The Europa League is turning into a big joke, its only a matter of time before something needs to be done with it otherwise teams will just put out their weakest possibly sides
Could not agree more RRP.....................They should revert to the Cup Winners Cup and if necessary a Europa Cup based on a knockout principle only.
They should also allow the winners of either competition to play off against each other for a CL place the following season or give both winners a place.
This would stimulate interest and also give clubs an incentive to win either trophy!
Greaves - It would honestly JUST take them including the winners of the Europa League gaining a place into the CL Group Stages..thats all it would take, everyone knows it yet nothing is done!
Considering the amount of games played, its only fair a CL place is the prize
What they need to stop doing is
A) Team seeding - which allows the likes of Barca/Real/Chelsea/Arsenal or in this case Porto/Shaktar/United/ etc to have the best seeds thus avoiding any real possibility of early elimination whilst the smaller teams have no chance
B) Don't allow CL teams to drop into the Europa League - Stoke worked since July/August to try and get into the same stage as United and City who will just fall in automatically in February.
I never have and never will comdemn Spurs or Redknapp for fielding a weakened squad, if anything I commend them. Every club should do it, it's the only way UEFA will wake up and smell the coffee.
If we don't make top 4 I am praying for a Cardiff cup win and a 7th placed finish.
No CL losers should be allowed into it.
They ain't going to alter nothing regarding the uefa cup.
Its their big money machine,all them games and whats at the end a prestige less trophy.
Arsenal won't make the Europa league making this all irrelevant. Not sure if anyone has watched them lately? They are effffing shiiiiiiiiiiyte
Europa is a massive joke, its a joke competition much like the Carling Cup (which isn't taken seriously till the latter stages)
Why you let Champions League teams into it after going out
Chronic
Don't be ridiculous. Arsenal will finish 5th at worst
Arsenal will finish 5th, it will take a big capitulation to drop lower than that
But it is Arsenal
"its a joke competition much like the Carling Cup"
I don't consider the League Cup a joke.
Merely that some PL clubs can field weakened squads nowadays without too much fear of an upset.
Those involved in the CL obviously treat it even worse nowadays.
RVP will die soon and they'll plummet in to his grave
Crystal balls at the ready,its prediction time.
RDBD
Re: Carling Cup, no one takes it seriously apart from Liverpool this season
Even we played a scratch team
Look where they are and they haven't had their annual collapse yet Newcastle for 5th
Wilsheres out for a while longer also
Chronic
As much as I hate Arsenal they still have quality.
Newcastle still have to go to Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs and they are not THAT good. They'll probably beat Liverpool to 6th but no better.
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Dropping into the EL is a punishment not a reward.
Its like getting a knock back from a real fit bird,and then getting offered her ugly sister.
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Scrap the Europa League entirely, just have more English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portugese and Dutch teams entering the champions League which would revert to an unseeded knockout competition.
This wont happen as the usual suspects - Bayern, Real, Barca, Milan, Inter, Utd etc want to keep the Champs League as a nice cosy club for the old aristos of course.
Boris
If it's a punishment that why doesn't the team that finishes 4th go into it?
Surely punishment is being eliminated altogether, not being put into a fallback option i.e Europa?
should make the champs league pure knockout.
or keep the groups and get rid of seedings
Revert to pre CL UEFA tournaments.
The true test of a club (which is why I have so much respect for the 80s Pooool on that front) .
Last 32.
Seeding/qualifiers as necessary to let the lesser clubs fight their way to the final 32.
Would also kill the money "arms race" that the CL has caused, as a beneficial side-effect.
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posted on 27/1/12
The Europa League is turning into a big joke, its only a matter of time before something needs to be done with it otherwise teams will just put out their weakest possibly sides
posted on 27/1/12
Could not agree more RRP.....................They should revert to the Cup Winners Cup and if necessary a Europa Cup based on a knockout principle only.
They should also allow the winners of either competition to play off against each other for a CL place the following season or give both winners a place.
This would stimulate interest and also give clubs an incentive to win either trophy!
posted on 27/1/12
Greaves - It would honestly JUST take them including the winners of the Europa League gaining a place into the CL Group Stages..thats all it would take, everyone knows it yet nothing is done!
Considering the amount of games played, its only fair a CL place is the prize
posted on 27/1/12
What they need to stop doing is
A) Team seeding - which allows the likes of Barca/Real/Chelsea/Arsenal or in this case Porto/Shaktar/United/ etc to have the best seeds thus avoiding any real possibility of early elimination whilst the smaller teams have no chance
B) Don't allow CL teams to drop into the Europa League - Stoke worked since July/August to try and get into the same stage as United and City who will just fall in automatically in February.
I never have and never will comdemn Spurs or Redknapp for fielding a weakened squad, if anything I commend them. Every club should do it, it's the only way UEFA will wake up and smell the coffee.
If we don't make top 4 I am praying for a Cardiff cup win and a 7th placed finish.
posted on 27/1/12
No CL losers should be allowed into it.
posted on 27/1/12
They ain't going to alter nothing regarding the uefa cup.
Its their big money machine,all them games and whats at the end a prestige less trophy.
posted on 27/1/12
Arsenal won't make the Europa league making this all irrelevant. Not sure if anyone has watched them lately? They are effffing shiiiiiiiiiiyte
posted on 27/1/12
Europa is a massive joke, its a joke competition much like the Carling Cup (which isn't taken seriously till the latter stages)
Why you let Champions League teams into it after going out
posted on 27/1/12
Chronic
Don't be ridiculous. Arsenal will finish 5th at worst
posted on 27/1/12
Arsenal will finish 5th, it will take a big capitulation to drop lower than that
But it is Arsenal
posted on 27/1/12
"its a joke competition much like the Carling Cup"
I don't consider the League Cup a joke.
Merely that some PL clubs can field weakened squads nowadays without too much fear of an upset.
Those involved in the CL obviously treat it even worse nowadays.
posted on 27/1/12
RVP will die soon and they'll plummet in to his grave
posted on 27/1/12
Crystal balls at the ready,its prediction time.
posted on 27/1/12
RDBD
Re: Carling Cup, no one takes it seriously apart from Liverpool this season
Even we played a scratch team
posted on 27/1/12
Look where they are and they haven't had their annual collapse yet Newcastle for 5th
posted on 27/1/12
Wilsheres out for a while longer also
posted on 27/1/12
Chronic
As much as I hate Arsenal they still have quality.
Newcastle still have to go to Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs and they are not THAT good. They'll probably beat Liverpool to 6th but no better.
posted on 27/1/12
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posted on 27/1/12
Dropping into the EL is a punishment not a reward.
posted on 27/1/12
Its like getting a knock back from a real fit bird,and then getting offered her ugly sister.
posted on 27/1/12
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posted on 27/1/12
Scrap the Europa League entirely, just have more English, French, Spanish, German, Italian, Portugese and Dutch teams entering the champions League which would revert to an unseeded knockout competition.
This wont happen as the usual suspects - Bayern, Real, Barca, Milan, Inter, Utd etc want to keep the Champs League as a nice cosy club for the old aristos of course.
posted on 27/1/12
Boris
If it's a punishment that why doesn't the team that finishes 4th go into it?
Surely punishment is being eliminated altogether, not being put into a fallback option i.e Europa?
posted on 27/1/12
should make the champs league pure knockout.
or keep the groups and get rid of seedings
posted on 27/1/12
Revert to pre CL UEFA tournaments.
The true test of a club (which is why I have so much respect for the 80s Pooool on that front) .
Last 32.
Seeding/qualifiers as necessary to let the lesser clubs fight their way to the final 32.
Would also kill the money "arms race" that the CL has caused, as a beneficial side-effect.
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