Think he's back in around 2-3 weeks, not sure though. I agree regarding Cleverley and Carrick. They would compliment eachother very well and both know how to keep possession and use it wisely. We haven't had a central midfield like that since Carrick and Scholes in 06-07. I'm looking forward to his return.
I think the best partnership would be the Carrick/Clev one, Carrick has been brilliant this season, proving all his doubters wrong, brilliant passer of the ball and has a nac of getting a toe in and knocking players off the ball that goes unnoticed by some fans, theres alot of pressure on Cleverley coming back, i just hope he keeps his head down and plays like he did at the start of the season, will be a like a new signing if he does.
Will be good to have some options back
Have to agree with the Cleverley/Carrick combination as having the best overall look to it
Scholesatov - Yeah I do agree I think they will both deffinately compliment each other.
Philjones4 - Yeah I hope people don't put too much pressure on him
I've heard it could be as soon as the weekend after next. Although I imagine he will be eased back.
Will be very interesting to see him next to Carrick. On paper, it seems like an ideal pairing.
Whats everyones opinion of Ashley Young? Im still quite excited having him at out club, started off very well, goals v West Brom and Arsenal but since he hasnt been great, offers us something different i think..
He's back in full training in about 10 days. So will be another week after that for him to be back on the bench.
Pretty sure Fergie will ease him back in too. He threw him back in last time and just aggrovated his injury again.
im a bit shocked people are saying the carrick/clev partnership would be best, clev and ando were immense as a pair at the start of the season.
duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
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Their lack of positioning also caused us to concede a lot of shots against goal. They played well together, I agree. But, Carrick is back to his best and both he and Cleverley keep the ball better than Anderson.
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713) posted 2 minutes ago
im a bit shocked people are saying the carrick/clev partnership would be best, clev and ando were immense as a pair at the start of the season.
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Indeed but SAF said himself that the line-up was too cavalier.
I can't wait until Ando gets a full season without being injured, at 23, I still think he's going to be a bloody good player for us if he can finally get an injury free run ala Van Persie
Philjones - if I am being perfectly honest I think signing
Ashley Young was a mistake, he is a bit hot and miss with me and to be honest I don't think we really needed him. We needed a left footed left winger not a right footed left winger.
cleverly and carrick def. We were scoring lots but teams were slipping straight through our midfield.
Anderson gives the ball away too much with his hollywoodness. Carrick although not terribly mobile will stay back a bit more.
Indeed but SAF said himself that the line-up was too cavalier.
I can't wait until Ando gets a full season without being injured, at 23, I still think he's going to be a bloody good player for us if he can finally get an injury free run ala Van Persie
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couldnt agree more, i rate ando highly and think that the fact he has constantly been played out of position and moved in and out the team has deffo thwarted any progress that should of been made.
i was at the game against Blackburn and for a player who had been out a while and was back a month early he was probably our best player when he came on, the only midfielder we have with any drive.
Anderson gives the ball away too much with his hollywoodness. Carrick although not terribly mobile will stay back a bit more.
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maybe a little hollywoodness as you call it is what we need.
despite all the possesion against the dippers we created very little because noone was prepared to play the "hollywood" type ball.
instead you had giggs giving the ball away from 5 yards or ballsing up a flick on the edge of the box.
Cleverly seemed to be player who made tick with his short passing and movement, he brought the best out of Welbeck, Rooney and Young at the start of the season when we played some good, quick and short stuff. It looked like we were going in the right direction. Maybe his mobility in the middle was the big factor.
I don't know if I myself rate him too highly, but that's the way I saw the beginning of the season, and the impact Clev had. Martinez speaks very highly of him too.
I agree he'd be best with Carrick, who has been immense and should be a cert for the Euro's if Cappelo has anything about him. Much better than Barry.
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We would lead the league if he was fit.
Prefer the ando-cleverly pairing. For one thing, that was the future, a midfield which if they finally understood their roles could carry us for the next 8-10 yrs. If not for injury and assuming this was a rebuilding yr (we never seem to want to suffer through the rebuilding) it would have been nice to have them paired for 15-20 games especially the business end of the season. I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2. Just does not make tactical sense. 4-4-2 is a mass attack, mass defend formation when done right.
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not doing too badly either.
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Huh?
You wouldn't like something like this?
-------Carrick-----
Nani------Clevs------Young
-----Rooney---Welbeck
Of course a DM is compatible with a 442. United have been adopting it most of the season
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958) posted 51 seconds ago
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not doing too badly either.
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Sorry dude, didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post wasn't there when I started writing mine
Sorry dude, didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post wasn't there when I started writing mine
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always worth repeating that Carrick is more than capable. People are slowly starting to believe it!
Definitely, from what Ive seen on TV, youtube and in the flesh, Cleverly is our best midfielder, and will make an impact if he stays fit
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are
incompatible with 4-4-2
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Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell
him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in
a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not
doing too badly either.
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Its impossible to do it. It becomes a 4-2-3-1 as seen by the overreliance on rooney dropping to be effective as opposed to the days of cole and hesky and also explains why lose possession more since 2006.
4-4-2 is at its best with 2 box-box midfielders, defensively incline one attack minded. See spurs for the example. Dust off some 99 videos, not the pretend one we use now which is almost a 5 man defense, counter attacking team with european sensibilities we operate.
Not to sound bitter but the real 4-4-2 is the formation we started this season with; a mass attack mass defence team which we did not get the time to amend since injuries hindered it. With the right balance a 4-4-2 similar to spurs would be the result only younger and faster.
redastomatoes (U12026)
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Out of Cleverley and Anderson, who would be the more defensively inclined player then? I really don't see how Carrick and Cleverley is that different from Parker and Modric. Parker gets about a little more but can't pass the ball like Carrick so I can't see much difference. Carrick and Cleverley are central midfielders that can pass, tackle, intercept and put the yards in. I fail to see how they won't work in a 442.
It depends who loose or pedantic you want to be with the term 4-4-2.
How many times at OT do you see Rooney forced to drop deep (he might naturally wander about, even 5-0 up, that's his style)?
I'd say 70% of our games are a fairly traditional 4-4-2... Just the bigger games are a looser formation that can change to suit the opposition.
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posted on 30/1/12
Think he's back in around 2-3 weeks, not sure though. I agree regarding Cleverley and Carrick. They would compliment eachother very well and both know how to keep possession and use it wisely. We haven't had a central midfield like that since Carrick and Scholes in 06-07. I'm looking forward to his return.
posted on 30/1/12
I think the best partnership would be the Carrick/Clev one, Carrick has been brilliant this season, proving all his doubters wrong, brilliant passer of the ball and has a nac of getting a toe in and knocking players off the ball that goes unnoticed by some fans, theres alot of pressure on Cleverley coming back, i just hope he keeps his head down and plays like he did at the start of the season, will be a like a new signing if he does.
posted on 30/1/12
Will be good to have some options back
Have to agree with the Cleverley/Carrick combination as having the best overall look to it
posted on 30/1/12
Scholesatov - Yeah I do agree I think they will both deffinately compliment each other.
Philjones4 - Yeah I hope people don't put too much pressure on him
posted on 30/1/12
I've heard it could be as soon as the weekend after next. Although I imagine he will be eased back.
Will be very interesting to see him next to Carrick. On paper, it seems like an ideal pairing.
posted on 30/1/12
Whats everyones opinion of Ashley Young? Im still quite excited having him at out club, started off very well, goals v West Brom and Arsenal but since he hasnt been great, offers us something different i think..
posted on 30/1/12
He's back in full training in about 10 days. So will be another week after that for him to be back on the bench.
Pretty sure Fergie will ease him back in too. He threw him back in last time and just aggrovated his injury again.
posted on 30/1/12
im a bit shocked people are saying the carrick/clev partnership would be best, clev and ando were immense as a pair at the start of the season.
posted on 30/1/12
duncanedwards_legend (U11713)
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Their lack of positioning also caused us to concede a lot of shots against goal. They played well together, I agree. But, Carrick is back to his best and both he and Cleverley keep the ball better than Anderson.
posted on 30/1/12
comment by duncanedwards_legend (U11713) posted 2 minutes ago
im a bit shocked people are saying the carrick/clev partnership would be best, clev and ando were immense as a pair at the start of the season.
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Indeed but SAF said himself that the line-up was too cavalier.
I can't wait until Ando gets a full season without being injured, at 23, I still think he's going to be a bloody good player for us if he can finally get an injury free run ala Van Persie
posted on 30/1/12
Philjones - if I am being perfectly honest I think signing
Ashley Young was a mistake, he is a bit hot and miss with me and to be honest I don't think we really needed him. We needed a left footed left winger not a right footed left winger.
posted on 30/1/12
cleverly and carrick def. We were scoring lots but teams were slipping straight through our midfield.
Anderson gives the ball away too much with his hollywoodness. Carrick although not terribly mobile will stay back a bit more.
posted on 30/1/12
Indeed but SAF said himself that the line-up was too cavalier.
I can't wait until Ando gets a full season without being injured, at 23, I still think he's going to be a bloody good player for us if he can finally get an injury free run ala Van Persie
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couldnt agree more, i rate ando highly and think that the fact he has constantly been played out of position and moved in and out the team has deffo thwarted any progress that should of been made.
i was at the game against Blackburn and for a player who had been out a while and was back a month early he was probably our best player when he came on, the only midfielder we have with any drive.
posted on 30/1/12
Anderson gives the ball away too much with his hollywoodness. Carrick although not terribly mobile will stay back a bit more.
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maybe a little hollywoodness as you call it is what we need.
despite all the possesion against the dippers we created very little because noone was prepared to play the "hollywood" type ball.
instead you had giggs giving the ball away from 5 yards or ballsing up a flick on the edge of the box.
posted on 30/1/12
Cleverly seemed to be player who made tick with his short passing and movement, he brought the best out of Welbeck, Rooney and Young at the start of the season when we played some good, quick and short stuff. It looked like we were going in the right direction. Maybe his mobility in the middle was the big factor.
I don't know if I myself rate him too highly, but that's the way I saw the beginning of the season, and the impact Clev had. Martinez speaks very highly of him too.
I agree he'd be best with Carrick, who has been immense and should be a cert for the Euro's if Cappelo has anything about him. Much better than Barry.
posted on 30/1/12
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posted on 30/1/12
We would lead the league if he was fit.
Prefer the ando-cleverly pairing. For one thing, that was the future, a midfield which if they finally understood their roles could carry us for the next 8-10 yrs. If not for injury and assuming this was a rebuilding yr (we never seem to want to suffer through the rebuilding) it would have been nice to have them paired for 15-20 games especially the business end of the season. I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2. Just does not make tactical sense. 4-4-2 is a mass attack, mass defend formation when done right.
posted on 30/1/12
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not doing too badly either.
posted on 30/1/12
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Huh?
You wouldn't like something like this?
-------Carrick-----
Nani------Clevs------Young
-----Rooney---Welbeck
Of course a DM is compatible with a 442. United have been adopting it most of the season
posted on 30/1/12
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958) posted 51 seconds ago
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are incompatible with 4-4-2
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Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not doing too badly either.
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Sorry dude, didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post wasn't there when I started writing mine
posted on 30/1/12
Sorry dude, didn't mean to repeat what you said. Your post wasn't there when I started writing mine
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always worth repeating that Carrick is more than capable. People are slowly starting to believe it!
posted on 30/1/12
Definitely, from what Ive seen on TV, youtube and in the flesh, Cleverly is our best midfielder, and will make an impact if he stays fit
posted on 30/1/12
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I love carrick but holding/sitting midfields are
incompatible with 4-4-2
-------------------------------------
Someone should tap SAF on the shoulder and tell
him then.... We have been playing with Carrick in
a 4-4-2 as a holding player for 6 seasons now, not
doing too badly either.
********
Its impossible to do it. It becomes a 4-2-3-1 as seen by the overreliance on rooney dropping to be effective as opposed to the days of cole and hesky and also explains why lose possession more since 2006.
4-4-2 is at its best with 2 box-box midfielders, defensively incline one attack minded. See spurs for the example. Dust off some 99 videos, not the pretend one we use now which is almost a 5 man defense, counter attacking team with european sensibilities we operate.
Not to sound bitter but the real 4-4-2 is the formation we started this season with; a mass attack mass defence team which we did not get the time to amend since injuries hindered it. With the right balance a 4-4-2 similar to spurs would be the result only younger and faster.
posted on 30/1/12
redastomatoes (U12026)
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Out of Cleverley and Anderson, who would be the more defensively inclined player then? I really don't see how Carrick and Cleverley is that different from Parker and Modric. Parker gets about a little more but can't pass the ball like Carrick so I can't see much difference. Carrick and Cleverley are central midfielders that can pass, tackle, intercept and put the yards in. I fail to see how they won't work in a 442.
posted on 30/1/12
It depends who loose or pedantic you want to be with the term 4-4-2.
How many times at OT do you see Rooney forced to drop deep (he might naturally wander about, even 5-0 up, that's his style)?
I'd say 70% of our games are a fairly traditional 4-4-2... Just the bigger games are a looser formation that can change to suit the opposition.
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