Well you see its not actually been proven . but you know that? but your just a dic.. I feel sorry for your mother...
knowitall - the personal jibes wont disguise that LFC backed a guy who used a racial slur
comment by Know-it-all (U7287) posted 3 minutes ago
I think Spurs are deluded i dont think youve actually achieved anything?
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you're right. We have achieved significant progress but not sustained success...we are a wrok in progress.....
but what does that have to do with the Suarez case, or are you just lashing out because you cannot make an intelligent argument!
Long day for the admins today.
Odds on a Suarez hat trick tonight with Paddy power 12/1???
Know-it-all
What an ironic user name…
That aside, what posters have being trying to explain to you as that based on all the available evidence from all parties, an INDEPENDENT commission has been presented with enough evidence to find Suarez guilty.
The investigation lasted over a month so you can conclude that it has been thorough.
I suspect however that given their stance pre and post verdict, Liverpool will have no option but to lodge an appeal.
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
I wonder if they were dragged into court and convicted on the strength of one mans word, a man that has previously falsely accused others of racism, would they just accept it?
no i just like to laugh at a team thats actually as won nothing but somehow thinks they are world beaters.
Oh and another thing your just anti Liverpool .so am anti spurs. Not the genuine fans i wish them all the sucess. ..
Know-it-all
Not guessing, it's just that a different level of proof is needed, it works the same way in any work based setting.
You can be sacked from work for theft even if there was not a level of evidence that would allow the police to charge you.
Look at O.J Simpson, found not guilty in a criminal court, but ordered to pay compensation for murder after a cival action.
It means John Terry may be found guilty by the F.A, while at the same time the police may decide they lack evidence to bring him to court.
Lads guilty! its been proven
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Nice to see how much you respect the FA's judgement. I hope that will extend to you never questioning their officials decisions again when it's to the detriment of your club.
Taggart3D ⒹⒶⓁⒼⓁⒾⓈⒽ (U1183)
posted 1 minute ago
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
I wonder if they were dragged into court and convicted on the strength of one mans word, a man that has previously falsely accused others of racism, would they just accept it?
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His word against a man who has already served a 7 match ban for biting, who can you trust????
comment by Know-it-all (U7287) posted 8 seconds ago
no i just like to laugh at a team thats actually as won nothing but somehow thinks they are world beaters.
Oh and another thing your just anti Liverpool .so am anti spurs. Not the genuine fans i wish them all the sucess. ..
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Well i hope that makes you happy
How ironic that a Liverpool fan would try to use history.
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You're joking right? It's all they have.
His word against a man who has already served a 7 match ban for biting, who can you trust????
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Here goes Rumpole of the Bailey He must be guilty he got banned for something else a while back.
Aggers...
It was an INDEPENDENT panel, headed by a QC (Queen's Counsel).
QC's are not in the business of making ill-considered decisions based on no evidence because their credibility is at stake and thus their career!
While it may still be a challengable decision, it is a blinkered view to consider this is some sort of FA conspiracy. The FA are merely taking the Panel's recommendations and that panel was probably independently appoint by the Law Society or some similar body!
Tkot thats where sacking for unfair dismissal comes in. If your sacked for reasons of being labelled a theif you can also take your employer to court for libel..
Listen, I have no respect for the FA and think they are unfit for purpose in most areas of their remit. However, in this case (and JTs if proven) I fully support this ban. The judgement will not have been taken as lightly as a lot of Liverpool fans on here would have us believe.I read Devonshirespur comments earlier on regarding probably process and I believe the Liverpool statement is intentionally debasing what was more than likely a thorough and vigorous investigation, with the intention of trying to protect their player. Poor show IMO, they are treading a very fine line between validating or excusing racist comments. They should just accept it and move on for the good of football. They are not going to come out of this in a good light.
I think I'll reserve judgement on condemning a man found guilty by a supposed independent panel until a transcript comes out.
"Denis Smith was the Wrexham manager between 2001-07, while Darren Ferguson, son of the Manchester United manager, was a key member of his squad.
Even more eye catching was Smith’s autobiography, published in 2009, where he claimed he took pride in playing a part in helping Ferguson keep his United job in 1989, as revealed in Jaimie Kanwar's blog"
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I don't condone abuse of any race and if Luis is guilty of using such terms then a ban or fine is justified. There is a strong smell of double standards if Evra used Suarez's ethnic origin to equally verbally abuse him. The FA is full of double standards.
There was always been an agenda from the FA to make a stand because of Blatters comments and their dislike of FIFA. unfortunately Suarez was the first case to be heard afte that.
I doubt however they would dish out such a large ban to Terry as it would be such a major problem for the England captain and leave egg all over there face.
Know-it-all
Well you would go to an employment tribunal first (as Luis kind of is with any appeal), but if you lost that you would have very little chance in a libel case.
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
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We don't. We have been royally flucked over by the FA more times than any other club, fact, even having new rule made to ban Rooney last season, even though Kenny was also caught on camera swearing to Wenger.
If LFC want to come out of this with any credibility left in the game at all, they should stop playing the victim card, and 'houllier than thou' attitude and see the issue for what it is,
Suarez has played in Europe for 5 years, he has become accustomed to European traditions and culture and way of living, hell, he even captained AJAX.
He then new full well, that by saying that racially motivated slur to Evra that it was wrong, but unbeknown to him, Evra did the right thing and went to the officials, and Suarez didn't think Evra would say anything.
He then goes away with Uruguay and says that he did infact call Evra a word and then says it was a term of endearment
HE then comes back and has his manager back him to hilt (which you'd expect from any manger) but has been playing the ignorance card on the grounds of culture.
He deserves his ban and needs to understand when in England, live by English rules, and LFC should feel ashamed that the're even considering an appeal!
Know it all
Think it is best we leave it there as the saying goes:
Do not argue with an idiot. He will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
But i wouldnt lose in the sense if someone called me a theif and didnt back it up with evidence.. I can get them on deformation of character.
I just have issues on how someone can be banned on diddly squat evidence.. one mans word over another.. But thats the FA
Ok stuart i wont argue with you
So if Suarez, whilst being part black can't say the 'n-word' then why can Evra? Double standards. One plays for United, one for Liverpool. You work it out.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16262537.stm
Read Tim vickerys column from BBC best piece I've read on it.
Fa have taken the stance that whatever the connotation or cultural perspective when colour is referenced in a comment from one player to another it is deemed a rascist slur and will be punished.
Weather you believe Suarez is rascist is down to your own interpretation, people will say club alliegence won't come into their argument but it naturally will.
Wether Suarez had any rascial intent in his comments is not the crux of the case, his comment referenced colour and the fa have judged that to be the point, on appeal the ban may be reduced due to the intricacies of the case but the fa are making a point, any comments where a persons colour is refered to in a negative (open to interpretation) way will be deemed a rascial slur.
Aggers...
It was an INDEPENDENT panel, headed by a QC (Queen's Counsel).
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Devonshire
I appreciate your post, and you've shed a bit more light on the subject.
If what you say is true, to me if the FA are not going to deal with the issue themselves then surely it's a matter for the police?
I have a feeling that John Terry will never have to face up to a hearing for his alleged racial abuse of Anton Ferdinand because of a reluctance by the police to open up a very big can of worms.
Instead the FA have hired a judge and jury to make Luis face a punishment that I believe to be over the top.
These issues need to be handled more consistently in my view.
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posted on 21/12/11
Well you see its not actually been proven . but you know that? but your just a dic.. I feel sorry for your mother...
posted on 21/12/11
knowitall - the personal jibes wont disguise that LFC backed a guy who used a racial slur
posted on 21/12/11
comment by Know-it-all (U7287) posted 3 minutes ago
I think Spurs are deluded i dont think youve actually achieved anything?
- - - -
you're right. We have achieved significant progress but not sustained success...we are a wrok in progress.....
but what does that have to do with the Suarez case, or are you just lashing out because you cannot make an intelligent argument!
posted on 21/12/11
Long day for the admins today.
Odds on a Suarez hat trick tonight with Paddy power 12/1???
posted on 21/12/11
Know-it-all
What an ironic user name…
That aside, what posters have being trying to explain to you as that based on all the available evidence from all parties, an INDEPENDENT commission has been presented with enough evidence to find Suarez guilty.
The investigation lasted over a month so you can conclude that it has been thorough.
I suspect however that given their stance pre and post verdict, Liverpool will have no option but to lodge an appeal.
posted on 21/12/11
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
I wonder if they were dragged into court and convicted on the strength of one mans word, a man that has previously falsely accused others of racism, would they just accept it?
posted on 21/12/11
no i just like to laugh at a team thats actually as won nothing but somehow thinks they are world beaters.
Oh and another thing your just anti Liverpool .so am anti spurs. Not the genuine fans i wish them all the sucess. ..
posted on 21/12/11
Know-it-all
Not guessing, it's just that a different level of proof is needed, it works the same way in any work based setting.
You can be sacked from work for theft even if there was not a level of evidence that would allow the police to charge you.
Look at O.J Simpson, found not guilty in a criminal court, but ordered to pay compensation for murder after a cival action.
It means John Terry may be found guilty by the F.A, while at the same time the police may decide they lack evidence to bring him to court.
posted on 21/12/11
Lads guilty! its been proven
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Nice to see how much you respect the FA's judgement. I hope that will extend to you never questioning their officials decisions again when it's to the detriment of your club.
posted on 21/12/11
Taggart3D ⒹⒶⓁⒼⓁⒾⓈⒽ (U1183)
posted 1 minute ago
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
I wonder if they were dragged into court and convicted on the strength of one mans word, a man that has previously falsely accused others of racism, would they just accept it?
==================
His word against a man who has already served a 7 match ban for biting, who can you trust????
posted on 21/12/11
comment by Know-it-all (U7287) posted 8 seconds ago
no i just like to laugh at a team thats actually as won nothing but somehow thinks they are world beaters.
Oh and another thing your just anti Liverpool .so am anti spurs. Not the genuine fans i wish them all the sucess. ..
-------
Well i hope that makes you happy
posted on 21/12/11
How ironic that a Liverpool fan would try to use history.
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You're joking right? It's all they have.
posted on 21/12/11
His word against a man who has already served a 7 match ban for biting, who can you trust????
-----------------------
Here goes Rumpole of the Bailey He must be guilty he got banned for something else a while back.
posted on 21/12/11
Aggers...
It was an INDEPENDENT panel, headed by a QC (Queen's Counsel).
QC's are not in the business of making ill-considered decisions based on no evidence because their credibility is at stake and thus their career!
While it may still be a challengable decision, it is a blinkered view to consider this is some sort of FA conspiracy. The FA are merely taking the Panel's recommendations and that panel was probably independently appoint by the Law Society or some similar body!
posted on 21/12/11
Tkot thats where sacking for unfair dismissal comes in. If your sacked for reasons of being labelled a theif you can also take your employer to court for libel..
posted on 21/12/11
Listen, I have no respect for the FA and think they are unfit for purpose in most areas of their remit. However, in this case (and JTs if proven) I fully support this ban. The judgement will not have been taken as lightly as a lot of Liverpool fans on here would have us believe.I read Devonshirespur comments earlier on regarding probably process and I believe the Liverpool statement is intentionally debasing what was more than likely a thorough and vigorous investigation, with the intention of trying to protect their player. Poor show IMO, they are treading a very fine line between validating or excusing racist comments. They should just accept it and move on for the good of football. They are not going to come out of this in a good light.
posted on 21/12/11
I think I'll reserve judgement on condemning a man found guilty by a supposed independent panel until a transcript comes out.
"Denis Smith was the Wrexham manager between 2001-07, while Darren Ferguson, son of the Manchester United manager, was a key member of his squad.
Even more eye catching was Smith’s autobiography, published in 2009, where he claimed he took pride in playing a part in helping Ferguson keep his United job in 1989, as revealed in Jaimie Kanwar's blog"
---
I don't condone abuse of any race and if Luis is guilty of using such terms then a ban or fine is justified. There is a strong smell of double standards if Evra used Suarez's ethnic origin to equally verbally abuse him. The FA is full of double standards.
There was always been an agenda from the FA to make a stand because of Blatters comments and their dislike of FIFA. unfortunately Suarez was the first case to be heard afte that.
I doubt however they would dish out such a large ban to Terry as it would be such a major problem for the England captain and leave egg all over there face.
posted on 21/12/11
Know-it-all
Well you would go to an employment tribunal first (as Luis kind of is with any appeal), but if you lost that you would have very little chance in a libel case.
posted on 21/12/11
It's funny how all these mancs suddenly have every confidence in the FA
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We don't. We have been royally flucked over by the FA more times than any other club, fact, even having new rule made to ban Rooney last season, even though Kenny was also caught on camera swearing to Wenger.
If LFC want to come out of this with any credibility left in the game at all, they should stop playing the victim card, and 'houllier than thou' attitude and see the issue for what it is,
Suarez has played in Europe for 5 years, he has become accustomed to European traditions and culture and way of living, hell, he even captained AJAX.
He then new full well, that by saying that racially motivated slur to Evra that it was wrong, but unbeknown to him, Evra did the right thing and went to the officials, and Suarez didn't think Evra would say anything.
He then goes away with Uruguay and says that he did infact call Evra a word and then says it was a term of endearment
HE then comes back and has his manager back him to hilt (which you'd expect from any manger) but has been playing the ignorance card on the grounds of culture.
He deserves his ban and needs to understand when in England, live by English rules, and LFC should feel ashamed that the're even considering an appeal!
posted on 21/12/11
Know it all
Think it is best we leave it there as the saying goes:
Do not argue with an idiot. He will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
posted on 21/12/11
But i wouldnt lose in the sense if someone called me a theif and didnt back it up with evidence.. I can get them on deformation of character.
I just have issues on how someone can be banned on diddly squat evidence.. one mans word over another.. But thats the FA
posted on 21/12/11
Ok stuart i wont argue with you
posted on 21/12/11
So if Suarez, whilst being part black can't say the 'n-word' then why can Evra? Double standards. One plays for United, one for Liverpool. You work it out.
posted on 21/12/11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16262537.stm
Read Tim vickerys column from BBC best piece I've read on it.
Fa have taken the stance that whatever the connotation or cultural perspective when colour is referenced in a comment from one player to another it is deemed a rascist slur and will be punished.
Weather you believe Suarez is rascist is down to your own interpretation, people will say club alliegence won't come into their argument but it naturally will.
Wether Suarez had any rascial intent in his comments is not the crux of the case, his comment referenced colour and the fa have judged that to be the point, on appeal the ban may be reduced due to the intricacies of the case but the fa are making a point, any comments where a persons colour is refered to in a negative (open to interpretation) way will be deemed a rascial slur.
posted on 21/12/11
Aggers...
It was an INDEPENDENT panel, headed by a QC (Queen's Counsel).
-------------------------------------
Devonshire
I appreciate your post, and you've shed a bit more light on the subject.
If what you say is true, to me if the FA are not going to deal with the issue themselves then surely it's a matter for the police?
I have a feeling that John Terry will never have to face up to a hearing for his alleged racial abuse of Anton Ferdinand because of a reluctance by the police to open up a very big can of worms.
Instead the FA have hired a judge and jury to make Luis face a punishment that I believe to be over the top.
These issues need to be handled more consistently in my view.
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