The title of the thread is "Mancini the hypocrite"
I'm merely pointing out some of the hypocracy on here where many of you are defending Rooney who obviously influenced Foy yet are criticising Mancini who was about 50 yards away from the referee when he brandished the imaginary card for what was a red card offence.
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305) posted 3 minutes ago
I filtered you Wayne because you were being a d ick, I see nothing has changed, you started going on about my family which is low,
Not suprised though you have no class!
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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It's a reasonable question Loz and hard to answer in truth. Feelings run high on any football pitch and moreso in a Derby.
I think what is bugging United fans is that (some) non-Unitedfans appear to think Rooney is the first foootballer to ever moan to a ref. If you really think about it, it's a bit ridiculous singling out Rooney for this kind of behavior. It is utterly commonplace in the game world wide
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305)
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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No he wasnt. But it is no worse than every other player doing it. He also didnt moan to the press about anyone else doing it ala Mancini. Which was the point of the article.
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305)
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He held 2 fingers up and looked to say "2 footed", what exactly did he do wrong? He was probably the calmest he's ever been towards a ref
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 58 seconds ago
The title of the thread is "Mancini the hypocrite"
I'm merely pointing out some of the hypocracy on here where many of you are defending Rooney who obviously influenced Foy yet are criticising Mancini who was about 50 yards away from the referee when he brandished the imaginary card for what was a red card offence.
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Are you a bit simple Boris? Rooney did not brandish an imaginary card. Why don't you try actually watching the video.
Also, how do you know he influenced the ref? It was a red card offence under the laws of the game and he got a red card. The ref was walking over to Kompany - what do you think he was going to do when he got there before Rooney influenced him?
Unless I see a picture that proves otherwise it appears that Rooney is waving his finger and thumb in Foy's face which would signify to anyone other than United fans he was brandishing an imaginary card, not trying to point out it was a 2 footed tackle.
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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I think he was correct to ask about a two footed tackle.
Do you blues think the tackle was correct?
So you think a two footed tackle is the correct way to go?
I shall sve this for the next time a player goes in two footed on a city player and then we will see how you feel abou it then.
The lad missed Nani, had he taken his legs the opinions of most fans would be different. I supprised you haven't tried to call Nani a diving cheat, that what you normally do isn't it?
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
Unless I see a picture that proves otherwise it appears that Rooney is waving his finger and thumb in Foy's face which would signify to anyone other than United fans he was brandishing an imaginary card, not trying to point out it was a 2 footed tackle.
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It is quite clear from the video that you referred to earlier (but havent apparently seen) that Rooney is holding two fingers up. He is not waving an imaginary card.
Mancini apologised for his action. Rooney just comes out with a childish tweet about his own action.
If you want a clear video then look at this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V57EfUdBpYY/Twntcr5mXSI/AAAAAAAACuQ/fa8R5owIAAg/s1600/OF63M.gif
Makes anything you imagine Rooney did aftewards, irrelevant.
There is the 2 footed studs first tackle, which the rules say is an instant red cardm end of.
All this "Oh what about Rooney what about Uniteds players what about Fergie" is just bullpoo trying to deflect from your loss yesterday.
Accept what happened, grow up, stop making things up, and move on.
Put it this way. If that had been a 'What Happened Next' question concerning a continental game and the action had been stopped just as Kompany was about to pass after collecting the ball, very few people would have said the defender got a red card.
When do we find out if the Kompany appeal will be deemed successful?
Regarding the OP, Mancini did apologise after doing that and I can' t believe the on pitch referee actually saw him doing it, so I don' think the effect is the same as players on the pitch doing it. Having said that, I agree that all teams do it ( I don' t think Rooney was too happy when Ronaldo did similar to him in the Euros), and hypocrisy is rife in football anyway.
Regarding the tackle, I am not surprised it was a red. Personally, I thought a yellow was enough, but can see why it was given. I think the problem I have at the minute is consistency. The rules of the game at the moment leave a lot of ambiguity in their interpretation. Due to that, some referees might give cards for certain things that others will not.
Now, I'm fine with that, I don't expect all referees to have the same view on every challenge. Online forums like this show that even with the benefit of video replays, there is still conflicting opinions on yellow/red card offences and penalty appeals.
What I do think is absolutely essential though, and not too much to ask, is that referees are consistent themselves as to how they individually referee. By giving the red card, which was fair enough, Foy was interpreting the law to its limit (as in, sending off). I don' t understand why he didn't continue to interpret other fouls, on both sides, as yellow cards when, by the letter of the law, they were. He was effectively changing his stance on interpreting the rules, which is where issues start to come in.
I have a lot of sympathy for referees, I think people expect far too much from them in terms of similarity of other refs. I truly believe their own personality needs to come through when refereeing, which is allowed in the ambiguity of the rules. They absolutely have to stay consistent to that though, and it is not the first time this year that I have thought Foy is not up the required standard in terms of that consistency.
Having said all of that, yet again, what a wonderful game. Good luck to United in the next round, let's keep the cup in Manchester.
But the point your missing is at least mancini had the stones to admit he's wrong.
Here you go Binky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gA6IQzVDrA
go to 0:20 and see Rooney holding 2 fingers up
So Rooney incorrectly identified the tackle as a 2 footed one ?
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
Put it this way. If that had been a 'What Happened Next' question concerning a continental game and the action had been stopped just as Kompany was about to pass after collecting the ball, very few people would have said the defender got a red card.
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Dont be silly. It was two footed - it deserved a red. Probably more so on the continent. Which is an irrelevant point anyway as the game was played in England.
How many times have we seen a United or Arsenal player fouled only for the camera to pan to either Fergie or Wenger (the elder statesmen of football management) as they practically manhandle the 4th offical. The foul's already been given but they're obviously trying to get the 4th offical to influence the referee to give the offending player a card. What's the difference?
Mancini isn't being hypocritical. He would only be being hypocritical if he defended his own actions when "card-waving" and then went on to criticise someone else for doing the same. But the simple fact is that Mancini apologised for what he did - thus admits that he was in the wrong to do what he did. He also feels that Rooney was in the wrong.
Hence, no hypocrisy.
Cityblueloz
Only because Sky couldnt wait to interrogate him about it. Pathetic by Sky to be honest after the Liverpool game. Hounding him like they did. Yeh it was wrong what he did but the way they and Jamie Redknapp blew it up to ridiculous proportions was a joke. Gary Neville was the only one there not sticking knives into Mancini to be honest. He said it was heat of the moment, dont like it but its not the worst thing you'll see on the football pitch when emotions are running high, while Jamie Redknapp was jumping on the bandwagon as usual
When do we find out if the Kompany appeal will be deemed successful?
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I think putting yesterday aside, city would be mad to appeal. He'd miss the CC game and the weekend game and then the other CC game and I feel sure RM would rather have Kompany for the league games and miss the two CC games????
It wasn't a red card. Or rather it shouldn't have been a red card.
as they practically manhandle the 4th offical
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Sorry but please post me a video of either these two in the act of "manhandle (ing)" a 4th official. Other wise stop fecking telling lies!
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posted on 9/1/12
The title of the thread is "Mancini the hypocrite"
I'm merely pointing out some of the hypocracy on here where many of you are defending Rooney who obviously influenced Foy yet are criticising Mancini who was about 50 yards away from the referee when he brandished the imaginary card for what was a red card offence.
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305) posted 3 minutes ago
I filtered you Wayne because you were being a d ick, I see nothing has changed, you started going on about my family which is low,
Not suprised though you have no class!
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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It's a reasonable question Loz and hard to answer in truth. Feelings run high on any football pitch and moreso in a Derby.
I think what is bugging United fans is that (some) non-Unitedfans appear to think Rooney is the first foootballer to ever moan to a ref. If you really think about it, it's a bit ridiculous singling out Rooney for this kind of behavior. It is utterly commonplace in the game world wide
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305)
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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No he wasnt. But it is no worse than every other player doing it. He also didnt moan to the press about anyone else doing it ala Mancini. Which was the point of the article.
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Cityblueloz, the dude abides! (U6305)
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He held 2 fingers up and looked to say "2 footed", what exactly did he do wrong? He was probably the calmest he's ever been towards a ref
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 58 seconds ago
The title of the thread is "Mancini the hypocrite"
I'm merely pointing out some of the hypocracy on here where many of you are defending Rooney who obviously influenced Foy yet are criticising Mancini who was about 50 yards away from the referee when he brandished the imaginary card for what was a red card offence.
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Are you a bit simple Boris? Rooney did not brandish an imaginary card. Why don't you try actually watching the video.
Also, how do you know he influenced the ref? It was a red card offence under the laws of the game and he got a red card. The ref was walking over to Kompany - what do you think he was going to do when he got there before Rooney influenced him?
posted on 9/1/12
Unless I see a picture that proves otherwise it appears that Rooney is waving his finger and thumb in Foy's face which would signify to anyone other than United fans he was brandishing an imaginary card, not trying to point out it was a 2 footed tackle.
posted on 9/1/12
Do you reds think Rooney was right to gesture to the ref?
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I think he was correct to ask about a two footed tackle.
Do you blues think the tackle was correct?
posted on 9/1/12
Yes.
posted on 9/1/12
So you think a two footed tackle is the correct way to go?
I shall sve this for the next time a player goes in two footed on a city player and then we will see how you feel abou it then.
The lad missed Nani, had he taken his legs the opinions of most fans would be different. I supprised you haven't tried to call Nani a diving cheat, that what you normally do isn't it?
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
Unless I see a picture that proves otherwise it appears that Rooney is waving his finger and thumb in Foy's face which would signify to anyone other than United fans he was brandishing an imaginary card, not trying to point out it was a 2 footed tackle.
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It is quite clear from the video that you referred to earlier (but havent apparently seen) that Rooney is holding two fingers up. He is not waving an imaginary card.
posted on 9/1/12
Mancini apologised for his action. Rooney just comes out with a childish tweet about his own action.
posted on 9/1/12
If you want a clear video then look at this:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-V57EfUdBpYY/Twntcr5mXSI/AAAAAAAACuQ/fa8R5owIAAg/s1600/OF63M.gif
Makes anything you imagine Rooney did aftewards, irrelevant.
There is the 2 footed studs first tackle, which the rules say is an instant red cardm end of.
All this "Oh what about Rooney what about Uniteds players what about Fergie" is just bullpoo trying to deflect from your loss yesterday.
Accept what happened, grow up, stop making things up, and move on.
posted on 9/1/12
Put it this way. If that had been a 'What Happened Next' question concerning a continental game and the action had been stopped just as Kompany was about to pass after collecting the ball, very few people would have said the defender got a red card.
posted on 9/1/12
When do we find out if the Kompany appeal will be deemed successful?
posted on 9/1/12
Regarding the OP, Mancini did apologise after doing that and I can' t believe the on pitch referee actually saw him doing it, so I don' think the effect is the same as players on the pitch doing it. Having said that, I agree that all teams do it ( I don' t think Rooney was too happy when Ronaldo did similar to him in the Euros), and hypocrisy is rife in football anyway.
Regarding the tackle, I am not surprised it was a red. Personally, I thought a yellow was enough, but can see why it was given. I think the problem I have at the minute is consistency. The rules of the game at the moment leave a lot of ambiguity in their interpretation. Due to that, some referees might give cards for certain things that others will not.
Now, I'm fine with that, I don't expect all referees to have the same view on every challenge. Online forums like this show that even with the benefit of video replays, there is still conflicting opinions on yellow/red card offences and penalty appeals.
What I do think is absolutely essential though, and not too much to ask, is that referees are consistent themselves as to how they individually referee. By giving the red card, which was fair enough, Foy was interpreting the law to its limit (as in, sending off). I don' t understand why he didn't continue to interpret other fouls, on both sides, as yellow cards when, by the letter of the law, they were. He was effectively changing his stance on interpreting the rules, which is where issues start to come in.
I have a lot of sympathy for referees, I think people expect far too much from them in terms of similarity of other refs. I truly believe their own personality needs to come through when refereeing, which is allowed in the ambiguity of the rules. They absolutely have to stay consistent to that though, and it is not the first time this year that I have thought Foy is not up the required standard in terms of that consistency.
Having said all of that, yet again, what a wonderful game. Good luck to United in the next round, let's keep the cup in Manchester.
posted on 9/1/12
But the point your missing is at least mancini had the stones to admit he's wrong.
posted on 9/1/12
Here you go Binky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gA6IQzVDrA
go to 0:20 and see Rooney holding 2 fingers up
posted on 9/1/12
So Rooney incorrectly identified the tackle as a 2 footed one ?
posted on 9/1/12
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
Put it this way. If that had been a 'What Happened Next' question concerning a continental game and the action had been stopped just as Kompany was about to pass after collecting the ball, very few people would have said the defender got a red card.
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Dont be silly. It was two footed - it deserved a red. Probably more so on the continent. Which is an irrelevant point anyway as the game was played in England.
posted on 9/1/12
How many times have we seen a United or Arsenal player fouled only for the camera to pan to either Fergie or Wenger (the elder statesmen of football management) as they practically manhandle the 4th offical. The foul's already been given but they're obviously trying to get the 4th offical to influence the referee to give the offending player a card. What's the difference?
posted on 9/1/12
Mancini isn't being hypocritical. He would only be being hypocritical if he defended his own actions when "card-waving" and then went on to criticise someone else for doing the same. But the simple fact is that Mancini apologised for what he did - thus admits that he was in the wrong to do what he did. He also feels that Rooney was in the wrong.
Hence, no hypocrisy.
posted on 9/1/12
Cityblueloz
Only because Sky couldnt wait to interrogate him about it. Pathetic by Sky to be honest after the Liverpool game. Hounding him like they did. Yeh it was wrong what he did but the way they and Jamie Redknapp blew it up to ridiculous proportions was a joke. Gary Neville was the only one there not sticking knives into Mancini to be honest. He said it was heat of the moment, dont like it but its not the worst thing you'll see on the football pitch when emotions are running high, while Jamie Redknapp was jumping on the bandwagon as usual
posted on 9/1/12
When do we find out if the Kompany appeal will be deemed successful?
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I think putting yesterday aside, city would be mad to appeal. He'd miss the CC game and the weekend game and then the other CC game and I feel sure RM would rather have Kompany for the league games and miss the two CC games????
posted on 9/1/12
It wasn't a red card. Or rather it shouldn't have been a red card.
posted on 9/1/12
as they practically manhandle the 4th offical
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Sorry but please post me a video of either these two in the act of "manhandle (ing)" a 4th official. Other wise stop fecking telling lies!
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