posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Happy New Year Sandy
I hope we start playing some teams that have same or less days of rest in between games. almost every team we have played so far, had a day's rest more at least.
It is just to allow our already decimated sqaud to give chance to young ones to recover.
And hopefully, Levy will losen up his purse more in this transfer window
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
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Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
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Why is that Ange fault?
Maybe look at the medical staff? That's a stretch to say the manager is solely responsible because our players getting injured? Also, these guys are supposed to be elite atheletes????
No a bunch of weaklings going down like a packet of cards?
ffs, blaming the manager for using a tactic that may make the players put in a shift for something they get paid over £35+k a week??
Give me that money and I will run whole day....FFS, our fans are mentally weak hich rubs off on the players which is why, we don't turn up for critical games, like CL final
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 23 minutes ago
Happy New Year Sandy
I hope we start playing some teams that have same or less days of rest in between games. almost every team we have played so far, had a day's rest more at least.
It is just to allow our already decimated sqaud to give chance to young ones to recover.
And hopefully, Levy will losen up his purse more in this transfer window
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Problem is Spurs have another eight games in January to negotiate, including a semi final, and Prem games against Newcastle and Arsenal.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
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I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
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Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
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The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Fair points Sandy. The worry is who we bring in Jan as cover. Will they be any good or just temporary so essentially not good enough which will mean we have the exact same issues when the missing players are back…. I.e not being able to defend properly because of the Ange system/tactics or because they are in fact shat.
Don’t think levy will have his cheque book open for a manager who he potentially has to chop in Jan. if he does it sooner before the window opens he might spend more for the new mug.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
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It shows how little trust he has in players that were signed under him. The fact he selected both VDV and Romero to play straight after injury really hammered home the desperation. It makes me question how clued up he actually is as a manager to be honest.
I think Ange is showing when things are going wrong, his decision making is not the best.
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
Just recall Ashley Phillips from Stoke ?
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
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Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
The system gives us no room to make mistakes.... & as we all know players are human and make errors. If Ange was a proper manager, he would recognize that our back ups are young and have limited experience in the PL (Drag and Archie) and do more to protect them... But no... It's all about him and his philosophy.... I hate it..... He's paid to win football games not be some bloody preacher about how he see's the world. Thankfully he's doing a shlt job of the former and will soon be gone
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 12 minutes ago
Just recall Ashley Phillips from Stoke ?
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Now there’s an option. Won’t do it though. Wonder why?
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
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so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
The injuries are a consequence of a wafer thin squad, the way they are asked to play and a full fixture list.
Levy is to blame for not providing an adequate squad to cover all eventualities, and Ange is to blame for asking them to constantly sprint back due to a stupid high line.
The whole thing is one big mess, Vintage Levy.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
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Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
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Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
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Most, if not all the injuries occurred when the CBs were in or near the penalty area with plenty of cover around. Not sure any of them occurred due to the high line. Easy to use that against the manager.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
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Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
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Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
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Most, if not all the injuries occurred when the CBs were in or near the penalty area with plenty of cover around. Not sure any of them occurred due to the high line. Easy to use that against the manager.
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Good point -- does not suite the narrative though
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp was a very highly regarded manager having won twice with Dortmund in a league dominated by Bayern, and reached a CL final with them. What Ange has done pales in comparison. Won the SPL with the best team in the SPL and other trophies in poor quality leagues.
Ange has had 18 months and there's been no progress. We're losing games at the same rate we were last season.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
I have a feeling whatever Ange may say, ie he's been saying he is close to getting it right if we lose the next 2 games, I am convinced a knee jerk reaction from Levy.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp was a very highly regarded manager having won twice with Dortmund in a league dominated by Bayern, and reached a CL final with them. What Ange has done pales in comparison. Won the SPL with the best team in the SPL and other trophies in poor quality leagues.
Ange has had 18 months and there's been no progress. We're losing games at the same rate we were last season.
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well Ange has the same reputation too and in fact, some of our fans were highly in favour of him too up to 2/3 weeks ago.
I think all the love given to Ange, will now shows us how fickle our lot are.
Levy is about to sack Ange if we lose the next 2/3
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 43 minutes ago
I have a feeling whatever Ange may say, ie he's been saying he is close to getting it right if we lose the next 2 games, I am convinced a knee jerk reaction from Levy.
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Unfortunately you are probably right, lose the next two home matches, and Ange will be toast, whatever the circumstances. Football is a results business at the end of the day, and all managers live and die by their results.
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posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Happy New Year Sandy
I hope we start playing some teams that have same or less days of rest in between games. almost every team we have played so far, had a day's rest more at least.
It is just to allow our already decimated sqaud to give chance to young ones to recover.
And hopefully, Levy will losen up his purse more in this transfer window
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 10 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
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Why is that Ange fault?
Maybe look at the medical staff? That's a stretch to say the manager is solely responsible because our players getting injured? Also, these guys are supposed to be elite atheletes????
No a bunch of weaklings going down like a packet of cards?
ffs, blaming the manager for using a tactic that may make the players put in a shift for something they get paid over £35+k a week??
Give me that money and I will run whole day....FFS, our fans are mentally weak hich rubs off on the players which is why, we don't turn up for critical games, like CL final
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 23 minutes ago
Happy New Year Sandy
I hope we start playing some teams that have same or less days of rest in between games. almost every team we have played so far, had a day's rest more at least.
It is just to allow our already decimated sqaud to give chance to young ones to recover.
And hopefully, Levy will losen up his purse more in this transfer window
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Problem is Spurs have another eight games in January to negotiate, including a semi final, and Prem games against Newcastle and Arsenal.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
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Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
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I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
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I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
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Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
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The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
Fair points Sandy. The worry is who we bring in Jan as cover. Will they be any good or just temporary so essentially not good enough which will mean we have the exact same issues when the missing players are back…. I.e not being able to defend properly because of the Ange system/tactics or because they are in fact shat.
Don’t think levy will have his cheque book open for a manager who he potentially has to chop in Jan. if he does it sooner before the window opens he might spend more for the new mug.
posted 1 day, 8 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
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It shows how little trust he has in players that were signed under him. The fact he selected both VDV and Romero to play straight after injury really hammered home the desperation. It makes me question how clued up he actually is as a manager to be honest.
I think Ange is showing when things are going wrong, his decision making is not the best.
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
Just recall Ashley Phillips from Stoke ?
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
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Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
The system gives us no room to make mistakes.... & as we all know players are human and make errors. If Ange was a proper manager, he would recognize that our back ups are young and have limited experience in the PL (Drag and Archie) and do more to protect them... But no... It's all about him and his philosophy.... I hate it..... He's paid to win football games not be some bloody preacher about how he see's the world. Thankfully he's doing a shlt job of the former and will soon be gone
posted 1 day, 7 hours ago
comment by Edward Elizabeth Hitler. (U14393)
posted 12 minutes ago
Just recall Ashley Phillips from Stoke ?
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Now there’s an option. Won’t do it though. Wonder why?
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
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The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
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so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
posted 1 day, 6 hours ago
The injuries are a consequence of a wafer thin squad, the way they are asked to play and a full fixture list.
Levy is to blame for not providing an adequate squad to cover all eventualities, and Ange is to blame for asking them to constantly sprint back due to a stupid high line.
The whole thing is one big mess, Vintage Levy.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
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Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
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Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
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Most, if not all the injuries occurred when the CBs were in or near the penalty area with plenty of cover around. Not sure any of them occurred due to the high line. Easy to use that against the manager.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
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Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
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Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 1 hour, 54 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta IN!!! (U7482)
posted 20 minutes ago
Maybe the high lines you've been playing and the number of covering high intensity sprints VdV has to do when the opposition counter has led to more muscular injuries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on Mate..... Its not the way "he" plays..... Its the way Ange sets us up to play. Play a little deeper with less space behind and there's less chance of chasing back to cover flying wingers who have got behind our FBs. Spurs basically play with wing backs but with only 2 CBs..... It doesn't matter when its VDV, Romero, Drag, Archie or Davies at CB... Its the system thats flawed, not the players
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Most, if not all the injuries occurred when the CBs were in or near the penalty area with plenty of cover around. Not sure any of them occurred due to the high line. Easy to use that against the manager.
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Good point -- does not suite the narrative though
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp was a very highly regarded manager having won twice with Dortmund in a league dominated by Bayern, and reached a CL final with them. What Ange has done pales in comparison. Won the SPL with the best team in the SPL and other trophies in poor quality leagues.
Ange has had 18 months and there's been no progress. We're losing games at the same rate we were last season.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
I have a feeling whatever Ange may say, ie he's been saying he is close to getting it right if we lose the next 2 games, I am convinced a knee jerk reaction from Levy.
posted 1 day, 5 hours ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 11 minutes ago
When we have a competent manager we'll see far less injuries.
Apparently VDV had one hamstring injury in his career before joining spurs. He's now on his fourth under Angeball...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure you can blame the manager. It`s just the modern game. It`s all 100 mph these days. Would you rather he just stood like a statue? Whoever he plays for he will have the same problems. Big shame really, because he is a hugely talented player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you can apportion some blame to Ange, regardless of his style, since he threw him back after injury straight into the Chelsea game and he got injured again. It was a high risk move. You usually transition players back slowly into the team but seems Ange got desperate for a result, which we didn't even get.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think Ange was between a rock and a hard place, and fell for the pressure. He should have eased in VDV deffo. With Romero, it is unsure as the player has tendency to declare himself fit when he may not be.
But to throw tantrum because of the incidents, when we are still at an early stage of the Ange revolution is it childlish.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The 1 year and 4 months on "revolution"....
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so you want it to be revolution in 3/4 months?
Fergie, arguably one of the most successful managers in the PL era, took over 4 years before his side started showing reaping rewards of his training and tactics.
It takes time. 1 year and 4 months inc, losing one of the best strikers in the league and getting rid of deadwoods.
Almost all replaced with teenage ninjas - cheapos a la Levy style transfers.
Any player who has a heart beat and was cheap, we went for him. Solomon comes to my mind.
I think we need to chill out a bit. No one will come in now who will make any difference. We need to just toughen up and ride it out. Give Ange his full second season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fergie was a once in a generation great who had done amazing things with Aberdeen before he came to United. I can see why he was given the time he had. It would be kind of like if you were to get Alonso and he was struggling now. You'd still want to give him time because you know there is a possible elite manager in there.
Does anyone think Ange is a possible elite manager based on what he's done with Celtic and Wallaby FC etc.? Even what he's doing here, it just looks like signs of a man clearly out of his depth in this league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was Klopp an elite manager before he took charge of Liverpool?
I think that is in no way a reason to not give Ange some time.
I am not an Ange outright fan but I see what#s been happening at the club for the last few managers>
Club hires someone, and the fans start putting on the clock, and demand the manager gets us a trophy within a very short time.
I want to see more stability at management level, and Levy backing the manager and not use fickle fans to divide and conquer his mainstay. Levy must go
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Klopp was a very highly regarded manager having won twice with Dortmund in a league dominated by Bayern, and reached a CL final with them. What Ange has done pales in comparison. Won the SPL with the best team in the SPL and other trophies in poor quality leagues.
Ange has had 18 months and there's been no progress. We're losing games at the same rate we were last season.
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well Ange has the same reputation too and in fact, some of our fans were highly in favour of him too up to 2/3 weeks ago.
I think all the love given to Ange, will now shows us how fickle our lot are.
Levy is about to sack Ange if we lose the next 2/3
posted 1 day, 4 hours ago
comment by He who Dares, waits for Trophies (U15748)
posted 43 minutes ago
I have a feeling whatever Ange may say, ie he's been saying he is close to getting it right if we lose the next 2 games, I am convinced a knee jerk reaction from Levy.
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Unfortunately you are probably right, lose the next two home matches, and Ange will be toast, whatever the circumstances. Football is a results business at the end of the day, and all managers live and die by their results.
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