comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
Tbf I meant shiiiiiiite that play like him, as he’s obviously a crock.

I think we’ve been relying too much on him and he’s really not at the required level for us to be doing that. But I just hope his profile as a player doesn’t mean he’ll fall out of favour at the club.
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Bring back the lazy No 10s!

There should always be room in a team for a skilful player or two.
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I mean, we have to have skilful players, of course.

But Amorim just isn’t going to accept skilful players who aren’t also quick, agile, relentless scurriers. In the back three, maybe. But the seven in front of them are going to need to demonstrate somewhere between Ugarte and Mount levels of physical output.

Gyokeres, Trincão, Pote, Catamo, Bragança, Harder, Nuno… look at any given one of Sporting’s midfielders or attackers. They work their absolute bollox off all game, every week. Playing Sporting is like fighting a tornado.

I don’t think he’ll accept anything less - and he shouldn’t expect anything less - from players paid ten times as much.
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true but guys like Trincao were not known for their workrate and pressing thats something Amorim installed in a lot of they players. Most players can run its about how and when they press as a collective unit that then is amplified by others in the team doing the same.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
Tbf I meant shiiiiiiite that play like him, as he’s obviously a crock.

I think we’ve been relying too much on him and he’s really not at the required level for us to be doing that. But I just hope his profile as a player doesn’t mean he’ll fall out of favour at the club.
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Bring back the lazy No 10s!

There should always be room in a team for a skilful player or two.
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And 442. Mourinho, Pep and Klopp have ruined football.

Rosso - All players should work hard of course. I'm not disputing that. I'm also not averse to the maverick playmaker who lets everyone else do the running for them but has a major impact on the game.

Dazza - I know football has moved on but imagine the likes of Le Tissier etc now playing!

Let Tiss was probably be playing in League One.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rosso - All players should work hard of course. I'm not disputing that. I'm also not averse to the maverick playmaker who lets everyone else do the running for them but has a major impact on the game.

Dazza - I know football has moved on but imagine the likes of Le Tissier etc now playing!
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Mbappe presses as much as Le Tissier did !

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Rosso - All players should work hard of course. I'm not disputing that. I'm also not averse to the maverick playmaker who lets everyone else do the running for them but has a major impact on the game.

Dazza - I know football has moved on but imagine the likes of Le Tissier etc now playing!
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Mbappe presses as much as Le Tissier did !
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Indeed and we've seen at times how this can affect the teams he's in.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 8 hours, 44 minutes ago
Tbf I meant shiiiiiiite that play like him, as he’s obviously a crock.

I think we’ve been relying too much on him and he’s really not at the required level for us to be doing that. But I just hope his profile as a player doesn’t mean he’ll fall out of favour at the club.
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Bring back the lazy No 10s!

There should always be room in a team for a skilful player or two.
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I mean, we have to have skilful players, of course.

But Amorim just isn’t going to accept skilful players who aren’t also quick, agile, relentless scurriers. In the back three, maybe. But the seven in front of them are going to need to demonstrate somewhere between Ugarte and Mount levels of physical output.

Gyokeres, Trincão, Pote, Catamo, Bragança, Harder, Nuno… look at any given one of Sporting’s midfielders or attackers. They work their absolute bollox off all game, every week. Playing Sporting is like fighting a tornado.

I don’t think he’ll accept anything less - and he shouldn’t expect anything less - from players paid ten times as much.
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true but guys like Trincao were not known for their workrate and pressing thats something Amorim installed in a lot of they players. Most players can run its about how and when they press as a collective unit that then is amplified by others in the team doing the same.
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Fair. But these players are going to have to understand that, or he’ll bin them off.

Tbf, Rangnick told us that this group of players are a lazy bunch of caaaants. ETH had them run close to a half marathon in the week after we were out-run by the same distance by Bournemouth (I think?) in his first month in charge.

Then what happens in Amorim’s very first game - the players’ first chance to impress him? We’re out-run by Ipswich by facking 10km. Then the last month has just been Amorim talking about running over and over again. He’s barely said anything else

I’ve loved our players like a little kid since I was a little kid and Big Ron was in charge. I legit hate this squad.

Rosso. I've loved many United teams. Some of them probably not as talented as this one even. They pretty much always had me on the edge of my seat though even if not playing well.

I'm only jesting with the lazy No10. I just don't want a team of robots either. It may be nostalgia but I look back fondly on those Champions League games of the late 90s where there'd be incidents galore and balls being delivered into the area with plenty in there to attack them.

The current squad, at present, doesn't even come up to the minimum standard in terms of working hard which means we don't get these kind of moments and excitement as much.

I do see green shoots though and I'm looking forward to seeing what Amorim can do when he gets at least 2/3 more players to fit his profile.

Athletic robots have ruined football.

Nobody wants robots. But it breaks my brain when we have to watch supremely talented footballers earning tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds per week jogging around the place, reporting for training overweight, or turning up late.

Rooney, for all of his smoking and drinking and his natural build, would turn up twice a week on match days and facking burst the veins in his temples. He’d run until his legs would fall off. He’d chase back 70m to go through the back of a player if he had to. But that should be the required level for any United player (or any PL player).

We have one player in our squad with close to that much talent *and* commitment. One. Maybe Amad will become a second. Maybe Mazraoui isn’t all that far away.

We had at another points in time a midfield with Keane, Beckham, Scholes and Giggs. Any one of those players could dominate a PL game against any given opposition but would equally run a marathon or go to facking war for his teammates

*another point

Whilst I’m good and riled up one thing that really pesses me off about criticisms of Bruno, is that we do actually have one player in the squad with that level of commitment and with the natural ability and flair.

He’ll run 20% further in any given match than the lazy caants around him, he’ll put in more challenges than our CMs combined in a game, but then people moan to high heaven when he actually expresses himself on the ball (largely to the great benefit of of our viewership and the bottom line) but gives it away a little more often.

(In case it isn’t clear, I also hate our fans )

Nobody wants robots.
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Apart from Liverpool, City and every ‘modern/progressive’ coach.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nobody wants robots.
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Apart from Liverpool, City and every ‘modern/progressive’ coach.
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Yeah, I meant fans-wise. (I hate coaches as well. Our fans, opposition fans, our players, and modern coaches in general. And owners. Probably a lot of the auxiliary staff too. Particularly our medics and physios.)

I’m sure City fans are delighted with all of those trophies, and we’ve seen decent incarnations of Pepball, but yeah, it’s often terrible to watch. I’m sure they aren’t enjoying the spectacle at the moment.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 45 minutes ago

he’ll put in more challenges than our CMs combined in a game
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i mean, this is closer to a lie than enthusiastic hyperbole isn't it?

per fbref, if you rank our players by attempted challenges made per 90 mins this season, you get our midfielders thus:

casemiro 4.22
ugarte 3.18
mount 2.59
fernandes 2.42
mainoo 2.31
eriksen 1.79

https://fbref.com/en/squads/19538871/Manchester-United-Stats

so closer to the bottom than the top, and some way off the "more than others combined" claim made. by the by, rank them by successful tackles, and he is below all the midfielders.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 5 minutes ago
Nobody wants robots.
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Apart from Liverpool, City and every ‘modern/progressive’ coach.
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Yeah, I meant fans-wise. (I hate coaches as well. Our fans, opposition fans, our players, and modern coaches in general. And owners. Probably a lot of the auxiliary staff too. Particularly our medics and physios.)

I’m sure City fans are delighted with all of those trophies, and we’ve seen decent incarnations of Pepball, but yeah, it’s often terrible to watch. I’m sure they aren’t enjoying the spectacle at the moment.
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I dunno, I think a lot of fans are in favour of it as well, particularly due to Pep’s success.

You only have to look at the reaction of many fans to teams where the coach lets players have some freedom to play off the cuff and express themselves. It’s deemed bad coaching/no tactics/insert other bullshiiiiit criticisms of managers and coaches for not having absolute power over every move a team makes on a pitch.

They’ve been brainwashed by the likes of Pep, Klopp and their diiiiicksucking journalists like Jonthan Wilson.

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 45 minutes ago

he’ll put in more challenges than our CMs combined in a game
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i mean, this is closer to a lie than enthusiastic hyperbole isn't it?

per fbref, if you rank our players by attempted challenges made per 90 mins this season, you get our midfielders thus:

casemiro 4.22
ugarte 3.18
mount 2.59
fernandes 2.42
mainoo 2.31
eriksen 1.79

https://fbref.com/en/squads/19538871/Manchester-United-Stats

so closer to the bottom than the top, and some way off the "more than others combined" claim made. by the by, rank them by successful tackles, and he is below all the midfielders.
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I wasn’t making a general statistical claim, which is why I said “in a game”, and not “in every game” or “on average”.