To be fair, none of the players you mentioned played within particularly rigid tactical systems for long periods of their career, and I’d argue they’re from an era when the game in England wasn’t as rigid around systems and diluted to a snooze fest by Europooan influence as it is today.

Maybe this new generation of English players raised by “tacticians” Will produce a better crop of managers.

Then again, they’re all thick as f*ck, so I doubt it.

One thing I will say about Rooney is that he is willing to get his hands dirty and go into management down the leagues. He's got enough money not to have to.

It's just a shame he's not that good at it at present!

Why should great players become great managers?

There are coaches who start learning the trade in their teens nowadays. The ones who progress are usually (very) highly intelligent, diligent and committed students of the game.

They’re studying the discipline and practising, developing the specific skills required to succeed, whilst footballers are busy training and in the gym. They’re watching 22 players from the touchline whilst individual players are focussed on their specific roles game to game. They’re busy making connections in the industry, working with other coaches and professionals in associated roles, taking internships and attending seminars, and gaining valuable work experience, whilst players are at sponsor events.

There’s no good reason why elite players, who have dedicated close to every day of 15 years plus of their adult lives to playing football, should turn out to be half as good as elite coaches who have spent that same period and longer developing in their specific profession.

That’s why there are now relatively so few top level ex-footballer-head coaches around, and why, as the profession of coaching continues to develop, we’ll see fewer and fewer in the future.

Weirdly almost every player that played under SAF have turned out to be very disappointing coaches.

comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
Weirdly almost every player that played under SAF have turned out to be very disappointing coaches.
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And Fergie himself was a very ordinary run of the mill player.

Definitely something in it. Very few world class players go on to become top coaches.

Atleast he’s available for when we sack amorim

comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 15 minutes ago
To be fair, none of the players you mentioned played within particularly rigid tactical systems for long periods of their career, and I’d argue they’re from an era when the game in England wasn’t as rigid around systems and diluted to a snooze fest by Europooan influence as it is today.

Maybe this new generation of English players raised by “tacticians” Will produce a better crop of managers.

Then again, they’re all thick as f*ck, so I doubt it.
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Imagine Cole Palmer as a manager drooling as he tries to tell the players to pass the round thingy

Being a top players doesn’t really mean anything in terms of how good a manager you’ll be. How many top managers these days were top players? Pep, Ancelotti, Conte and Alonso?

Honestly, look at all the great managers, and very few were great players. It's probably the same in most sports - the great coaches were rarely great participants in their given sport.
I think an average player recognises more how difficult the game is, so appreciates having to work hard at certain aspects of the game and just notices things more.
A great player, the game comes a bit more easier to him, so probably would struggle more to understand and convey this to a team of players who don't have his ability.

comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
Weirdly almost every player that played under SAF have turned out to be very disappointing coaches.
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I thought fergie had a very promising career as a player curtailed by injury !?!?

It's that old saying that great players don't usually turn into great managers or coaches , with Zidane the obvious exception of course.
So there's a chance that Timo Werner will become a great manager one day then eh?

Who would be classed as the successful managers of the ex fergie players ?

Hughes Bruce Carrick Keane Strachan

comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 15 minutes ago
To be fair, none of the players you mentioned played within particularly rigid tactical systems for long periods of their career, and I’d argue they’re from an era when the game in England wasn’t as rigid around systems and diluted to a snooze fest by Europooan influence as it is today.

Maybe this new generation of English players raised by “tacticians” Will produce a better crop of managers.

Then again, they’re all thick as f*ck, so I doubt it.
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Imagine Cole Palmer as a managerdrooling as he tries to tell the players to pass the round thingy
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And our current players replying "Pass? Huh?"

comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Paddystinian 🫶 (U22716)
posted 10 minutes ago
Weirdly almost every player that played under SAF have turned out to be very disappointing coaches.
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I thought fergie had a very promising career as a player curtailed by injury !?!?
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He was a decent enough striker for Rangers, but I don't think he was outstanding

Ole won two league titles in Norway. I'm sure Blanc won Ligue 1 with Bordeux about 15 years ago and Ruud won a Dutch cup with PSV.

I'm probably forgetting a few but there hasn't been many trophies won by former Fergie players players that's for sure.

Laurent Blanc is probably the most successful manager to have played under Fergie

I reckon Mark Robbins would be classed as the best ex Fergie player to make it as a good manager, cruelly sacked though from his Coventry job but I think Carrick at Boro is getting close to being seen as a potential candidate for an EPL job in the not too distant future.

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 minutes ago
Ole won two league titles in Norway. I'm sure Blanc won Ligue 1 with Bordeux about 15 years ago and Ruud won a Dutch cup with PSV.

I'm probably forgetting a few but there hasn't been many trophies won by former Fergie players players that's for sure.
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Keane won the championship with Sunderland which is not to be sniffed at.

Let's face it, if it wasn't for football a lot of these British players would be in low-skilled jobs.

This isn't the case in Europe where their players are more intelligent. They sound smarter speaking English — their second language — than the Brit players speaking their mother tongue.

I suppose it depends on what you view as successful. There is the bracket of truly world class manager, which very few are in, then a level below that, which i don't think any of SAF's players would make either, but then not many do.
It will be interesting to see how Carrick develops over the next few years, and whether he can get 'boro promoted or will go to another EPL club

To be fair, very few of the elite managers were absolutely top class players, mostly they were just below elite level. SAF was not exactly a world class player yet seemed to do ok as a manager! Even Pep, who was a top player would probably not be in a top 10 of Barca players while many of those who would make that list are/were not elite managers. Going back into England's past the likes of Ramsey, Revie, Mercer, Clough, Busby, Robson etc were better managers than players. It does seem strange that England's 'Golden Generation' of players has not really yielded an elite manager but maybe they are better at following plans than devising them.

comment by Ruben's Resetting Reds (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
Let's face it, if it wasn't for football a lot of these British players would be in low-skilled jobs.

This isn't the case in Europe where their players are more intelligent. They sound smarter speaking English — their second language — than the Brit players speaking their mother tongue.
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Joey Barton says Allo

It’s quite embarrassing when players like Palmer are interviewed, so thick I’m amazed he learned how to breathe, guys an utter moron, as said above contrast that to foreign players speaking English who sound far more eloquent and intelligent. Onana is fluent in something like 5 languages, and he went to school in Africa.

comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
posted 13 seconds ago
It’s quite embarrassing when players like Palmer are interviewed, so thick I’m amazed he learned how to breathe, guys an utter moron, as said above contrast that to foreign players speaking English who sound far more eloquent and intelligent. Onana is fluent in something like 5 languages, and he went to school in Africa.
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but would you prefer Palmer or Onana in your team

Going back a bit but I always remember Ian Rush who I think we'd all say was a brilliant striker for Liverpool but when he was first interviewed on tv...my goodness he made Palmer sound like Laurence Olivier!!!