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Cotterill in. Players out.

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posted on 27/12/11

Cotterill has no buying power in the Prem

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

Cotterill, proven failure at this level in. The players, proven to be very able at this level out!!!

Magic

posted on 27/12/11

Given the intelligence of Doughty et al they would have foreseen that we were destined for L1. In which case Cotterill was the wrong appointment as Karl Robinson is a proven manager at that level.:

comment by grff (U7369)

posted on 27/12/11

Cotterill, proven failure at this level in. The players, proven to be very able at this level out!!!
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There isn't much proof being shown by the players just now or any time this season for that matter.

It's about time you took off your rose tinted specs and realise the players aren't performing due to having no interest, no fight, no desire to show the fans and club what they might still be capable of.

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

You lot will get your way. Cotterill will stay, players will go. This could be the worse mistake our club ever made.

None of us wanted cotterill because we thought this might happen. Now it's happening and it's not his fault. Work that one out.

comment by LloydX (U6993)

posted on 27/12/11

Again with the black or white stuff. I'd say neither manager, players, board or anyone are showing themselves very able.

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

It is black and white.

Cotterill is a bad manager. I'm not saying its all his fault. It's probably more the boards faults than his. But he doesn't have the ability to turn it round. We all thought that before we appointed him and result strongly suggest we were right.

comment by grff (U7369)

posted on 27/12/11

So are you excusing the players of all responsibility then, Sutton?

I sure hope you weren't moaning and groaning yesterday as the umpteenth pass went astray. Afterall, it's surely all down to the board and manager that we can't string ten passes together or score a goal.

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

So are you excusing the players of all responsibility then, Sutton?

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It's not about blame. It's about what's best for the club. The players aren't playing well, they don't seem as motivated as the once were. But we know they are capable.

Under the right management these players can do it. If cotterill can't get the best out of these players why should we let him get rid and get new ones? There's little or no evidence to suggest hell get them playing to close to there potential.

If the players can't score, defend or score goals (basically play football) but they could before, then what's changed?

comment by grff (U7369)

posted on 27/12/11

If the players can't score, defend or score goals (basically play football) but they could before, then what's changed?
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The fact the players aren't interested in fighting for the cause?

Can you honestly say that the players look as though they are giving their all? The players wanted to play for BD but not for SM or SC, which says a lot more about their professionalism rather than SM/SC.

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

Can you honestly say that the players look as though they are giving their all? The players wanted to play for BD but not for SM or SC, which says a lot more about their professionalism rather than SM/SC

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You what?

A massive part of management is motivating the players, giving them confidence. This is why you have a manager. Any twonk can put the players through training drills and pick 11 on Saturday. Man management is probably the biggest part of the job.

If the players who work with him day in day out don't rate him, what does that tell us? It's a lot easier to get a manager the players rate in, than it is to let the manager change all the players.

Certainly when you think, there's a huge chance he'll fail the new players.

comment by grff (U7369)

posted on 27/12/11

Yes, a massive part of a mangers job is to motivate and give confidence. However, motivation and confidence ultimately comes from within a person.

If you don't rate your boss, does that mean that you have the right to give up trying and fighting for the same cause?

SC is here to stay, Sutton. Now start embracing it already.

posted on 27/12/11

Sutton is bang on with his man management comment.

Cotterill is far too nice a bloke to be a manager..doesnt look like hes got a b0ll0cking in him

comment by LloydX (U6993)

posted on 27/12/11

"Sutton is bang on with his man management comment.

Cotterill is far too nice a bloke to be a manager..doesnt look like hes got a b0ll0cking in him" is this based on anything other than just your opinion that he looks like he's too nice to shout at the players?

"If the players can't score, defend or score goals (basically play football) but they could before, then what's changed?"

In the main the defence has changed. We miss Earnshaw as we could no longer afford him and his form was declining but the defence is our big weak link. Partly McC is at fault for changing the style when the players weren't good enough to adapt. Maybe Cotterill can address that, we do look a little more tough to score against but have let in way too many.

When I think of Davies' time I don't think of us turning teams over I think of us as being workmanlike, tough to beat and tight at the back. He deserves credit as we've had a very limited bunch at the back, Chambers and Morgan are hardly world beaters, I don't see many teams banging our doors down for any of them (or any other players, McGugan, etc either).

comment by sutton (U3208)

posted on 27/12/11

I don't see many teams banging our doors down for any of them (or any other players, McGugan, etc either).

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Well I've seen at least 4 of the rubbish players linked with prem clubs.

posted on 28/12/11

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posted on 28/12/11

A bit too extreme boogaloo, even for a message board. NFFC fans such as Aladdin and Sutton and SRF shouted for ND to go and they got their wish..... now the chickens have come home to roost and it's not a pretty site.

I'm sure you'll bounce back though afterall you've won to European Cups and are a massive club with brilliant support

posted on 28/12/11

*two* dohhhhh

posted on 28/12/11

Woh when did I ever say I wanted ND out!

posted on 28/12/11

Okay apologies SRF, you want SM out and that was interlinked to a certain degree with ND.

comment by LloydX (U6993)

posted on 29/12/11

"Well I've seen at least 4 of the rubbish players linked with prem clubs."

Fingers crossed. Cotterill isn't the only bad manager! I wouldn't be too surprised if Gunter and McGugan went but neither are good enough for the Prem. They're probably the two that can be covered easier here too so hope they both go and good luck to them

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