As I said earlier. There is a difference between fans and supporters.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have never been to a minimum of 10-20 games in your life, you cannot be a supporter of a team.
Yes people in China etc follow success, but they are fans not supporters, IMO there is a big difference between them and your average match going Chelsea fan or those that went in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc.
Leeds for instance have huge support, but few fans in comparison to Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc.
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
Unlike Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea have a huge working class following, I suspect that is probably why we are called the "Ch avs" or whatever it is you call us. I call it a sleeping fanbase. I remember us taking 6,000 to Preston a few seasons ago for a 12.45pm kick off.
Look at how many West Ham fans came crawling out for Millwall. They could easily have filled a 60,000 seater for that game.
People underestimate Chelsea's support and always have done, same with West Ham. We are supported best when the chips are down, unlike Arsenal and Spurs.
Just my opinion
Unlike Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea have a huge working class following
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what on earth are you talking about??
We are supported best when the chips are down, unlike Arsenal and Spurs.
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less than 10 000 for a prem league game when you were a nobody suggests otherwise.
"less than 10 000 for a prem league game when you were a nobody suggests otherwise."
This.
Chronic
Arsenal got 4,000 for a game against Don Revie's Leeds in the 60s.
QPR AVERAGED 5,000 in 1965
All clubs had periods of poor attendance. Ours happened to come in a midweek game against lower opposition when half our stadium was being rebuilt.
Spurs put their away games to Newcastle and Man Utd on general sale and still couldn't sell out, that would be laughed at down SW6.
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
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We took 5k to Wigan last season
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
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We took 5k to Wigan last season
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in the same week we took 15k to madrid
bubbles your season tickets are available to fans with no loyalty points !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bubbles your season tickets are available to fans with no loyalty points
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The irony is there for all to see
Chronic
They aren't availaible, it means you need 0 points to apply, before you needed around 60 which is a lot, prices have meant many dropped out. If you apply it doesn't mean you will get one.
Spurs do have good support, amongst the best in the country (coming from a Chelsea fan) but I disagree with those that slam our support.
Spurs fans above the age of 40 and below the age of 20 deep down know Chelsea are well supported.
My flatmates mate who is a Wolves ST so has no reason to be biased towards anyone said Chelsea's was amongst the best away support they had last season (in a midweek game which we lost)
Spurs fans above the age of 40 and below the age of 20 deep down know Chelsea are well supported.
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But you said yourself that someone who hasn't been to more than 20 games cannot be considered a true 'supporter'.
You cant say that on one hand and then defend the 90% of your world-wide fanbase that are African
Shelf
90% of our fanbase African? What the hell are you on about?
Being a supporter doesn't make you any less significant than a fan in my view I'm just saying you should judge clubs by
1. Away gates
2. Home gates
Then overall fanbase.
Fulham fill out Craven Cottage near enough every week but no-one is going to tell me they have more fans than Leeds. Leeds take at least 3-4,000 for every away game at Championship level, West Ham similar. These clubs are bigger than Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn etc.
IMO Spurs wouldn't have had the gates they have had if they had to endure long spells of mediocrity like West Ham and to a lesser extent Chelsea.
Way before the gloryhunter period came around, clubs that were winning things always had the highest gates.
In the early years of the 60s, Spurs had the highest gates in the country, no coincidence this came at a time where they had their best team in their history. Same with Arsenal, Throughout the 30s they had by far and away the most support, because they dominated that era.
Towards the late 80s United's attendance began to drop hugely, probably why Sky were introduced but after Italia 90, attendances across the board all soared.
To use an example, pre-WW1 Chelsea averaged the highest attendance in England despite being a division lower than Spurs, Utd etc.
Our highest attendances came before we had ever won a trophy, unlike Spurs.
The truth is, gloryhunters have always existed, it is unfair to limit it just to Asian and African fans because even in this country we have it, hence why Liverpool and United are supported en masse South of England and even moreso in the Midlands
IMO Spurs wouldn't have had the gates they have had if they had to endure long spells of mediocrity like West Ham and to a lesser extent Chelsea.
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They are advertising their tickets in London Underground for Europa league games.. imagine what would be their support if they are in championship.
West Ham in fairness have only suffered around a 1-2k drop in attendance since their relegation, for some games they still get the same as they had in the Prem.
Fair play
The next 4 home games at WHL are on general sale. Imagine the situation if they have a bigger stadium like Chelsea and Arsenal.
And no need to mention about their 32k waiting list.
Holte was right about Spurs attendances and their 15k paying customers.
All clubs are suffering due to recession and price hikes, even United.
It's becoming clearer and clearer that clubs will only sell out (members and ST's) to their biggest rivals and top 6 teams etc.
Spurs game with City went on general sale, which surprised me
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DC5
They all must be plastic fans by your logic.
comment by Jurglenn Klindle (U10317)
And what is your point exactly?
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jurglenn Klindle (U10317)
And what is your point exactly?
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Spurs are relatively...
by Bluejaja (U11272) 18 October 2011
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unknown aside UK!
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night
......
Well said
@ jurglenn,
you forgot Hong Kong
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posted on 18/10/11
As I said earlier. There is a difference between fans and supporters.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have never been to a minimum of 10-20 games in your life, you cannot be a supporter of a team.
Yes people in China etc follow success, but they are fans not supporters, IMO there is a big difference between them and your average match going Chelsea fan or those that went in the 60s, 70s, 80s etc.
Leeds for instance have huge support, but few fans in comparison to Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal etc.
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
Unlike Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea have a huge working class following, I suspect that is probably why we are called the "Ch avs" or whatever it is you call us. I call it a sleeping fanbase. I remember us taking 6,000 to Preston a few seasons ago for a 12.45pm kick off.
Look at how many West Ham fans came crawling out for Millwall. They could easily have filled a 60,000 seater for that game.
People underestimate Chelsea's support and always have done, same with West Ham. We are supported best when the chips are down, unlike Arsenal and Spurs.
Just my opinion
posted on 18/10/11
Unlike Arsenal and Spurs. Chelsea have a huge working class following
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what on earth are you talking about??
posted on 18/10/11
We are supported best when the chips are down, unlike Arsenal and Spurs.
---------
less than 10 000 for a prem league game when you were a nobody suggests otherwise.
posted on 18/10/11
"less than 10 000 for a prem league game when you were a nobody suggests otherwise."
This.
posted on 18/10/11
Chronic
Arsenal got 4,000 for a game against Don Revie's Leeds in the 60s.
QPR AVERAGED 5,000 in 1965
All clubs had periods of poor attendance. Ours happened to come in a midweek game against lower opposition when half our stadium was being rebuilt.
Spurs put their away games to Newcastle and Man Utd on general sale and still couldn't sell out, that would be laughed at down SW6.
posted on 18/10/11
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
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We took 5k to Wigan last season
posted on 18/10/11
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night, as could Newcastle to a lesser extent. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs would not be able to fill the whole Blackburn end or Wigan end for instance, in the same way that City, Everton etc could not fill the same for clubs down south.
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We took 5k to Wigan last season
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in the same week we took 15k to madrid
posted on 18/10/11
Exactly Chronic
posted on 18/10/11
bubbles your season tickets are available to fans with no loyalty points !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
posted on 18/10/11
bubbles your season tickets are available to fans with no loyalty points
--------------------
The irony is there for all to see
posted on 18/10/11
Chronic
They aren't availaible, it means you need 0 points to apply, before you needed around 60 which is a lot, prices have meant many dropped out. If you apply it doesn't mean you will get one.
Spurs do have good support, amongst the best in the country (coming from a Chelsea fan) but I disagree with those that slam our support.
Spurs fans above the age of 40 and below the age of 20 deep down know Chelsea are well supported.
My flatmates mate who is a Wolves ST so has no reason to be biased towards anyone said Chelsea's was amongst the best away support they had last season (in a midweek game which we lost)
posted on 18/10/11
Spurs fans above the age of 40 and below the age of 20 deep down know Chelsea are well supported.
-----------------
But you said yourself that someone who hasn't been to more than 20 games cannot be considered a true 'supporter'.
You cant say that on one hand and then defend the 90% of your world-wide fanbase that are African
posted on 18/10/11
Shelf
90% of our fanbase African? What the hell are you on about?
Being a supporter doesn't make you any less significant than a fan in my view I'm just saying you should judge clubs by
1. Away gates
2. Home gates
Then overall fanbase.
Fulham fill out Craven Cottage near enough every week but no-one is going to tell me they have more fans than Leeds. Leeds take at least 3-4,000 for every away game at Championship level, West Ham similar. These clubs are bigger than Fulham, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn etc.
IMO Spurs wouldn't have had the gates they have had if they had to endure long spells of mediocrity like West Ham and to a lesser extent Chelsea.
Way before the gloryhunter period came around, clubs that were winning things always had the highest gates.
In the early years of the 60s, Spurs had the highest gates in the country, no coincidence this came at a time where they had their best team in their history. Same with Arsenal, Throughout the 30s they had by far and away the most support, because they dominated that era.
Towards the late 80s United's attendance began to drop hugely, probably why Sky were introduced but after Italia 90, attendances across the board all soared.
To use an example, pre-WW1 Chelsea averaged the highest attendance in England despite being a division lower than Spurs, Utd etc.
Our highest attendances came before we had ever won a trophy, unlike Spurs.
The truth is, gloryhunters have always existed, it is unfair to limit it just to Asian and African fans because even in this country we have it, hence why Liverpool and United are supported en masse South of England and even moreso in the Midlands
posted on 18/10/11
IMO Spurs wouldn't have had the gates they have had if they had to endure long spells of mediocrity like West Ham and to a lesser extent Chelsea.
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They are advertising their tickets in London Underground for Europa league games.. imagine what would be their support if they are in championship.
posted on 18/10/11
West Ham in fairness have only suffered around a 1-2k drop in attendance since their relegation, for some games they still get the same as they had in the Prem.
Fair play
posted on 18/10/11
The next 4 home games at WHL are on general sale. Imagine the situation if they have a bigger stadium like Chelsea and Arsenal.
And no need to mention about their 32k waiting list.
Holte was right about Spurs attendances and their 15k paying customers.
posted on 18/10/11
All clubs are suffering due to recession and price hikes, even United.
It's becoming clearer and clearer that clubs will only sell out (members and ST's) to their biggest rivals and top 6 teams etc.
Spurs game with City went on general sale, which surprised me
posted on 18/10/11
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Carlow - For more information on our official supporters club in Carlow, please contact our One Hotspur Membership Office on 0844 844 0102. If you are calling from outside the UK, please call + 44 207 998 1068. Alternatively you can email onehotspur@tottenhamhotspur.com
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posted on 18/10/11
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posted on 18/10/11
DC5
They all must be plastic fans by your logic.
posted on 18/10/11
comment by Jurglenn Klindle (U10317)
And what is your point exactly?
posted on 18/10/11
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Jurglenn Klindle (U10317)
And what is your point exactly?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
See if you can work it out all by yourself.
Spurs are relatively...
by Bluejaja (U11272) 18 October 2011
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
unknown aside UK!
posted on 18/10/11
Leeds could fill any away allocation in the country on any night
......
Well said
posted on 18/10/11
@ jurglenn,
you forgot Hong Kong
posted on 18/10/11
and Brazil
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