Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
Yeah, never a handball under the rules.
It is that very weird thing that if Joelinton had smashed it in directly or gone on a run past 6 players and slotted it in then it would be handball.
We had one last season where the defender (Cash) pushed the ball with his arm onto the arm of Havertz and Havertz touched it in. The Cash handball wasn't considered as he was challenging for the ball, but Havertz handball led directly to him scoring. Confusing, baffling. Yes. By the rules. Yes.
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
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I can see why they have that rule though. Otherwise you could get a penalty or dangerous free kick just by playing ball against someone’s hand!!
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
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I can see why they have that rule though. Otherwise you could get a penalty or dangerous free kick just by playing ball against someone’s hand!!
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Eg Liverpool in the champions league final - tiny how they changed the rule after that game
Would also be annoyed to concede a goal like this. Hard to swallow but as the guys saying probably the right decision to give a goal.
In my view the handball rule should be revised.
The whole advantage from accidental handball thing is a joke, Joelington's arm is well away from his body, it is a blatant handball.
Spurs were screwed over
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
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Linton is a massive thug and should have given a yellow card way earlier. He gets away with so many fouls. It's not normal.
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
We're making too much of it. It's the correct decision under the rules. Unlucky of course but unlucky in the same way a deflected goal would be.
Ange is just a bit of an embarrassment as usual whenever we lose.
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
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Yeah Lucas Moura
Had the ball blasted at him while on the ground …it hit his arm and the goal was disallowed….he didn’t even know anything about it
I've never felt very strongly about accidental handballs. find it much more annoying when they're over policed like against us in the CL final.
The rules as they are right now are a fallacy.
Newcastle to their credit are using it to their favour. All of their players engaged in pushing opposition into their half in pressing them, have arms raised whenever they make a move forward. Just look at Dan Burns. Newcastle know that there is more chance of getting a favourable bounce from players moving their hands forward and claiming accidental touch and it has a chance in resulting in ball going backwards to their players, stationed higher up, like Gordon is.
This is a form of dark arts. Hopefully what goes around comes around.
How they discussed the Joelinton handball but not Dan Burns one which didn't get resulted in a second yellow, and potentially a sending off??
They gave that a wide berth - how convenient!
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
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Yeah Lucas Moura
Had the ball blasted at him while on the ground …it hit his arm and the goal was disallowed….he didn’t even know anything about it
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good point
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
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Bit harsh this
The goal rightly stood ( I admit I wasn’t clear on the rule as thought intentional or not if it led to goal it’s chalked off….seems it’s only the goal scorer that this rule is for)
Dan burn should have been off after 25 mins at 1-1 ….its not even a debate , clear 2nd yellow
Ange is rightly facked off with that decision…..playing 10 men with 65 mins to play is a different game altogether
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
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Bit harsh this
The goal rightly stood ( I admit I wasn’t clear on the rule as thought intentional or not if it led to goal it’s chalked off….seems it’s only the goal scorer that this rule is for)
Dan burn should have been off after 25 mins at 1-1 ….its not even a debate , clear 2nd yellow
Ange is rightly facked off with that decision…..playing 10 men with 65 mins to play is a different game altogether
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exactly. No doubt for me, Dan Burn should have been sent off, and Joelinton got away with not getting a card issued to him, even 2.
Even forgetting about the handball goal, the ref had a complete mare. Burn should have seen red. Astonishing that he wasn't sent off.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
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Linton is a massive thug and should have given a yellow card way earlier. He gets away with so many fouls. It's not normal.
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Yep agree - in the first half alone he left one on Porro, cut down Kulu when we were on a counter break and elbowed Bergvall in the head intentionally.
Didn’t even get a yellow card until the second half.
Think it's a bizarre rule....but it would appear it was the correct decision.
maybe the right decision but imo the ref should blow the whistle right away. The ball was going past the player and his hand while natural still stopped the ball and directly led to a goal.
In my view thats just not right and the rule should change.
I think it was a strange decision in the interpretation of the rule. It is always the way with us sadly. No other team in english football as adversely effected as us.
However yesterday Kulu should of given away a penalty which is glossed over.
I agree with Ange on this one.
It was a blatant handball. The player had plenty of time to get out of the way, but turned his arm into the ball, and BTW, his arm was not at his side but out a little.
The ref didn't see it because he was already up field. never asked for VAR review when told, so did not judge for himself.
Of course, the ball flew straight off the player's arm back into the Spurs penalty area, and thus the goal was scored.
It is a blatant a handball as can be imagined. Even Sandy agrees!!
And Ange has every right to be upset at this ref.
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
The ref was so weak. Dodged decisions and missed several bad challenges while giving NUFC the benefit of the doubt more often than not. I was fuming in the first half.
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posted 3 weeks ago
Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
posted 3 weeks ago
Yeah, never a handball under the rules.
It is that very weird thing that if Joelinton had smashed it in directly or gone on a run past 6 players and slotted it in then it would be handball.
We had one last season where the defender (Cash) pushed the ball with his arm onto the arm of Havertz and Havertz touched it in. The Cash handball wasn't considered as he was challenging for the ball, but Havertz handball led directly to him scoring. Confusing, baffling. Yes. By the rules. Yes.
posted 3 weeks ago
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
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I can see why they have that rule though. Otherwise you could get a penalty or dangerous free kick just by playing ball against someone’s hand!!
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 1 minute ago
Correct decision under the rules, but the rules are stupid. But there we go.
The controversial decision was not to give Burn a second yellow for the blatant handball.
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I can see why they have that rule though. Otherwise you could get a penalty or dangerous free kick just by playing ball against someone’s hand!!
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Eg Liverpool in the champions league final - tiny how they changed the rule after that game
posted 3 weeks ago
Would also be annoyed to concede a goal like this. Hard to swallow but as the guys saying probably the right decision to give a goal.
In my view the handball rule should be revised.
posted 3 weeks ago
The whole advantage from accidental handball thing is a joke, Joelington's arm is well away from his body, it is a blatant handball.
Spurs were screwed over
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
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Linton is a massive thug and should have given a yellow card way earlier. He gets away with so many fouls. It's not normal.
posted 3 weeks ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
posted 3 weeks ago
We're making too much of it. It's the correct decision under the rules. Unlucky of course but unlucky in the same way a deflected goal would be.
Ange is just a bit of an embarrassment as usual whenever we lose.
posted 3 weeks ago
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
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Yeah Lucas Moura
Had the ball blasted at him while on the ground …it hit his arm and the goal was disallowed….he didn’t even know anything about it
posted 3 weeks ago
I've never felt very strongly about accidental handballs. find it much more annoying when they're over policed like against us in the CL final.
posted 3 weeks ago
The rules as they are right now are a fallacy.
Newcastle to their credit are using it to their favour. All of their players engaged in pushing opposition into their half in pressing them, have arms raised whenever they make a move forward. Just look at Dan Burns. Newcastle know that there is more chance of getting a favourable bounce from players moving their hands forward and claiming accidental touch and it has a chance in resulting in ball going backwards to their players, stationed higher up, like Gordon is.
This is a form of dark arts. Hopefully what goes around comes around.
How they discussed the Joelinton handball but not Dan Burns one which didn't get resulted in a second yellow, and potentially a sending off??
They gave that a wide berth - how convenient!
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think they must have changed the rules as I'm sure there was a point where any handball in a passage of play meant it was disallowed.
I assumed yesterdays goal would get chalked off but when it wasn't I looked up the rules and now my understanding is that the automatic decision is only if the goal scorer handballs it (intentional or not).
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Yes they changed the rules. Think it was after Spurs scored a goal where a player went down under challenge, handled it, ref played advantage for potential foul without seeing handball, Spurs scored but VAR disallowed it for the handball. They couldn't give a foul.
Pretty sure it was Spurs?
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Yeah Lucas Moura
Had the ball blasted at him while on the ground …it hit his arm and the goal was disallowed….he didn’t even know anything about it
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good point
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
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Bit harsh this
The goal rightly stood ( I admit I wasn’t clear on the rule as thought intentional or not if it led to goal it’s chalked off….seems it’s only the goal scorer that this rule is for)
Dan burn should have been off after 25 mins at 1-1 ….its not even a debate , clear 2nd yellow
Ange is rightly facked off with that decision…..playing 10 men with 65 mins to play is a different game altogether
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sir Tottenham of Hotspur (U17379)
posted 2 minutes ago
Yeah Ange is just looking for any excuse and crumb of comfort, first it was tiredness, then it’s injuries, now it’s refs decisions
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Bit harsh this
The goal rightly stood ( I admit I wasn’t clear on the rule as thought intentional or not if it led to goal it’s chalked off….seems it’s only the goal scorer that this rule is for)
Dan burn should have been off after 25 mins at 1-1 ….its not even a debate , clear 2nd yellow
Ange is rightly facked off with that decision…..playing 10 men with 65 mins to play is a different game altogether
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exactly. No doubt for me, Dan Burn should have been sent off, and Joelinton got away with not getting a card issued to him, even 2.
posted 3 weeks ago
Even forgetting about the handball goal, the ref had a complete mare. Burn should have seen red. Astonishing that he wasn't sent off.
posted 3 weeks ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Del Big Ange Postecoglou (U22000)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think it’s one of those that is harsh either way I.e you rule it handball Newcastle will feel aggrieved and you rule it not handball Spurs feel aggrieved.
I was more annoyed that Linton and Burn didn’t get red cards.
How Linton stayed on the pitch is beyond me
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Linton is a massive thug and should have given a yellow card way earlier. He gets away with so many fouls. It's not normal.
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Yep agree - in the first half alone he left one on Porro, cut down Kulu when we were on a counter break and elbowed Bergvall in the head intentionally.
Didn’t even get a yellow card until the second half.
posted 3 weeks ago
Think it's a bizarre rule....but it would appear it was the correct decision.
posted 3 weeks ago
maybe the right decision but imo the ref should blow the whistle right away. The ball was going past the player and his hand while natural still stopped the ball and directly led to a goal.
In my view thats just not right and the rule should change.
posted 3 weeks ago
I think it was a strange decision in the interpretation of the rule. It is always the way with us sadly. No other team in english football as adversely effected as us.
However yesterday Kulu should of given away a penalty which is glossed over.
posted 3 weeks ago
I agree with Ange on this one.
It was a blatant handball. The player had plenty of time to get out of the way, but turned his arm into the ball, and BTW, his arm was not at his side but out a little.
The ref didn't see it because he was already up field. never asked for VAR review when told, so did not judge for himself.
Of course, the ball flew straight off the player's arm back into the Spurs penalty area, and thus the goal was scored.
It is a blatant a handball as can be imagined. Even Sandy agrees!!
And Ange has every right to be upset at this ref.
posted 2 weeks, 6 days ago
The ref was so weak. Dodged decisions and missed several bad challenges while giving NUFC the benefit of the doubt more often than not. I was fuming in the first half.
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