as worked through primarily by Feynman. Given the primary constraint of the sparseness of matter and energy in our universe, if we’re ever going to encounter alien life, it might well come across us having emerged from a White Hole (prepare to give yourself a wonderful, mind-expanding headache)
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👍 were in a heatwave here in Oz and right now my mind is akin to Forrest Gump meets Jack Nicholson at the end of One Flew over the Cuckoos Nest so will wait till it cools down
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?
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Just mentioned White Holes above - check them out
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Just Googled them on the work computer. Wished I hadn't...
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 4 seconds ago
There are certainly ways for "aliens" to visit us... Multiverse, Simulation theory, even our own current physics allows it if the "alien" is actually some form of AI that doesn't have to concern itself with a million years passing. I also think wormholes are a potential with our current knowledge, right?
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Just mentioned White Holes above - check them out
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Just Googled them on the work computer. Wished I hadn't...
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Wait till you google brown holes!

Anyone here read the 'The Remembrance of Earth's Past' trilogy?

Here’s a good vid on White Holes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WuaSoTyqrTA&pp=ygULV2hpdGUgaG9sZXM%3D

Brian Greene is the don on this kind of shiiiit.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
“Non-zero means having a negative or positive value, and since the chance of intelligent life elsewhere cannot be a negative value your statement that "the chance that there’s intelligent life elsewhere in our universe is non-zero" is technically incorrect.”

Have a word with yourself, you pedantic (and incorrect, note the operator ‘or’) idiot.
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BOOM!

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago

Having said that, the odds of a species surviving planetary and cosmic cataclysms long enough to reach our current stage of evolution do seem impossibly small.
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If you look at what we've done in a short space of time, and if you smell what we are currently cooking, the ability to survive or escape planetary and cosmic cataclysms could be gained within hundreds or thousands of years which is a very very short time. Negligible.

its probobubbly sumbthin too do with TimeCube

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
I'm usually a level headed person
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They say that about Maguire

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
“Also, your initial point was about intelligent life existing.”

Also, no, it wasn’t. My initial point was that there’s a (highly unquantifiable) non-zero chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere, but that the maths says the odds are weighed against us ever receiving information from said life (or vice versa).

This is my formal education mate. I’m not making this stuff up. I studied theoretical physics with cosmology, then went back to uni to do a masters in philosophy of science, specialising in physics. It’s the one thing I actually know anything about
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I've studied other things which you haven't, but I wouldn't dismiss your views on those things because I've studied them and you haven't.

Sometimes wisdom or theories can come from outside your sphere.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago

Trying to wrap the head around the shape of a three (spacial) dimensional spacetime under general relativity is enough to drive even professional physicists insane. Three is quite enough.
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What of we had average IQ of 1000? How would that impact our understanding of everything?

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Anyone here read the 'The Remembrance of Earth's Past' trilogy?
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No, but I watched 3 body problem.

comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 11 minutes ago
Anyone here read the 'The Remembrance of Earth's Past' trilogy?
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No, but I watched 3 body problem.
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no, butt i watch Bluey

Fack Bluey

comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
“Also, your initial point was about intelligent life existing.”

Also, no, it wasn’t. My initial point was that there’s a (highly unquantifiable) non-zero chance that intelligent life exists elsewhere, but that the maths says the odds are weighed against us ever receiving information from said life (or vice versa).

This is my formal education mate. I’m not making this stuff up. I studied theoretical physics with cosmology, then went back to uni to do a masters in philosophy of science, specialising in physics. It’s the one thing I actually know anything about
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I've studied other things which you haven't, but I wouldn't dismiss your views on those things because I've studied them and you haven't.

Sometimes wisdom or theories can come from outside your sphere.
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These aren't my ideas; I'm just relaying where the world's leading minds in this particular (and particularly complex) area of science and maths have arrived at over the last 50 years or so.

I know we're all SiCk aNd TiReD oF ExpErTs, but this isn't really an area where laypeople can Do ThEiR OwN ReSeArCh and contribute an awful lot of value, sadly, fun as it is for all of us to speculate.

It seems you're only come back is to say experts agree, without actually countering even one of the points actually made.

Perhaps tell us on what grounds do experts disagree with the points made?

comment by Mamba - I filter right back (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
It seems you're only come back is to say experts agree, without actually countering even one of the points actually made.

Perhaps tell us on what grounds do experts disagree with the points made?
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Well the main points are that the universe is unimaginably huge and unimaginably sparse, leaving distances between significant mass clusters so large that to travel between them would require unimaginably long periods of time or faster than light travel, which is ruled out by the very well understood, universal and immutable laws of physics.

If you have specific qs or ideas which you think might circumvent the above, whack them down in a list and I'll do my best to answer them later on

lores of physics r knot imutabubble

so-call scientists change there mines on stuff all the thyme as they make up a new theory that is proove rong laterer