For a lot of time he was worth his place. But not now.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 seconds ago
For a lot of time he was worth his place. But not now.
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For a lot, but there are periods of when he was very poor, and still played 90 minutes.

There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.

He's the next Dele Alli. Think once he moves on, his career will take a complete nose dive and he'll be irrelevant in a few years time playing for some Turkish club who will bin him too.

Whilst Rashford has probably featured more consistently than some of displays over the years have warranted, we have seen his past managers rotate him or rely on him less to various degrees.

He was in regular rotation under Mourinho and last season was frequently out of favour with ETH as well.

Someone would have to refresh my memory over how much he was favoured under Rangnick but I do recall Sancho and even Elanga were used a lot.

Nevertheless, he certainly had the benefit of playing consistently even during spells of poor form, and I don't think the way in which his United career is concluding can be said to come as much surprise.

Clunky as the introduction of proper sporting people into our operations has been so far, I'd like to think it were bleedin' obvious that we've got too many players who don't work hard enough or play with the intensity required of trophy winning teams, and Rashford's workrate on the pitch has been glaringly bad for several seasons now.

Do you really find this disturbing?

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.
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I don't think this is correct. The decline in Rashford's on-pitch work rate started under Ole.

Ole tended to deploy Rashford a little further up and gave him the license to "cheat" a little bit in his tracking back in order for him to be a threat on the counter. It's the kind of luxury you afford to a top class attacker but not someone a level or two below that like Rashford. Ever since he's seemed to treat his off the ball/out of possession work like it's beneath him and not really his job. If he'd maintained his goal contributions to the sorts of standards that we see from the likes of Salah, Son, Mane and co then you'd could at least make the case for him, but he hasn't, and all of those players fight and work harder than Rashford anyway.

There were also very long periods - years, in fact - when he played, continuously, through serious injuries and pretty horrific pain.

There were times after his shoulder injury during which he was having painkilling injections before (literally) every game in order to take to the field. That went on for almost a year. Before that he suffered for a long period after the double stress fracture in his back.

There was also a period during which he could only wear flip flops between games and the occasional training session because his swollen foot wouldn’t fit inside any shoe after he did the ligaments in the bottom of his foot.

Throughout all of that, he didn’t go missing, he didn’t complain, we didn’t see stories leaking from his team about him being rushed back or forced to play.

And throughout that period, he maintained an appearance and goalscoring record which would have seen him finish as United’s second highest ever goalscorer behind Rooney and with the second highest number of appearances after Giggs.

I hope people remember all of that before they rush to judge his time at United.

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.
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I don't think this is correct. The decline in Rashford's on-pitch work rate started under Ole.

Ole tended to deploy Rashford a little further up and gave him the license to "cheat" a little bit in his tracking back in order for him to be a threat on the counter. It's the kind of luxury you afford to a top class attacker but not someone a level or two below that like Rashford. Ever since he's seemed to treat his off the ball/out of possession work like it's beneath him and not really his job. If he'd maintained his goal contributions to the sorts of standards that we see from the likes of Salah, Son, Mane and co then you'd could at least make the case for him, but he hasn't, and all of those players fight and work harder than Rashford anyway.
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IIRC, it was under Ole that he was having painkilling injections every week and suffered through 50-odd appearances before his shoulder was operated on.

Also worth bearing in mind.

He's been consistently played because the multitude of players we have signed have been worse. It's not really rocket science.

Antony, Mason Mount, Zirkzee, Hojlund aren't very good footballer who regularly deliver goals and assists.

Garnacho and Amad are still both young and inconsistent which you'd expect.

Had we recruited better he'd have found it much harder to stay in the team. We didn't though.

Does make you wonder why we’ve kept him so long if literally ever manager had issues with him and more often than not he was average at best.

Possible that the club wanted to keep him over any manager which is never going to work.

Was only a matter time before you started blaming the Glazers

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Pales... (U1108)
posted 42 seconds ago
Was only a matter time before you started blaming the Glazers
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Who will you blame when the three amigos leave on free transfers?

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 Resistance is Existence (U1108)
posted 5 minutes ago
Was only a matter time before you started blaming the Glazers
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Who else are we meant to blame? Does Marcus Rashford recruit the players or choose the people who recruit the players? Does he pick the team and tactics?

He's been made out to be the scapegoat when in truth there's a long list of people who have harmed this club more than he has.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 9 minutes ago
There were also very long periods - years, in fact - when he played, continuously, through serious injuries and pretty horrific pain.

There were times after his shoulder injury during which he was having painkilling injections before (literally) every game in order to take to the field. That went on for almost a year. Before that he suffered for a long period after the double stress fracture in his back.

There was also a period during which he could only wear flip flops between games and the occasional training session because his swollen foot wouldn’t fit inside any shoe after he did the ligaments in the bottom of his foot.

Throughout all of that, he didn’t go missing, he didn’t complain, we didn’t see stories leaking from his team about him being rushed back or forced to play.

And throughout that period, he maintained an appearance and goalscoring record which would have seen him finish as United’s second highest ever goalscorer behind Rooney and with the second highest number of appearances after Giggs.

I hope people remember all of that before they rush to judge his time at United.
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You seem to be praising him for this. I just see woeful mismanagement by whoever supported these actions. Did not help him in the long run nor the immediate performance of him and the team.

As a follow up to the output of Rashford, lingard, Greenwood, I'm starting to believe every one of our talented youngsters may need some time on loan for a total of 1 years, mostly to 2 clubs or more. Let them face some realities of football at the " lower levels" (that we are now if we are honest). I hate to believe we are losing so many players who should be actively making our team selection easy and performance.

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 33 minutes ago
There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.
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I think started to go downhill when his best mate Lingard left. Lingard is the kind of high energy friend someone like Rashford needs.

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.
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I don't think this is correct. The decline in Rashford's on-pitch work rate started under Ole.

Ole tended to deploy Rashford a little further up and gave him the license to "cheat" a little bit in his tracking back in order for him to be a threat on the counter. It's the kind of luxury you afford to a top class attacker but not someone a level or two below that like Rashford. Ever since he's seemed to treat his off the ball/out of possession work like it's beneath him and not really his job. If he'd maintained his goal contributions to the sorts of standards that we see from the likes of Salah, Son, Mane and co then you'd could at least make the case for him, but he hasn't, and all of those players fight and work harder than Rashford anyway.
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As mentioned by RRRU he played a whole season with the shoulder/back injury and then had surgery. I think that was the season we had the amazing away form.

When Ronaldo left Rashford stormed it in Ten Hag's first season so he still had the right attitude up until then.

Something switched in him when Sancho threw his toys out the pram. Just my opinion but I think he sided with him.

comment by Ruben's Rotating Reds (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 33 minutes ago
There's nothing clandestine about it. His whole attitude fell off a cliff same time as Sancho fell out with Ten Hag. Think they were best buddies or something.

This coupled with ETH telling him to play on the right or up front, turned Marcus to the dark side.
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I think started to go downhill when his best mate Lingard left. Lingard is the kind of high energy friend someone like Rashford needs.
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I don't think it was Lingard. It seemed to me that both Lingard and Marcus were affected by Pogba's attitude. Lingard openly moreso imo with that whole JLingz twatter bollox, but it couldn't have helped set the right tone for Rashford coming through either.

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 35 minutes ago
There were also very long periods - years, in fact - when he played, continuously, through serious injuries and pretty horrific pain.

There were times after his shoulder injury during which he was having painkilling injections before (literally) every game in order to take to the field. That went on for almost a year. Before that he suffered for a long period after the double stress fracture in his back.

There was also a period during which he could only wear flip flops between games and the occasional training session because his swollen foot wouldn’t fit inside any shoe after he did the ligaments in the bottom of his foot.

Throughout all of that, he didn’t go missing, he didn’t complain, we didn’t see stories leaking from his team about him being rushed back or forced to play.

And throughout that period, he maintained an appearance and goalscoring record which would have seen him finish as United’s second highest ever goalscorer behind Rooney and with the second highest number of appearances after Giggs.

I hope people remember all of that before they rush to judge his time at United.
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Indeed

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 48 minutes ago
Do you really find this disturbing?
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I am deeply disturbed at this news

He no longer wants to be at the club

The sooner he's gone the better

He's back in the squad tonight apparently.

Whilst it's probably for the best if he leaves nothing would delight me more than him proving me wrong, knuckling down and showing Amorim that he has to be part of plans moving forward.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
He's back in the squad tonight apparently.

Whilst it's probably for the best if he leaves nothing would delight me more than him proving me wrong, knuckling down and showing Amorim that he has to be part of plans moving forward.
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Nice sentiment Diafol but knuckling down is a minimum expectation from any professional footballer especially a utd player on the money he's earning.

If he scores the winner it'll be brilliant man management by Ruben.

If he doesn't he's a lazy, useless cant.