I expect mass changed from Amorim. Anything less and he can pack his bags… today was unacceptable.

comment by Slack Alice (U9489)
posted 2 minutes ago
I expect mass changed from Amorim. Anything less and he can pack his bags… today was unacceptable.
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This really needs to be on the Unacceptable thread.

If we have to finish 14th or 15th then so be it. He's not the reason why we are where we are as a club. The owners, the new operators and the previous manager need locking up for spending a billion quid on this squad. It's probably worth £150m tops.

I bet he wishes he'd have stayed in Portugal now until the end of the season and called their bluff. He's in a lose lose situation here until he can start signing his own players.

INEOS have lost me already. Too many mistakes in 11 months for there to be any trust there at all. They are just not going to turn this club around.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
If we have to finish 14th or 15th then so be it. He's not the reason why we are where we are as a club. The owners, the new operators and the previous manager need locking up for spending a billion quid on this squad. It's probably worth £150m tops.

I bet he wishes he'd have stayed in Portugal now until the end of the season and called their bluff. He's in a lose lose situation here until he can start signing his own players.

INEOS have lost me already. Too many mistakes in 11 months for there to be any trust there at all. They are just not going to turn this club around.
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You've said it yourself, 11 months. They've made some mistakes but they need to be afforded time like Amorim does.

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
If we have to finish 14th or 15th then so be it. He's not the reason why we are where we are as a club. The owners, the new operators and the previous manager need locking up for spending a billion quid on this squad. It's probably worth £150m tops.

I bet he wishes he'd have stayed in Portugal now until the end of the season and called their bluff. He's in a lose lose situation here until he can start signing his own players.

INEOS have lost me already. Too many mistakes in 11 months for there to be any trust there at all. They are just not going to turn this club around.
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You've said it yourself, 11 months. They've made some mistakes but they need to be afforded time like Amorim does.
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There are mistakes and then there are MISTAKES sadly.

The ETH fiasco and then the ticket price / Ashworth shambles just sums them up. Tone deaf and absolutely out of their depth.

I can't accept mistakes on that magnitude. They have tossed this season into the fire by continuing with a lame duck manager. They showed no leadership or bottle whatsoever.

Now poor Amorim has an absolute mountain to climb. He's going to have to drag these players off the floor of a bottom half finish for next season and it's not really his fault.

Wouldn't mind seeing this line up:


-------------Onana

Yoro-------De Ligt--------Martinez

Mazraoui-Ugarte-Collyer-Antony

--------Amad------------Bruno

-----------------Hojlund

comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 3 minutes ago
Wouldn't mind seeing this line up:


-------------Onana

Yoro-------De Ligt--------Martinez

Mazraoui-Ugarte-Collyer-Antony

--------Amad------------Bruno

-----------------Hojlund
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Team of midgets who will get dominated in the air at every single set piece.

Maguire and Casemiro for me have to play for me.

People celebrated when Mctominay left in the summer but I think people didn't quite understand just how important he was in our own box defending set pieces. He used to head loads clear for us as well pick up the odd goal at the other end too. Limited footballer obviously but he had his uses.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
If we have to finish 14th or 15th then so be it. He's not the reason why we are where we are as a club. The owners, the new operators and the previous manager need locking up for spending a billion quid on this squad. It's probably worth £150m tops.

I bet he wishes he'd have stayed in Portugal now until the end of the season and called their bluff. He's in a lose lose situation here until he can start signing his own players.

INEOS have lost me already. Too many mistakes in 11 months for there to be any trust there at all. They are just not going to turn this club around.
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You've said it yourself, 11 months. They've made some mistakes but they need to be afforded time like Amorim does.
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There are mistakes and then there are MISTAKES sadly.

The ETH fiasco and then the ticket price / Ashworth shambles just sums them up. Tone deaf and absolutely out of their depth.

I can't accept mistakes on that magnitude. They have tossed this season into the fire by continuing with a lame duck manager. They showed no leadership or bottle whatsoever.

Now poor Amorim has an absolute mountain to climb. He's going to have to drag these players off the floor of a bottom half finish for next season and it's not really his fault.
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How many of those mistakes has affected our performance on the pitch though? Only the Ten Hag sacking.

You have to remember they didn't just come in and make decisions. There was an initial period where they carried out a full audit of the club as they should, there were structural changes which took time including key positions in the club's heirarchy. All of these were a contributing factor to that one mistake. And don't get me wrong it was a mistake, but given the timescales I think they shouldn't be written off because of it so soon.

RA cant oversee too many more results of this nature.

Like results dont matter to those watching at OT.

But he knows that.

comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 35 minutes ago
Wouldn't mind seeing this line up:


-------------Onana

Yoro-------De Ligt--------Martinez

Mazraoui-Ugarte-Collyer-Antony

--------Amad------------Bruno

-----------------Hojlund
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Tbh my favoured team is the following:


Sold

Sold sold sold

Sold sold sold sold

Sold. Sold

Sold

And until we get some better players, United dont have a 'best team'.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
And until we get some better players, United dont have a 'best team'.
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Pretty much what I said.

This is the worst United team I have ever known by far. We aren't particularly good at anything and what's worse is we are physically second best most games too.

Genuinely might finish the season with less than 50pts. 47-48pts is looking about right for this squad.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 second ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
And until we get some better players, United dont have a 'best team'.
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Pretty much what I said.

This is the worst United team I have ever known by far. We aren't particularly good at anything and what's worse is we are physically second best most games too.

Genuinely might finish the season with less than 50pts. 47-48pts is looking about right for this squad.
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Ive said it before, but I will be interested to see how much the powers that be will allow United to slide before we are looking at the trapdoor, basement battle.

And if that came, I am pretty certain that there arent many players in our squad who have the bolux to scrap it out and get points on the board, by hook or by crook.

Ive been here before in my United journey and I never thought Id be thinking about it again.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 55 minutes ago
I know we'd all like us to win every game but if we are taking silver linings is that we've not had "papering over the cracks" wins which may have given a false impression. If the club fully backs Amorim I do trust his management will get us back up there.
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Same for me. Everyone was saying give him time until we hit a rough patch, and then it's why is he doing this or that.

I can't see us approaching anywhere near the bottom three. There's easily 6 teams worse than us (it's probably the main thing keeping us from falling below 13th tbf ).

We're 10 points off bottom three and 9 points off top four. No chance of achieving either.

I felt when the manager came in it was a blank slate and he had 12-18 months to make changes, update and upgrade the squad and bring on his style of play but I accept that most fans want improvement, better results quickly but imo anyway that doesn't happen

I'm not concerned about results so much. I consider this season to be largely written off. A decent run in the Europy would be nice (funnily enough for the sake of Amorim) but otherwise not too bothered.

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm not concerned about results so much. I consider this season to be largely written off. A decent run in the Europy would be nice (funnily enough for the sake of Amorim) but otherwse not too bothered.
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Im concerned about results. You have to keep the points on the board ticking over.

As a player, (and a supporter) I can tell you that pretendiing that things will be ok and results dont matter but because there is always some team you regard as worse that you (who those teams are in the PL Im not too sure) it wont happen, and its nonesence. It creeps up on you very quickly and before you know it you start playing games that can make a 6 point difference (when most teams in the bottom half are separated by few points). If you dont have the collective mindset in the changing room to deal with that then you are facked. Its ever decerasing circles that drags you in.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 3 minutes ago
I'm not concerned about results so much. I consider this season to be largely written off. A decent run in the Europy would be nice (funnily enough for the sake of Amorim) but otherwse not too bothered.
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Im concerned about results. You have to keep the points on the board ticking over.

As a player, (and a supporter) I can tell you that pretendiing that things will be ok and results dont matter but because there is always some team you regard as worse that you (who those teams are in the PL Im not too sure) it wont happen, and its nonesence. It creeps up on you very quickly and before you know it you start playing games that can make a 6 point difference (when most teams in the bottom half are separated by few points). If you dont have the collective mindset in the changing room to deal with that then you are facked. Its ever decerasing circles that drags you in.
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I'm not suggesting the players not caring about the result. Of course I want the team going out there to win. So does Amorim. I'm speaking as a fan considering where we are in terms of the squad and giving Amorim the time and space to turn the club around. I'd love them to win every game. My point is that if they lose games they're expected to win, but I can see progress in terms of style of play, partnerships being developed, patterns of play and a clear direction in terms of a footballing identity then I'll be content for this season. Anything else will be a bonus.

Btw I picked out our defensive performance earlier as a priority. Indirectly that is a reflection of the result today but more importantly for me it's about progress in terms of performance.

The manager doesn’t know his players, he hasn’t had one complete uninterrupted week of training with them so far.

We have a lack of quality throughout the team but in particular in the wing back areas (we don't really have any wing backs). Amorim could switch his system to a back four to at least compensate for this and have players in more comfortable positions, but I think he needs to stick to his principles and preferred team shape and play through the pain until we can properly upgrade in key positions.

We urgently need a LWB, and we also need a RWB, LF, CF and CM player.

comment by Cesario (U22905)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
The manager doesn’t know his players, he hasn’t had one complete uninterrupted week of training with them so far.
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He should know them

One looks at the likes of Dalot, Onana, malacia and zirkzee is enough evidence to know they fluked their way into being paid to kick a bag of air around, or catch a bag of air in Onana's case, or let a bag of air go past you actually, to be more accurate