Remember the mole comments by wise just as our form had started to pick up?
Then it deteriorated again and bates (sorry, fsf) got to buy 100% of the club shafting shareholders in the process.
CouldNt have planned it better if he'd tried.....
See my comment on 'Progress !!!'.
I said this when we didn't win in Cardiff v Watford. For the owner / chairman of a team to be sort there grinning like a Cheshire cat while his team were losing out on the riches of the PL, baffles me to this day. And all the shenanigans (sp?) since has reinforced my view that LUFC are only being used by him to increase his pension pot at our expense.
'Couldn't have planned it better if he tried....'
Oh he tried ok, and he is succeeding.
Time some of us woke up an smelt the coffee!
Sort there? SAT there. Dyslexia is the order of the day today.
The best one so far has been his recent comments about 'we're aiming for promotion, and we should get promoted'. Big statements from someone who isn't going to spend anything
aT LAST people are waking up to what he is all about only interested in himself and MONEY
Its a good argument.But surely all the players have to be in on it.Otherwise if they are doing ok before christmas,then suddenly they start to lose games and lose points from a good position in the league.Or SG is in on it,and tinkers with the team untill it all goes pearshaped,and then Bates pats him on the back for a job well done.Bates is ripping us fans off.taking the mick out of the players,And finally using SG as his lapdog.To watch this happen to the club I and thousands of others love,really hurts.The best fans on the planet do not deserve this.but MOT as always.
He demotivates the whole team with his comments. They don't have to be 'in on it'.
Sorry to all you Grayson haters, but along with just about every manager at Leeds since Bates has been 'in charge' I feel sorry for him.
Kevin Blackwell, built a team from the ashes of relegation from the PL when there was something like 3 players left from the 1st team squad. Despite alot of us slagging him off, we did get to the playoffs. During his management our 'beloved saviour' took us over. He said from day one he didn't rate goalkeepers as managers. Writing on the wall? We lost in the playoff final that season, but Bates sat there grinning as we were losing. Go figure!
The next year after making a big deal about reducing the wage bill and the debt he had inherited from Krasner and Co. to a manageable level, he first of all sacked Blackwell, brought in Wise and Poyet, but didn't invest in the team. Then as we looked more likely to be relegated by our performance (or lack of it) on the field, he took the opportunity to take the club into administration on the last day of the season, thus negating the effect of a points deduction on our position. He used the administration etc. as an excuse for no investment that close season.
Not surprisingly did the FL think he was taking the mick on the timing, he was. So they imposed either a 15 point deduction or else get a further demotion to L2. He took the -15. He used this as a weapon, we had been wronged, us against the world. And to be fair it worked fir a while. We got the points back on the field in the shortest possible time and carried on up the table. Then Poyet left to become a translator, Wise was left to be found out. So when Newcastle came knocking with a ludicrous position, he left.
Next in line Gary Mac. Again he started reasonably well, but we missed out on automatic promotion, and lost in the playoff again. Close season was there any real investment in the team? I think not. A run of bad results culminating in Histon and Gary Mac was on his way.
Since then Grayson has tried to build a team using home grown plus frees and loanees. Why? No investment in the team. When will people realise ALL of these managers have had their hands tied by lack of investment.
Bates causes dissent and knocks morale in the whole setup. SG could walk out, many would have, but he is not only manager but a fan himself. He probably feels he would be betraying his team if he were to walk.
Bates has to go.
Grayson tells us he is being backed financially by his chairman.
Either he is the only manager to never spend available cash or he is lying.
Therefore Grayson is unfortunately part of the problem.
Grayson wants to keep his job.... he is a fan and this is his dream job. If he blatantly defies or argues with Bates, he is gone. Not saying he is a yes man, but he will make out he is backing the boss. Wouldn't you?
Also I think he gets promised money, hence his comment, but when negotiations on contracts and wages start the player or agent back out. In the end the result looks the same, Grayson doesn't get decent signings, even the frees. They still want to be paid the going rate, and I don't believe Bates wants to pay more than 2' 6d a week.
Grayson has been here 3 years, this money thing is not new.
If Grayson is a fan then he of all people should feel passionately enough about the clubs future to stop lying.
If he's as good as so many Leeds fans think he is then hell have no problem finding his next managerial post.
'If Grayson is a fan then he of all people should feel passionately enough about the clubs future to stop lying.'
If you had confidence in your own ability like i'm sure Grayson does then why would you leave and risk the club going badly downhill? You may think i'm exaggerating but we all know the competitiveness of this league and if things took a turn for the worse relegation to league 1 could be on the cards like the situation with Wednesday.
Does he have confidence in his ability?
He doesn't have confidence in his players.
He tells us they don't listen to him.
He looks absolutely clueless in many games.
He is his own worst enemy if he chooses to keep himself in the situation with bates.
As per all the times when the fans can see a player is woeful ie painter but Grayson can't, it seems he is completely out of touch with where his relationship with bates is going.
It is a rather long time now since bates last told us about how his relationship with Grayson is the best he has ever had in football etc.
'As per all the times when the fans can see a player is woeful ie painter but Grayson can't,'
Don't think Paynter is the best example to use to be honest. With our main man Beckford gone we had Somma (brief spell in lge 2) and Becchio (not someone you'd associate with goals) therefore he brought in Ross and Paynter (on a free who had scored 26 in with swindon). Don't think anyone could foresee how well Becchio and Somma would do and the fact that we'd revert to a 451. Agree he's been poor and continues to be at Brighton (goals wise anyway), but can understand the signing.
The worst by far has got to be Collins although the blades eventually bailed us out and this season O'Dea because he was originally brought in as LB.
You're missing the point.
The point is he played paynter game after game and fans could see he was poor, Grayson should have been able to see it too.
Fans can see that it will end in tears for Grayson with bates. Grayson should be able to see that too.
If he therefore decides to keep himself in this situation he has only himself to blame.
Did Paynter even start many games though? i thought a lot of his appearances were from the bench.
What do you think Grayson should do?
a) Demand funding from Bates (admittedly risk the sack but at least he'd tried and shown ambition)
b) Resign like many managers do because they can't perform under the chairman
c) Carry on, get sacked because he will probably fail a very difficult task set by Bates (promotion from the championship with little backing)
If Grayson genuinely has clubs best interest at heart (which i believe he does) he should resign.
The longer he stays, the more he lies, the more ground we lose on ever being able to return to true top flight and the more he will be blamed for the mess when he eventually does leave.
Totally agree with everything you said Jonty.
Hunwickwhite,
You'd be correct in believing Bates doesn't want promotion.
Bates bought LUFC with the sole intention of making money out of it, he is and is robbing LUFC blind in the process.
Bates antics, and his invisible partners is down Robbie Kearne, who was telling big businesses how to buy English clubs to make big money, it was in papers and on news, everyone with eyes saw it or read it.
More importantly, Bates doesn't want promotion to PL cos there are a number of wolf packs waiting for him, and some would take great pleasure in putting Bates in Jail or deflunked.
Make no mistake, the Vultures are circling and the Wolves are raring to pounce.
Don't expect promotion while Bates or Grayson are at LUFC.
'It is a rather long time now since bates last told us about how his relationship with Grayson is the best he has ever had in football etc.'
Bates is setting Grayson up for a fall.
LeedsLuvr, do you think that if Bates left NOW and a new owner released funds for SG to spend in Jan, we wouldn't at least make the playoffs? Morale at the club would improve and you would see improvement all round.
BATES OUT!
Actually no GBO, Grayson isn't that good.
If we had a new owner tomorrow I think Grayson would leave, by his own shoe leather or by the boot.
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posted on 22/12/11
Remember the mole comments by wise just as our form had started to pick up?
Then it deteriorated again and bates (sorry, fsf) got to buy 100% of the club shafting shareholders in the process.
CouldNt have planned it better if he'd tried.....
posted on 22/12/11
See my comment on 'Progress !!!'.
posted on 22/12/11
I said this when we didn't win in Cardiff v Watford. For the owner / chairman of a team to be sort there grinning like a Cheshire cat while his team were losing out on the riches of the PL, baffles me to this day. And all the shenanigans (sp?) since has reinforced my view that LUFC are only being used by him to increase his pension pot at our expense.
'Couldn't have planned it better if he tried....'
Oh he tried ok, and he is succeeding.
Time some of us woke up an smelt the coffee!
posted on 22/12/11
Sort there? SAT there. Dyslexia is the order of the day today.
posted on 22/12/11
The best one so far has been his recent comments about 'we're aiming for promotion, and we should get promoted'. Big statements from someone who isn't going to spend anything
posted on 22/12/11
aT LAST people are waking up to what he is all about only interested in himself and MONEY
posted on 22/12/11
Its a good argument.But surely all the players have to be in on it.Otherwise if they are doing ok before christmas,then suddenly they start to lose games and lose points from a good position in the league.Or SG is in on it,and tinkers with the team untill it all goes pearshaped,and then Bates pats him on the back for a job well done.Bates is ripping us fans off.taking the mick out of the players,And finally using SG as his lapdog.To watch this happen to the club I and thousands of others love,really hurts.The best fans on the planet do not deserve this.but MOT as always.
posted on 22/12/11
He demotivates the whole team with his comments. They don't have to be 'in on it'.
posted on 22/12/11
Sorry to all you Grayson haters, but along with just about every manager at Leeds since Bates has been 'in charge' I feel sorry for him.
Kevin Blackwell, built a team from the ashes of relegation from the PL when there was something like 3 players left from the 1st team squad. Despite alot of us slagging him off, we did get to the playoffs. During his management our 'beloved saviour' took us over. He said from day one he didn't rate goalkeepers as managers. Writing on the wall? We lost in the playoff final that season, but Bates sat there grinning as we were losing. Go figure!
The next year after making a big deal about reducing the wage bill and the debt he had inherited from Krasner and Co. to a manageable level, he first of all sacked Blackwell, brought in Wise and Poyet, but didn't invest in the team. Then as we looked more likely to be relegated by our performance (or lack of it) on the field, he took the opportunity to take the club into administration on the last day of the season, thus negating the effect of a points deduction on our position. He used the administration etc. as an excuse for no investment that close season.
Not surprisingly did the FL think he was taking the mick on the timing, he was. So they imposed either a 15 point deduction or else get a further demotion to L2. He took the -15. He used this as a weapon, we had been wronged, us against the world. And to be fair it worked fir a while. We got the points back on the field in the shortest possible time and carried on up the table. Then Poyet left to become a translator, Wise was left to be found out. So when Newcastle came knocking with a ludicrous position, he left.
Next in line Gary Mac. Again he started reasonably well, but we missed out on automatic promotion, and lost in the playoff again. Close season was there any real investment in the team? I think not. A run of bad results culminating in Histon and Gary Mac was on his way.
Since then Grayson has tried to build a team using home grown plus frees and loanees. Why? No investment in the team. When will people realise ALL of these managers have had their hands tied by lack of investment.
Bates causes dissent and knocks morale in the whole setup. SG could walk out, many would have, but he is not only manager but a fan himself. He probably feels he would be betraying his team if he were to walk.
Bates has to go.
posted on 22/12/11
Grayson tells us he is being backed financially by his chairman.
Either he is the only manager to never spend available cash or he is lying.
Therefore Grayson is unfortunately part of the problem.
posted on 22/12/11
Grayson wants to keep his job.... he is a fan and this is his dream job. If he blatantly defies or argues with Bates, he is gone. Not saying he is a yes man, but he will make out he is backing the boss. Wouldn't you?
Also I think he gets promised money, hence his comment, but when negotiations on contracts and wages start the player or agent back out. In the end the result looks the same, Grayson doesn't get decent signings, even the frees. They still want to be paid the going rate, and I don't believe Bates wants to pay more than 2' 6d a week.
posted on 22/12/11
Grayson has been here 3 years, this money thing is not new.
If Grayson is a fan then he of all people should feel passionately enough about the clubs future to stop lying.
If he's as good as so many Leeds fans think he is then hell have no problem finding his next managerial post.
posted on 22/12/11
'If Grayson is a fan then he of all people should feel passionately enough about the clubs future to stop lying.'
If you had confidence in your own ability like i'm sure Grayson does then why would you leave and risk the club going badly downhill? You may think i'm exaggerating but we all know the competitiveness of this league and if things took a turn for the worse relegation to league 1 could be on the cards like the situation with Wednesday.
posted on 22/12/11
Does he have confidence in his ability?
He doesn't have confidence in his players.
He tells us they don't listen to him.
He looks absolutely clueless in many games.
He is his own worst enemy if he chooses to keep himself in the situation with bates.
As per all the times when the fans can see a player is woeful ie painter but Grayson can't, it seems he is completely out of touch with where his relationship with bates is going.
It is a rather long time now since bates last told us about how his relationship with Grayson is the best he has ever had in football etc.
posted on 22/12/11
'As per all the times when the fans can see a player is woeful ie painter but Grayson can't,'
Don't think Paynter is the best example to use to be honest. With our main man Beckford gone we had Somma (brief spell in lge 2) and Becchio (not someone you'd associate with goals) therefore he brought in Ross and Paynter (on a free who had scored 26 in with swindon). Don't think anyone could foresee how well Becchio and Somma would do and the fact that we'd revert to a 451. Agree he's been poor and continues to be at Brighton (goals wise anyway), but can understand the signing.
The worst by far has got to be Collins although the blades eventually bailed us out and this season O'Dea because he was originally brought in as LB.
posted on 22/12/11
You're missing the point.
The point is he played paynter game after game and fans could see he was poor, Grayson should have been able to see it too.
Fans can see that it will end in tears for Grayson with bates. Grayson should be able to see that too.
If he therefore decides to keep himself in this situation he has only himself to blame.
posted on 23/12/11
Did Paynter even start many games though? i thought a lot of his appearances were from the bench.
What do you think Grayson should do?
a) Demand funding from Bates (admittedly risk the sack but at least he'd tried and shown ambition)
b) Resign like many managers do because they can't perform under the chairman
c) Carry on, get sacked because he will probably fail a very difficult task set by Bates (promotion from the championship with little backing)
posted on 23/12/11
If Grayson genuinely has clubs best interest at heart (which i believe he does) he should resign.
The longer he stays, the more he lies, the more ground we lose on ever being able to return to true top flight and the more he will be blamed for the mess when he eventually does leave.
posted on 23/12/11
Totally agree with everything you said Jonty.
Hunwickwhite,
You'd be correct in believing Bates doesn't want promotion.
Bates bought LUFC with the sole intention of making money out of it, he is and is robbing LUFC blind in the process.
Bates antics, and his invisible partners is down Robbie Kearne, who was telling big businesses how to buy English clubs to make big money, it was in papers and on news, everyone with eyes saw it or read it.
More importantly, Bates doesn't want promotion to PL cos there are a number of wolf packs waiting for him, and some would take great pleasure in putting Bates in Jail or deflunked.
Make no mistake, the Vultures are circling and the Wolves are raring to pounce.
Don't expect promotion while Bates or Grayson are at LUFC.
posted on 23/12/11
'It is a rather long time now since bates last told us about how his relationship with Grayson is the best he has ever had in football etc.'
Bates is setting Grayson up for a fall.
posted on 23/12/11
LeedsLuvr, do you think that if Bates left NOW and a new owner released funds for SG to spend in Jan, we wouldn't at least make the playoffs? Morale at the club would improve and you would see improvement all round.
BATES OUT!
posted on 23/12/11
Actually no GBO, Grayson isn't that good.
If we had a new owner tomorrow I think Grayson would leave, by his own shoe leather or by the boot.
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