So in this article you come and tell us all what our response would be and then basically do what your accusing us of, casting up about a change of club name in 1994
Are u not forgetting if u go into administration, you won't be able to claim European money for 3 years. Unfortunately for the gers you don't go into admin then walk away as if nothing has happened. And I for one would be upset if that happened. I don't think football fans who paid their money and supported their team should be punished because if one man's ego and stupidity.
Exactly if rangers go into administration it'll be the fault of the chairman and the board. Of course your rival fans are going to rib you about that, I'm sure it'd be the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
If we lose the tax case, things will be a lot worse than you seem to think they will mate.
10 points is the automatic penalty for going into adminsitration.
If the only way out of administration is Rangers being reborn as a new club/company, that new club/company then has to take the old Rangers place in the SPL, and that if transfer has to happen, the SPL rules state a further 15 points can be deducted.
So it could be a 25 point deduction....and thats just the points situation, we could lose players and all sorts in the time it takes to sort everything out and get the club back on its feet again......it wont just be administration one day, out of it the next which you seem to be implying here, not a chance!
Think the op has been misinformed somewhat. Ooffftt
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New company, New history.
Year zero my friend. End of the road, no more than fifty-four.
admin doesnt mean we lose our titles. Only if we go bust and a phoenix club is created would that happen.
Even then, we will still be rangers. Think leeds utd in 2007. Everybody still thinks of them as same team. Only desperado bhoys wouldnt count the titles.
Did you fail so badly in your earlier article that you had to try another point scoring excercise
Everybody still thinks of them as same team. Only desperado bhoys wouldnt count the titles.
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FIFA or UEFA wouldnt. You would be a different club with a different name and you wouldnt be allowed in Europe for 3 years. Why would this happen if its only Celtic fans saying you're a different team? Its because any new club has to be registered with its league for 3 years. How could a club have won any title in a league it was not previously registered in?
CelticDavie1888
Your post was pretty decent up until the last sentence.
A club that takes on the strip, stadium, name and fan base of the club that folded.....will be seen as the same club with a new name....nothing more.
Uefa have their sanctons and rules, we will have to see that period out.....but at the end of the day, in the hearts and minds of anyone who knows anything about football....Rangers, Rangers United, Glasgow Rangers, Rangers AFC....whatever.....will always be Rangers!!
There's a nightclub down where I live that has been renamed, done up, rebranded and all sorts about 3 or 4 times in the last 10-15 years or so......even though it says something entirely different above the door, every single person that I know still calls it by its originial name, even the young nipper snappers that were in nappies when the place opened originally.
Ranges will always be Rangers...any club that plays thier home matches at Ibrox in a blue strip......will be Rangers
rangers fans are hilarious, and they dont even know it where were they when common sense was being dished out? end of the queue?
not a clue between them what administration actually would mean to their team...
Stevie - You would be a new club who purchased the assets from a defunct one. You would only be the same club in the eyes of your supporters. It doesnt matter what people call it, in the eyes of the Government, Companies House, all your creditors, UEFA, SPL, SFA and of course Celtic fans you would be a different company trading under a different name. A company formed in 2011 cant talk about 100+ years of proud history. Maybe if your 54 titles were shown on the balance sheet your new club could purchase them, but they're not. 42-0
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Let's admit it - we're all full of sho!te on this one. Celtic fans are of course taking the pash out of Rangers and talking of admin and Rangers going burst. On the other hand Rangers fans are pretending this doesn't scare the pants off them when the reality is they are worried about their club's future. Truth is only a few inside Rangers and the Tax people know what's really going on.
truth is we are top of the league and your no...rangers fans cant do anything else but wait and see what happens...if any one is praying its the celtic fans..they have no other hope...as much as the situation is embarrassing for us...how embarrassing is it for the timms....and if we win it you will have NOTHING
"It doesnt matter what people call it, in the eyes of the Government, Companies House, all your creditors, UEFA, SPL, SFA and of course Celtic fans you would be a different company trading under a different name."
Here's me thinking fans, you know football fans....thought of football clubs as precisely that...a club.....not a business, or a company.
Would the old firm rivalry completely die if Rangers folded and came back under a different name??? Course it bloody wouldnt!!!
Are you going to sit there and tell me that Celtic fans would have no reason whatsoever to regards Rangers AFC as their oldest rivals because "the name" is different, because they are a different company??? Does give me such tosh!!!
Course you'd be our rivals Stevie, you'd still be a team from Glasgow playing in the same division and you'd still be challenging for the same trophies we are. Did I even mention the rivalry would disappear? Nope.
A football club is a business, different from most but a business all the same. You cant just run it into the ground attempting to win trophies and then still count these when the a new club is required to replace the defunct one. Start afresh with your liabilites in this way then you have to start afresh with your achievements. Sure you'll still be able to remember a lot of them but that club no longer exists. "The worlds most successful club" would be no more.
"Course you'd be our rivals Stevie, you'd still be a team from Glasgow playing in the same division and you'd still be challenging for the same trophies we are"...and if Partick Thistle were bought by a multi billionaire, they ascended to the top of the SPL, they were challenging for the same trophies Celtic were....would the rivalry with them be as intense???
Didnt think so.
You've not been thinking much have you? Again I'll ask where did I say the rivalry would disappear with your club? A new club would have the same fans as the old one and since rivalry is acted out through the fans this would not change.
But hypothetically speaking, if Rangers did cease to exist and no new club was formed, Thistle were bought by a billionaire and were awesome and your fans shifted to the red and yellow of Glasgow then given enough time the rivalry would get there. Enough years with only 2 teams winning things will do that. The new Thistle fans would still hate Celtic as much and I reckon we'll grow to hate the red and yellow almost as much as the blue.
Right so now its all about the fans?
How have I not been thinking much.
You are sitting there telling me that if Rangers dies, everything that was Rangers dies with it....the history, the heritage, the acheivements....everything!
The old firm rivalry will still exist if Rangers in ANY form still exists, this is the point being made.....you cant say everything about the old Rangers will die if you are not prepared to say the old firm rivalry will also die........the old firm rivalry will always exist if ther is a Celtic and a rangers, in any shape or form, this is the point, and as long as the old firm rivalry exists, the old Rangers or the old Celtic will never die!!
A rivalry with another club will not be the old firm rivalry, it will be a different rivalry, because the reasons for that rivalry existing will be different from the ones that fuel the old firm rivalry...the old firm rivalry can only exist between Celtic and Rangers, and the old firm rivalry will still exist if ANY form of a Rangers football club, playing at Ibrox, wearing blue, being followed by the same fans....still exists!!
You can bullchit your way about and around that all you want, but that is the truth of the matter, and that is why you cant sit there and write off everything about the old Rangers if you are still going to hate any form of Rangers for the same reasons!!
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posted on 8/11/11
So in this article you come and tell us all what our response would be and then basically do what your accusing us of, casting up about a change of club name in 1994
posted on 8/11/11
Are u not forgetting if u go into administration, you won't be able to claim European money for 3 years. Unfortunately for the gers you don't go into admin then walk away as if nothing has happened. And I for one would be upset if that happened. I don't think football fans who paid their money and supported their team should be punished because if one man's ego and stupidity.
posted on 8/11/11
Exactly if rangers go into administration it'll be the fault of the chairman and the board. Of course your rival fans are going to rib you about that, I'm sure it'd be the same if the shoe was on the other foot.
posted on 8/11/11
If we lose the tax case, things will be a lot worse than you seem to think they will mate.
10 points is the automatic penalty for going into adminsitration.
If the only way out of administration is Rangers being reborn as a new club/company, that new club/company then has to take the old Rangers place in the SPL, and that if transfer has to happen, the SPL rules state a further 15 points can be deducted.
So it could be a 25 point deduction....and thats just the points situation, we could lose players and all sorts in the time it takes to sort everything out and get the club back on its feet again......it wont just be administration one day, out of it the next which you seem to be implying here, not a chance!
posted on 8/11/11
Think the op has been misinformed somewhat. Ooffftt
posted on 8/11/11
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posted on 8/11/11
New company, New history.
Year zero my friend. End of the road, no more than fifty-four.
posted on 8/11/11
admin doesnt mean we lose our titles. Only if we go bust and a phoenix club is created would that happen.
Even then, we will still be rangers. Think leeds utd in 2007. Everybody still thinks of them as same team. Only desperado bhoys wouldnt count the titles.
posted on 8/11/11
Did you fail so badly in your earlier article that you had to try another point scoring excercise
posted on 8/11/11
Everybody still thinks of them as same team. Only desperado bhoys wouldnt count the titles.
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FIFA or UEFA wouldnt. You would be a different club with a different name and you wouldnt be allowed in Europe for 3 years. Why would this happen if its only Celtic fans saying you're a different team? Its because any new club has to be registered with its league for 3 years. How could a club have won any title in a league it was not previously registered in?
posted on 8/11/11
CelticDavie1888
Your post was pretty decent up until the last sentence.
A club that takes on the strip, stadium, name and fan base of the club that folded.....will be seen as the same club with a new name....nothing more.
Uefa have their sanctons and rules, we will have to see that period out.....but at the end of the day, in the hearts and minds of anyone who knows anything about football....Rangers, Rangers United, Glasgow Rangers, Rangers AFC....whatever.....will always be Rangers!!
There's a nightclub down where I live that has been renamed, done up, rebranded and all sorts about 3 or 4 times in the last 10-15 years or so......even though it says something entirely different above the door, every single person that I know still calls it by its originial name, even the young nipper snappers that were in nappies when the place opened originally.
Ranges will always be Rangers...any club that plays thier home matches at Ibrox in a blue strip......will be Rangers
posted on 8/11/11
rangers fans are hilarious, and they dont even know it where were they when common sense was being dished out? end of the queue?
not a clue between them what administration actually would mean to their team...
posted on 8/11/11
Stevie - You would be a new club who purchased the assets from a defunct one. You would only be the same club in the eyes of your supporters. It doesnt matter what people call it, in the eyes of the Government, Companies House, all your creditors, UEFA, SPL, SFA and of course Celtic fans you would be a different company trading under a different name. A company formed in 2011 cant talk about 100+ years of proud history. Maybe if your 54 titles were shown on the balance sheet your new club could purchase them, but they're not. 42-0
posted on 8/11/11
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posted on 8/11/11
Let's admit it - we're all full of sho!te on this one. Celtic fans are of course taking the pash out of Rangers and talking of admin and Rangers going burst. On the other hand Rangers fans are pretending this doesn't scare the pants off them when the reality is they are worried about their club's future. Truth is only a few inside Rangers and the Tax people know what's really going on.
posted on 8/11/11
truth is we are top of the league and your no...rangers fans cant do anything else but wait and see what happens...if any one is praying its the celtic fans..they have no other hope...as much as the situation is embarrassing for us...how embarrassing is it for the timms....and if we win it you will have NOTHING
posted on 9/11/11
"It doesnt matter what people call it, in the eyes of the Government, Companies House, all your creditors, UEFA, SPL, SFA and of course Celtic fans you would be a different company trading under a different name."
Here's me thinking fans, you know football fans....thought of football clubs as precisely that...a club.....not a business, or a company.
Would the old firm rivalry completely die if Rangers folded and came back under a different name??? Course it bloody wouldnt!!!
Are you going to sit there and tell me that Celtic fans would have no reason whatsoever to regards Rangers AFC as their oldest rivals because "the name" is different, because they are a different company??? Does give me such tosh!!!
posted on 9/11/11
Course you'd be our rivals Stevie, you'd still be a team from Glasgow playing in the same division and you'd still be challenging for the same trophies we are. Did I even mention the rivalry would disappear? Nope.
A football club is a business, different from most but a business all the same. You cant just run it into the ground attempting to win trophies and then still count these when the a new club is required to replace the defunct one. Start afresh with your liabilites in this way then you have to start afresh with your achievements. Sure you'll still be able to remember a lot of them but that club no longer exists. "The worlds most successful club" would be no more.
posted on 9/11/11
posted on 9/11/11
"Course you'd be our rivals Stevie, you'd still be a team from Glasgow playing in the same division and you'd still be challenging for the same trophies we are"...and if Partick Thistle were bought by a multi billionaire, they ascended to the top of the SPL, they were challenging for the same trophies Celtic were....would the rivalry with them be as intense???
Didnt think so.
posted on 9/11/11
You've not been thinking much have you? Again I'll ask where did I say the rivalry would disappear with your club? A new club would have the same fans as the old one and since rivalry is acted out through the fans this would not change.
But hypothetically speaking, if Rangers did cease to exist and no new club was formed, Thistle were bought by a billionaire and were awesome and your fans shifted to the red and yellow of Glasgow then given enough time the rivalry would get there. Enough years with only 2 teams winning things will do that. The new Thistle fans would still hate Celtic as much and I reckon we'll grow to hate the red and yellow almost as much as the blue.
posted on 10/11/11
Right so now its all about the fans?
How have I not been thinking much.
You are sitting there telling me that if Rangers dies, everything that was Rangers dies with it....the history, the heritage, the acheivements....everything!
The old firm rivalry will still exist if Rangers in ANY form still exists, this is the point being made.....you cant say everything about the old Rangers will die if you are not prepared to say the old firm rivalry will also die........the old firm rivalry will always exist if ther is a Celtic and a rangers, in any shape or form, this is the point, and as long as the old firm rivalry exists, the old Rangers or the old Celtic will never die!!
A rivalry with another club will not be the old firm rivalry, it will be a different rivalry, because the reasons for that rivalry existing will be different from the ones that fuel the old firm rivalry...the old firm rivalry can only exist between Celtic and Rangers, and the old firm rivalry will still exist if ANY form of a Rangers football club, playing at Ibrox, wearing blue, being followed by the same fans....still exists!!
You can bullchit your way about and around that all you want, but that is the truth of the matter, and that is why you cant sit there and write off everything about the old Rangers if you are still going to hate any form of Rangers for the same reasons!!
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