CSS, u muppet!

You judge a manager and a team over a season and BD got NFFC to playoffs, twice, saved us from relegation in 2 and bit seasons!

All teams play bad and get bad results in a season, especially when it's such a small squad!

You people need to look at FACTS and stop telling us BD didn't acheive or wasn't successful!

U need to get REAL

ALSO

I have said on more than one occasion SC, isn't my 1st choice by a long way, but I'm more than happy to give the guy a chance and see what he does on and off the pitch!

If he turns out just to be a YES man, I won't be happy!

I know BD has gone and won't be coming back!

ALSO

I have said on more than one occasion SC, isn't my 1st choice by a long way, but I'm more than happy to give the guy a chance and see what he does on and off the pitch!

If he turns out just to be a YES man, I won't be happy!

I know BD has gone and won't be coming back!

ALSO

LOL

I will still being baying for blood until MA goes at the very least and we some evidence of change or at leat the truth!

So I haven't exactly got what I wished for but 2 out of 3 ain't bad 4 a start!

Here's the problem, ND messed up almightily by sacking a manager at a high point. He ensured that whatever happens in the future BD will never be tainted by it. I wasn't convinced by BD but credit is due to him getting the very best out of what I think is a mediocre squad. He did it by making them work very hard.

His teams never played the football that teams (and peers) like Swansea, Norwich and Blackpool did and they never looked unbeatable. A few games aside (like WBA away) we were a dogged team. I don't think he'd have done as well as he had before but like I said ND didn't give him chance and rightly resigned.

Now you have BD deified and a right royal mess behind him. We've lost money paying off two managers (I don't believe McC took no payoff for a second) and have a worse manager in.

ALSO

None of this sh@t would have happened if ND didn't sack a man who was doing a good job and had a year left on his contract!

You people are so unbeleivale!

AS,
I havn't said that BD didn't achieve or wasn't successful. But I was referring to your stupid comment.

I refer to an earlier post I made;

"The fact is that last season, Forest missed promotion due to a very poor start, 2 wins in 10 or 11, and a poor run of 1 win in 12 in Feb/March and an abysmal effort in the play-offs. This is pretty much identical to the season 09/10. "

I was looking at the facts. It is plain that he only got the best out of the squad for a short period in both seasons.

That is a fact. Check out the results if you don't believe me - and stop being so blind.

Give up on the BD comparisons unless you actually use facts rather than popular folklore.

Lloyd that's a very fair point and I agree about BD's style, it's like Arsenal, would they prefer to win things under Goerge Graham, or play well under Arsene Wenger, it's hard to have both most of the time!

We shall see what SC does for us!

CSS what the hell are u on about!

BD got us 2 two play offs and saved us from relegation, what's ur point!

Yes he made mistakes, but them FACTS speak 4 themselves!

FFS

Stop just picking certain facts that back up you argument, use all the facts please!

I don't why any of you Forest fans argue with me about BD, I mean we've done so well since he was sacked, I can see why you would!

One point I tried to make was whether BD would've got us into the play-offs this season? Serious question. Again credit due to BD for getting the defence to perform as it did but it did because the central midfield would focus on defence too, we were never a creative team or great to watch. I'd swap for what's happening now though. Once again, ND didn't give BD chance and deserves the flak, we'll never know. I don't think we'd have got into the play-offs again but maybe Davies wouldn't have spent out budget on centre mids who can't get into the first team.

Davies' problem is that his teams play a certain way, are effective but don't improve. Look at Derby and PNE when he left. I've never known a team to get rid of a manager as successful though, as much as I don't mind ND you can excuse him here.

Listen they are fair comments and I don't want people thinking I love BD and the man couldn't do no wrong!

I get very angry and frustrated with comments on here by Forest fans who can't appreciate what that man did for us or agree he should of been sacked.

He made mistakes for sure and played negative at times, but overall he got results!

I don't think you can blame him 4 what happens after he leaves a club especially NFFC, although I'm sure Derby fans might disagree, but it was different circumstances!

Prof Reddog - please quote where i said you were an awful team.....i said you were an average champ team.

AS,

I am not just picking facts. You said that BD got the best out of his players. But the facts show that he can only do that for less than half the season. Not good enough, was it?

Just think how where the team would have finished had he got "the best out of the players" for 75% of the season. It is my opinion that nothing will be won when a Manager can only get his team playing for half a season.

Or, think how where the team may have finished had BD not spent half the week in Glasgow!

Having said that, you obviously have lower standards than some of us and you are fully entitled to take that view. It only becomes stupid when you ignore the facts when you come to that view.

Whilst on the subject why do you people ignore the FACT that those two play-off seasons came in ND's time and with a manager that he appointed against the wishes of the majority of fans. The FACTS state that since the low in season 05/06 ND's team has made pretty good progress up the league, culminating in play-offs, twice.

AS, you have admitted that you didn't want BD, but ND (strangely ignoring your opinion) recruited him anyway. When it became clear that BD needed more money than ND was prepared top spend, he had to go.

Nobody is blaming him for what is happening now at Forest but it's true that clubs suffer once he leaves. I'd like a manager to look at developing the club as well as getting results from 11 blokes on the pitch. Davies wasn't interested in any of the youth set up which annoyed ND as he pumps a ton of money in there. Now, there again you can blame ND for hiring the bloke in the first place.

CSS, I'm no great BD fan but think you're stretching things a touch. Looking at the team this season BD is being made to look better and better each week. Now I've said I don't think he'd have done as well as he had done before but you have to give him some credit where it's due.

I've said before I'd be on the phone to Chris Fairclough as if he was defensive coach last season and got our bunch playing so well I'd get him back like a shot.

CSS

I'm not gonna waste my breathe on you, what a complete load of codswollop!

R U even a NFFC fan????????????????????????

Things have changed. He will have to wheel and deal though.

"But the club will back his judgement by giving him complete control over transfers at the club, according to chairman Frank Clark.

Cotterill has been told there is no budget for new players – but also that only he will have the final say over who to target, with the much-maligned acquisitions committee now entirely disbanded."

Toatally agree 100% about CF Lloyd, I don't why they sacked all the backroom staff when SM didn't have his own!

Lloydx, I do give him credit.

I credit him for achieving a very long unbeaten run away from home, despite playing very negatively, I credit him for the two spells in each of the last two seasons, when the team was arguably the best in the division and reaching the play-offs twice running. That is no mean feat and deserves credit. I credit him for the passion he had and for the passion that he encouraged. I credit him for his ambition and I particularly credit him for the way he was able to talk his way out of a poor performance by heaping the blame on to the Board, the opposition's style of play, the weather, etc, in such a way that most fans thought he was faultless.

He was definitely the master of spin. Credit where it is due.

But, I stand by my view that he could have done better with his squad than he did and that is demonstrated by the lack of success he had over the first and last 12 games or so of each season. Indeed SM's start was no worse than BD's last season and SM had only just come into the Club and could have been excused. What was BD's excuse?

I honestly don't think I am stretching anything!

But, my original point was that if BD fans keep comparing SC to BD, by using folklore rather than facts, then SC will never achieve any popularity and I think that is very important at Forest.

I just hope that Aladin and his like, move on and give him a chance.

On the roof: I used artistic license because I think you are simply wrong . We have a team (if not a squad) which can challenge for a playoff place yet again with the right man at the helm to steer them.

I also believe the team is stronger this year and this will be demonstrated over the coming months.

I realise everyone is entitled to their opinions blah blah blah, however, I would just hope that judgements are not meted just yet on a fledgling new regime at the City Ground.

Davies wasn't interested in any of the youth set up which annoyed ND as he pumps a ton of money in there. Now, there again you can blame ND for hiring the bloke in the first place.
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Exactly!

Posted by AS

The appointing of FC is the only good one, but even that, how much say does FC have!
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I think he has had his say already which brings me to your next quote


I have said on more than one occasion SC, isn't my 1st choice by a long way, but I'm more than happy to give the guy a chance and see what he does on and off the pitch!

If he turns out just to be a YES man, I won't be happy!
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He already is because Frank says he will have to wheel and deal if he wants money...... That ok SC?

Yes, boss man Frank.

Good, now get on with your job Steve

CSS

What folklore, try using facts

FFS, u and ur ilk are complete and utter idiots!