Because they all play football instead of manage up until they're 80 but say they're 21??

Agreed, it's a ridiculous idea that someone should be appointed based on his skin colour.

It's not anyone's fault that a manager who just so happens to be black is not good enough for the managers job of a PL team

can anyone actually name a good black manager in the world

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can anyone actually name a black lib dem mp

Premeirship clubs generally employ managers that have done well elsewhere...

You would need lots of managers doing well in the lower leagues and foriegn leagues before you had them in the premiership...

Or should premiership clubs just start hiring ex football players straight into the manager role based on their skin colour ?

i loved john barnes ghod

nah obviously not any black managers in scotland because there is not may black people but in englad you wuld expect a few more

would be interesting to know how many black players go into the coaching stages compared to white players

maybe not enough are trying

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Maybe it's cultural - 7/20 are Scottish in the Epl.

Given the amount of asians in the UK, does that mean we should be seeing more of them on the football pitches too? I think it's more down to ability in all honesty. Are there actually budding black managers out there who want to actually want to manage a league club? From what he's saying, there must be loads of black people who have the qualifications to be a manager at the top level just sitting on the dole queue. I doubt that's really the case! Which other European countries have a high number of black managers operating in their top leagues?

Yet again, another out of touch poitician trying to score brownie points with the minorities!

but look at the african countries, the majority employ white overseas managers. that tells me that the talent isn't there in their own country

I suppose my question is. How many black football players want to become managers after playing football and how many black people are trying to brome managers but not getting job.

So I suppose my question boils down to how many black football managers are out of jobs?

I also agree it's ridiculous, how many black mps are there? maybe nick clegg should worry about that considering working in government is far more
Important than working in football

frank rjikaard and chris hughton ? albeit half cast or w.e you say.

OP isn't racist. But JackyRambo's comment is at best stupid.

Personally, I don't know enough about the inside of FC boardrooms to say whether there is a problem with giving black managers a chance or just not enough quality candidates coming through. To test it, you'd have to do an experiment sending identically qualified / experienced applications from black and white individuals to a large sample of clubs and see how many of each group got to the interview stage. I'm willing to entertain the idea that there are a number of old bigots running clubs and it's possible that some of them don't have an open mind about a black person's intelligence. But we don't have evidence to state this is the case.

My best guess (and it's just a guess) is that there probably isn't a significant amount of active racial discrimination; that there may be a bit of subconscious racially informed 'doesn't have what it takes' working against black applicants; but that the a bigger problem is more one of class / education, i.e. that most black footballers (along with a lot of working class white footballers) don't have the educational opportunities and develop the communication / analytical skills that a good manager needs.

I believe that if our development of young footballers put more emphasis on educational achievement (as well as more on technical skills) and more generally if our system achieved better results among the poorest areas of the country, then we'd have more black managers.

Like the OP, I see meritocracy as the best way forward. But I think you see a true meritocracy when everyone has a great start in life and the chance to realise their talents. It seems a bit complacent to say "a disproportionately small number of black candidates are making it because the candidates aren't good enough". That doesn't ring true to me. I was lucky enough to have good educational opportunities that set me up well in life. At the company I work for there's a girl who grew up on the wrong side of town, so to speak, went to a rubbish school, came out with no qualifications and is at the bottom of the pile in the company. The thing is, she is really bright and has a lot of potential but she's stuck in her junior admin job, keeps getting overlooked for pay rises and extra responsibilities. I don't think I'm more intelligent than her but I earn three times as much as her and the boss doesn't treat me like dirt as he does her. I'm pretty sure the roles would be reversed if we'd been swapped at birth. To me that isn't a true meritocracy.

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can anyone actually name a black lib dem mp


Beat me to it!

Its down to talent and the black players havent been on the scene as long as the england germany south americans etc. they are still developing into the game in terms of numbers.

we are seeing more and more of them and some of them are up among the worlds best etoo drogba etc.

most managers are probably 50 + also which means they were playing football or involved with it 20 odd years ago, how many talented black people played back then? since then things have changed its a lot easier for them now ok racism still exists i believe it always will but not to the extent of what it used to.

i believe we will see many black managers soon they just still catching up.

No harm in encouraging it, i heard thierry henry wants a coaching role at arsenal?

Apparently 25% of professional footballers are black; considering the proportion of black people in the UK is about 3% shouldn't we be questioning why not enough white people are getting employed as footballers?!

2 black managers amoung 92 clubs equals 2.17%, which is pretty close to the percentage of black people in society, so what's the problem?

Wild_ Rover (U5211)

"look at the african countries, the majority employ white overseas managers. that tells me that the talent isn't there in their own country"

I don't think it's fair to say that they don't have the talent, just that they don't have the infrastructure and development. Football arrived in Africa later than it was exported around Europe and to South America by the English and Scots. In the first few decades of football in those parts of the world, football was a British game and it tended to be Brits who taught it to the locals. In Italy 'mister' is a colloquialism for 'manager' because in the old days the manager of an FC tended to be a British import. We used to send middle-ranking English clubs to South America to play exhibition matches. It would seem preposterous to make the argument today that Italians and Argentines don't have enough talent for the game, but I expect some people believed that a few generations ago.

Lambsy

It's not necessarily a problem - unless it turns out that a disproportionate number of well qualified black applicants are getting turned down. I don't know if that's the case, since I don't see the CVs. But I'm certain that more than 2% of applications are from black candidates.

I think it was Brendon Batson who explained that on the FA coaching courses will have about 20 ex pros enrolling at the beginning of which maybe 1 or 2 are black ,and as the course goes on, people drop out and only about 5-6 will actually finish which decreases the chance of a black manager even getting the right qualification.

On the flip side, if you are black and living in Britain you learn to read between the lines before you can read, and despite the good work being done by various groups and more liberal views (in general) in this country things aren't equal for black and white people, so the 'if you've got the ability you will get the job' argument is a bit naive in my opinion.

I think Clegg is being Naïve – we have chairman who will part with millions of pounds to fire a manager in order to bring in another to win trophies or avoid relegation – does he seriously believe that chairman will put colour in the way of achieving success or making money??!

The issue isn’t the appointment it’s the training the options available at lower levels – which is more of an FA issue than a premier league one

pretty much every club owner employs black players in england so wheres the proof they are against employing black managers? theres just a lack of them who are qualified enough.

in England we always think the worste of people

As a point of order according to the 2001 Census the 'non-white' population of UK was 8%. The 'non-white' population grew from 3.0 million in 1991 to 4.6 million in 2001, a rise of 53 per cent. So, at this growth rate, since 2001 the latest 2011 Census could show that there are currently c.12%+ 'non-white' residents in the UK.

They are happy enough to employ black players because there are some good talented black players around. Im sure they would be happy employing a black manager if he had all the qualification and had success in lower leagues or w.e.

im 22 and the only 2 black managers i recall in my time of following the EPL are ince and hughton, ince didnt cut it and was rightly replaced and hughton was stabbed in the back as far as im concerned.

but to get there, hughton had to win promotion with newcastle himself. Ince had some good success with MK dons he deserved his shot albeit it short in the EPL.