Probably didn't get a cut from the war vets.
Because it contravenes their rules on uniform not displaying politicla or religious messages, or some such
Absolutely appalling. It's not only English soldiers that they're honouring but all those who died.
People should complain.
Don't complain, just put the poppies on anyway, s)crew fifa, what are they going to do ban england, that would make them look really good would'nt it. The whole thing behind the poppy is that men gave their lives so we would'nt be governed by some foreign dictator.
The whole thing behind the poppy is that men gave their lives so we would'nt be governed by some foreign dictator.
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Blooming well said sir!
I did an article on the same subject and I'm quite concerned about how apathetic people seem to be about it.
Back in the day people wore poppies to remember the dead soldiers and as a reminder of the futility of war... The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war. Don't wear them, it's anti human.
The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war.
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Since when?
Since when?
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Since quite recently. It can't be denied that the poppy is a political statement. In Northern Ireland in some communities it's actually seen as something that is offensive...
Personally I can understand the need to ban it in order to stay with the guidelines.
The poppy at the moment representents support for troops in an arguably illegal and immoral war.
Whether you agree or not isn't an issue... it's breaks rules. End of story.
comment by Meh™ (U8836)
posted 2 minutes ago
Back in the day people wore poppies to remember the dead soldiers and as a reminder of the futility of war... The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war. Don't wear them, it's anti human.
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The meaning as i see it is to pay respect to the thousands of brave men who gave their lives for their country........."lest we forget"
It can't be denied that the poppy is a political statement.
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I think it can. No political party or government has ever attached a meaning to it as a symbol - if parts of the population have attached a different meaning, it hardly makes it a political statement.
Political statement my Aarse!
It's both - it still honours the memory and sacrifice of those during the World Wars in particular (as well as all the other wars), but now also goes hand in hand with the 'Help for Heroes' campaign, essentially.
If nothing else, the original meaning should not be forgotten. Imagine where we'd be now if Hitler has got his way...
I think it can. No political party or government has ever attached a meaning to it as a symbol - if parts of the population have attached a different meaning, it hardly makes it a political statement.
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An argument can be made either way. Like above, I argue that it can be seen as a political statement. Anything that can cause contention can be seen as a political statement in some cases. For example, would it be bad form to wear a poppy if England where to play Iraq next week in a friendly? I would argue that there would be the possibility that it would incite some offence in certain Iraqi communities. As a result, I think that then you have to say, it can be seen as a political symbol.
I doubt this decision was made without a lot of deep thought... I think it's quite a diplomatic decision.
You say diplomatic, I say short-sighted. That such a rotten and corrupt organisation should care about such a symbol causing offence is really quite laughable.
Lest we forget indeed.
Too right. I wonder how the war veterans and their families feel...
I doubt this decision was made without a lot of deep thought... I think it's quite a diplomatic decision.
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Oh do me favour..........
FIFA rules from an ivory tower in Switzerland, they have absolutely no clue about how significant the poppy is to England
It is so important our government will get involved in this row now, mark my words.
And that will prove interesting considering FIFA rules of government intervention into footballing matters.
I hope our FA make a stand but unlike the men that the poppy is representative of, i don't think they have the guts.
They won´t need to, this is a state issue, and the government will be involved.
People need to understand that Rememberance Sunday and this whole time of year is the very essence of our current generation.
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posted on 5/11/11
For what reason?
posted on 5/11/11
Probably didn't get a cut from the war vets.
posted on 5/11/11
Because it contravenes their rules on uniform not displaying politicla or religious messages, or some such
posted on 5/11/11
Absolutely appalling. It's not only English soldiers that they're honouring but all those who died.
People should complain.
posted on 5/11/11
Don't complain, just put the poppies on anyway, s)crew fifa, what are they going to do ban england, that would make them look really good would'nt it. The whole thing behind the poppy is that men gave their lives so we would'nt be governed by some foreign dictator.
posted on 5/11/11
The whole thing behind the poppy is that men gave their lives so we would'nt be governed by some foreign dictator.
-------------------------------------------
Blooming well said sir!
I did an article on the same subject and I'm quite concerned about how apathetic people seem to be about it.
posted on 5/11/11
Back in the day people wore poppies to remember the dead soldiers and as a reminder of the futility of war... The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war. Don't wear them, it's anti human.
posted on 5/11/11
The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war.
---------------------------------------------
Since when?
posted on 5/11/11
Since when?
------------------------
Since quite recently. It can't be denied that the poppy is a political statement. In Northern Ireland in some communities it's actually seen as something that is offensive...
Personally I can understand the need to ban it in order to stay with the guidelines.
The poppy at the moment representents support for troops in an arguably illegal and immoral war.
Whether you agree or not isn't an issue... it's breaks rules. End of story.
posted on 5/11/11
comment by Meh™ (U8836)
posted 2 minutes ago
Back in the day people wore poppies to remember the dead soldiers and as a reminder of the futility of war... The meaning has changed to supporting the troops at war. Don't wear them, it's anti human.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The meaning as i see it is to pay respect to the thousands of brave men who gave their lives for their country........."lest we forget"
posted on 5/11/11
It can't be denied that the poppy is a political statement.
---------------------------------------------
I think it can. No political party or government has ever attached a meaning to it as a symbol - if parts of the population have attached a different meaning, it hardly makes it a political statement.
posted on 5/11/11
Political statement my Aarse!
posted on 5/11/11
It's both - it still honours the memory and sacrifice of those during the World Wars in particular (as well as all the other wars), but now also goes hand in hand with the 'Help for Heroes' campaign, essentially.
If nothing else, the original meaning should not be forgotten. Imagine where we'd be now if Hitler has got his way...
posted on 5/11/11
I think it can. No political party or government has ever attached a meaning to it as a symbol - if parts of the population have attached a different meaning, it hardly makes it a political statement.
-------------------------------------------
An argument can be made either way. Like above, I argue that it can be seen as a political statement. Anything that can cause contention can be seen as a political statement in some cases. For example, would it be bad form to wear a poppy if England where to play Iraq next week in a friendly? I would argue that there would be the possibility that it would incite some offence in certain Iraqi communities. As a result, I think that then you have to say, it can be seen as a political symbol.
I doubt this decision was made without a lot of deep thought... I think it's quite a diplomatic decision.
posted on 5/11/11
You say diplomatic, I say short-sighted. That such a rotten and corrupt organisation should care about such a symbol causing offence is really quite laughable.
Lest we forget indeed.
posted on 5/11/11
Too right. I wonder how the war veterans and their families feel...
posted on 5/11/11
I doubt this decision was made without a lot of deep thought... I think it's quite a diplomatic decision.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Oh do me favour..........
FIFA rules from an ivory tower in Switzerland, they have absolutely no clue about how significant the poppy is to England
It is so important our government will get involved in this row now, mark my words.
And that will prove interesting considering FIFA rules of government intervention into footballing matters.
posted on 5/11/11
I hope our FA make a stand but unlike the men that the poppy is representative of, i don't think they have the guts.
posted on 5/11/11
They won´t need to, this is a state issue, and the government will be involved.
People need to understand that Rememberance Sunday and this whole time of year is the very essence of our current generation.
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