David Moyes has every right to have a go at other clubs considering what he has to work with. Moyes has done a brilliant job and it must be frustrating to see other clubs spending and pulling away from Everton.
I also can't understand how Everton are in such a poor position.
Spurs net spend was obviously higher than others in recent years, you can't argue against that. But its paid off recently.
We got 10 million for Crouch alone and I suspect about 5 million plus clauses for Palacios I reckon.
Lewis has never given us a penny, if he had he would of backed the training centre on a 0% interest loan to technically make him more money in the future if Tottenham were to be sold but he didn't.
He's only recently taken an interest in Tottenham because we're looking like a good money maker for him.
Yeah great RDBD - the smiley is an intelligent, rational, argument; a sign of someone with an open mind and a talented poster. If you have an argument to make then make it, insulting me for daring to post an opinion is just childish.
The fact is that capital comes at a cost, even if he hasn't invested money in the club personally, he has provided a vehicle against which the club can borrow cheaply, or use as collateral, or use to help provide advice and management, all things which other premier league clubs don't have. Why do you think clubs welcome wealthy investors like Shinawatra with no proof of their wealth? The money is only part of it, everything that comes with having a lot of money allows you to acquire things more easily, be it knowledge, experience etc.
My post was not having a go, I'm just saying Joe Lewis has given you something Everton have not had. Those tables and Moyes' assertion that the club has invested a lot more in the playing staff than most other premiership outfits are not wrong. Just because you earnt a lot of it back, doesn't mean it wasn't an advantage to have the spending power to begin with. You have been well managed of late, everyone can see that. But don't pretend you didn't have money, you obviously did, or you wouldn't have been able to make those kinds of signings.
I have to say I do feel for the everton fans, they are a big club and should have more money. You do have to wonder why they agrre such poor sponsorshoip deal (we got more for our cup games than tyhey get for a whole season).
I have heard that their stadium doesnt have enough executive boxes.......That's where the big bucks come rolling in each week.
Why doesn't Moyes leave instead of moaning all the time? I'm sure he'd get the finances at another club.
"David Moyes has every right to have a go at other clubs considering what he has to work with."
Some, but not all clubs.
"Moyes has done a brilliant job and it must be frustrating to see other clubs spending and pulling away from Everton."
Especially if they are doing it well within their means.
"I also can't understand how Everton are in such a poor position."
Indeed.
"Spurs net spend was obviously higher than others in recent years, you can't argue against that. But its paid off recently."
It has been MANAGED superbly. his Darthness.
TheWalrusandtheNasriator :
You are IGNORANT of the operation of THFC PLC over the ENIC era. AT ALL LEVELS.
Therefore attempting to present your opinions as fact (or as G00n 606 - FACT !!! ) , deserves the contemptuous dismissals given to date.
TheWalrusandtheNasriator (U8186)
We're not saying we are skint club, quite the opposite in fact. All we are saying is that Lewis hasnt had to dip into his own pocket. Everything else you said makes perfect sense.
Moyes. The guy with 10 midfielders, 6 defenders and 5 (4 without including Donovan) strikers but claims he has lack of strikers.
How about sell a couple of midfielders, don't sign or loan in rubbish and spend a couple of quid on your defense.
Any one else remember the rubbish he bought when Everton got in to the CL?
Or how about when they sold Lescott? Only good player he bought was Heitinga.
He signed Fellaini for 15 million and that useless Russian for 9 million. Could of got quite a few good players for that.
Just look what we did when we started a fresh, sold off all the old or useless players, got in young or good cheap players like Davis, Jenas, Mendes, Carrick, Robinson, Pamarot, Atouba, Naybet (We could do with a Naybet), Brown and Defoe in the January beforehand.
That was almost 6 years ago and look where are now just from that.
Levy restructured and it worked, genius!!
For those that are interested, Tottenham's transfer net spend since the Premier League's inaugural year has been £178million, which is less than £9million per year.
What that doesn't take into consideration is the VALUE of the current Spurs squad (e.g. Modric and Bale are worth the best part of £100million between them, which would net against the majority of our spend over the last 20 years).
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html
And in regards when I said about Modric earlier.
Question: Spend 4 million over 4 years on a top quality player who would take you up a level or buy 1 decent player a season for 4 million BUT you already have decent players.
What would you do?
I'd like to see the wage table in comparison to League position aswell, as we'd be doing very well on that whereas Arsenal would save on transfers but pay extortionate wages.
"For those that are interested, Tottenham's transfer net spend since the Premier League's inaugural year has been £178million, which is less than £9million per year."
Austerity Sugar (made us take the bitter medicine) : 43m over 10 yrs.
Mouse :
Robert Peston did an article some time ago (he is a G00n BTW) , whereby he showed that for all of Arsenals' famed frugality, their costs on recent PL placings was not so far off Man Utd, but the ROI evidently is.
The difference is were are a well run club.
Both clubs are of similar stature, similar sized stadiums and fan base. Both with good history and tradition.
Spurs are just better run, seem to generate much better revenue and can afford £10m a year on players compared to £800k per season that Moyes has spent over 8 years.
It helps we are in London. Ticket prices are higher, lots more corporate, but no doubt our wage bill is bigger too.
EFC need to look at themselves and question why they are not making more money. They may run a tight ship but it's not a very forward looking one. Spurs always seem to push the boundaries and we have been the highest revenue club in all Europe outside of the Champions League becuase of this.
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Chelsea - £174m (£167m)
Man City - £133m (£83m)
Man Utd - £132m (£123m)
Liverpool - £121m (£107m)
Arsenal - £111m (£104m) LAA
Source: Deloitte, 2008-09 wage bills in brackets
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Man City - £133m (£83m)
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... Suspect the 10/11 and 11/12 figures might be slightly different!
Liverpool's wage bill for a 6th place finish
comment by Ginger Tinge (U10525) posted 2 minutes ago
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Man City - £133m (£83m)
---
... Suspect the 10/11 and 11/12 figures might be slightly different!
- - - - -
Indeed!
Their net spend in 9/10 was £100m and their wages went up £50m]
So assumming the same relationship, a further £180m spend in the following 2 years will see wages increase by £90m...although they will be looking to off load Tevez & Adebayor (£18m wages). So maybe by the time its next produced City will be £200m on wages (current revenue £125m...£75m annual loss )
To be fair to Liverpool they have reduced their wage bill a lot recentyl. Apparently reduced it by £30m in the summer. So they've obviously changed the way they are going, almost copying Spurs to an extent. Trying to buy younger British players. And while Carroll was way over the top, the fee they got for Torres was aswell.
Although Spurs are in a great position now, I'd imagine if they want to keep the likes of Modric and Bale they will have to give them better contracts, and extend the wage bill.
"Although Spurs are in a great position now, I'd imagine if they want to keep the likes of Modric and Bale they will have to give them better contracts, and extend the wage bill."
Or win the PL.
But yes, without the near-guaranteed success of Man Utd, it will be difficult to attract new talent (as Spurs know only too well with WC striker) .
And again, Levy leads the way (5 yr contracts to lock-down key players) .
"Its just a poor attempt at reverse psychology"
More "cover your a-r-s-e" + lowering expectations.
Arry will be doing similar just before the <Citeh> game.
You can lock-down key players, but if a player then becomes one of the best in the world in his position like Modric or Bale, are they going to be happy without a wage increase?
If a player isn't happy, then more often than not they are no longer a key player.
Apparently reduced it by £30m in the summer
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Konchesky, Maviga, Bruna, Jovanonic, Ayala. Insua, kyrgiakos, poulsen, n'gog, meireles, cole (loan) and ince left the club in the summer.
Henderson, Adam, Doni, Downing, Enrique, Coates, Bellamy and Bijev came to the club in the summer.
You telling me they reduced it by 30 million in wages?
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posted on 10/1/12
David Moyes has every right to have a go at other clubs considering what he has to work with. Moyes has done a brilliant job and it must be frustrating to see other clubs spending and pulling away from Everton.
I also can't understand how Everton are in such a poor position.
Spurs net spend was obviously higher than others in recent years, you can't argue against that. But its paid off recently.
posted on 10/1/12
We got 10 million for Crouch alone and I suspect about 5 million plus clauses for Palacios I reckon.
Lewis has never given us a penny, if he had he would of backed the training centre on a 0% interest loan to technically make him more money in the future if Tottenham were to be sold but he didn't.
He's only recently taken an interest in Tottenham because we're looking like a good money maker for him.
posted on 10/1/12
Yeah great RDBD - the smiley is an intelligent, rational, argument; a sign of someone with an open mind and a talented poster. If you have an argument to make then make it, insulting me for daring to post an opinion is just childish.
The fact is that capital comes at a cost, even if he hasn't invested money in the club personally, he has provided a vehicle against which the club can borrow cheaply, or use as collateral, or use to help provide advice and management, all things which other premier league clubs don't have. Why do you think clubs welcome wealthy investors like Shinawatra with no proof of their wealth? The money is only part of it, everything that comes with having a lot of money allows you to acquire things more easily, be it knowledge, experience etc.
My post was not having a go, I'm just saying Joe Lewis has given you something Everton have not had. Those tables and Moyes' assertion that the club has invested a lot more in the playing staff than most other premiership outfits are not wrong. Just because you earnt a lot of it back, doesn't mean it wasn't an advantage to have the spending power to begin with. You have been well managed of late, everyone can see that. But don't pretend you didn't have money, you obviously did, or you wouldn't have been able to make those kinds of signings.
posted on 10/1/12
I have to say I do feel for the everton fans, they are a big club and should have more money. You do have to wonder why they agrre such poor sponsorshoip deal (we got more for our cup games than tyhey get for a whole season).
I have heard that their stadium doesnt have enough executive boxes.......That's where the big bucks come rolling in each week.
posted on 10/1/12
Why doesn't Moyes leave instead of moaning all the time? I'm sure he'd get the finances at another club.
posted on 10/1/12
"David Moyes has every right to have a go at other clubs considering what he has to work with."
Some, but not all clubs.
"Moyes has done a brilliant job and it must be frustrating to see other clubs spending and pulling away from Everton."
Especially if they are doing it well within their means.
"I also can't understand how Everton are in such a poor position."
Indeed.
"Spurs net spend was obviously higher than others in recent years, you can't argue against that. But its paid off recently."
It has been MANAGED superbly. his Darthness.
posted on 10/1/12
TheWalrusandtheNasriator :
You are IGNORANT of the operation of THFC PLC over the ENIC era. AT ALL LEVELS.
Therefore attempting to present your opinions as fact (or as G00n 606 - FACT !!! ) , deserves the contemptuous dismissals given to date.
posted on 10/1/12
TheWalrusandtheNasriator (U8186)
We're not saying we are skint club, quite the opposite in fact. All we are saying is that Lewis hasnt had to dip into his own pocket. Everything else you said makes perfect sense.
posted on 10/1/12
Moyes. The guy with 10 midfielders, 6 defenders and 5 (4 without including Donovan) strikers but claims he has lack of strikers.
How about sell a couple of midfielders, don't sign or loan in rubbish and spend a couple of quid on your defense.
Any one else remember the rubbish he bought when Everton got in to the CL?
Or how about when they sold Lescott? Only good player he bought was Heitinga.
He signed Fellaini for 15 million and that useless Russian for 9 million. Could of got quite a few good players for that.
Just look what we did when we started a fresh, sold off all the old or useless players, got in young or good cheap players like Davis, Jenas, Mendes, Carrick, Robinson, Pamarot, Atouba, Naybet (We could do with a Naybet), Brown and Defoe in the January beforehand.
That was almost 6 years ago and look where are now just from that.
Levy restructured and it worked, genius!!
posted on 10/1/12
posted on 10/1/12
For those that are interested, Tottenham's transfer net spend since the Premier League's inaugural year has been £178million, which is less than £9million per year.
What that doesn't take into consideration is the VALUE of the current Spurs squad (e.g. Modric and Bale are worth the best part of £100million between them, which would net against the majority of our spend over the last 20 years).
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html
posted on 10/1/12
And in regards when I said about Modric earlier.
Question: Spend 4 million over 4 years on a top quality player who would take you up a level or buy 1 decent player a season for 4 million BUT you already have decent players.
What would you do?
posted on 10/1/12
I'd like to see the wage table in comparison to League position aswell, as we'd be doing very well on that whereas Arsenal would save on transfers but pay extortionate wages.
posted on 10/1/12
"For those that are interested, Tottenham's transfer net spend since the Premier League's inaugural year has been £178million, which is less than £9million per year."
Austerity Sugar (made us take the bitter medicine) : 43m over 10 yrs.
posted on 10/1/12
Mouse :
Robert Peston did an article some time ago (he is a G00n BTW) , whereby he showed that for all of Arsenals' famed frugality, their costs on recent PL placings was not so far off Man Utd, but the ROI evidently is.
posted on 10/1/12
The difference is were are a well run club.
Both clubs are of similar stature, similar sized stadiums and fan base. Both with good history and tradition.
Spurs are just better run, seem to generate much better revenue and can afford £10m a year on players compared to £800k per season that Moyes has spent over 8 years.
It helps we are in London. Ticket prices are higher, lots more corporate, but no doubt our wage bill is bigger too.
EFC need to look at themselves and question why they are not making more money. They may run a tight ship but it's not a very forward looking one. Spurs always seem to push the boundaries and we have been the highest revenue club in all Europe outside of the Champions League becuase of this.
posted on 10/1/12
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Chelsea - £174m (£167m)
Man City - £133m (£83m)
Man Utd - £132m (£123m)
Liverpool - £121m (£107m)
Arsenal - £111m (£104m) LAA
Source: Deloitte, 2008-09 wage bills in brackets
posted on 10/1/12
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Man City - £133m (£83m)
---
... Suspect the 10/11 and 11/12 figures might be slightly different!
posted on 10/1/12
Liverpool's wage bill for a 6th place finish
posted on 10/1/12
comment by Ginger Tinge (U10525) posted 2 minutes ago
TOP PREMIER LEAGUE WAGE BILLS 2009-10
Man City - £133m (£83m)
---
... Suspect the 10/11 and 11/12 figures might be slightly different!
- - - - -
Indeed!
Their net spend in 9/10 was £100m and their wages went up £50m]
So assumming the same relationship, a further £180m spend in the following 2 years will see wages increase by £90m...although they will be looking to off load Tevez & Adebayor (£18m wages). So maybe by the time its next produced City will be £200m on wages (current revenue £125m...£75m annual loss )
posted on 10/1/12
To be fair to Liverpool they have reduced their wage bill a lot recentyl. Apparently reduced it by £30m in the summer. So they've obviously changed the way they are going, almost copying Spurs to an extent. Trying to buy younger British players. And while Carroll was way over the top, the fee they got for Torres was aswell.
Although Spurs are in a great position now, I'd imagine if they want to keep the likes of Modric and Bale they will have to give them better contracts, and extend the wage bill.
posted on 10/1/12
"Although Spurs are in a great position now, I'd imagine if they want to keep the likes of Modric and Bale they will have to give them better contracts, and extend the wage bill."
Or win the PL.
But yes, without the near-guaranteed success of Man Utd, it will be difficult to attract new talent (as Spurs know only too well with WC striker) .
And again, Levy leads the way (5 yr contracts to lock-down key players) .
posted on 10/1/12
"Its just a poor attempt at reverse psychology"
More "cover your a-r-s-e" + lowering expectations.
Arry will be doing similar just before the <Citeh> game.
posted on 10/1/12
You can lock-down key players, but if a player then becomes one of the best in the world in his position like Modric or Bale, are they going to be happy without a wage increase?
If a player isn't happy, then more often than not they are no longer a key player.
posted on 10/1/12
Apparently reduced it by £30m in the summer
----------
Konchesky, Maviga, Bruna, Jovanonic, Ayala. Insua, kyrgiakos, poulsen, n'gog, meireles, cole (loan) and ince left the club in the summer.
Henderson, Adam, Doni, Downing, Enrique, Coates, Bellamy and Bijev came to the club in the summer.
You telling me they reduced it by 30 million in wages?
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