Seeing as the Red Dog has given you one star, or it could even be a Derby fan, happy that we are bringing in lower league players all the time. I'll give you 5 stars. Paul Green is an experienced championship mid-field player. We need players like this to bring our young lads on. Now lets hope my post will start a bit of controversy with my fellow rams. Cause I know, and most Rams fans know Nigel wants to keep the player. But of course we all know Glick wants to get rid, cause we are only lowly Derby County and our average gate is only 7,000, the lowest crowds in the East midlands. All Glick has got to start doing now is buy one get one free (players that is)

Here is the quote from Nigel

Green signed for Derby in 2008 and there is no new deal on the table.

"We have not offered him a contract, specifically," said Clough. "We had a chat when he got injured last year. We asked if he wanted to sit down and talk about one and his representative at the time said 'no'.

"So, as far as we are concerned the situation has not changed. They haven't come back and said anything to the contrary."

So the ball is in Greens' court.

Here is the fully story

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/Boss-expecting-offers-loan-window-opens/story-15120172-detail/story.html

I can't make out if Green is being offered for loan or not. I can't see how that would benefit us. We would save his wages for 4 months but we need him if we are to make a serious attempt at the playoffs. (which Shackell talks about in another article). Being in the playoffs would more than cover that.

It's not that he wasn't offered a contract per se, rather that he and his agent were asked if they'd care to discuss one, and they refused.

In fairness to DCFC, what are they supposed to do, force him to read one? If the mush doesn't want to negotiate because he knows it'll only result in salary coming down, then that's his prerogative but hardly something to blame Clough or GSE for.

Clearly Greeny thinks he'll get a better offer as a free agent, and good luck to him because that's the whole point of limited-period contracts, but it's not something we can have a pop at either the manager or board for. There's plenty of reasons to discuss both of those parties without resorting to inventing things!!

nothing to stop derby asking to talk again, if they really want to keep him which clough appears to.

Green's agent was asked to discuss contracts when Green was injured, so in all probability they would have wanted to drop his salary.
They should ask him now, and act like proper owners and not cheepskate yankee carpetbaggers and offer him what he is worth.

YANKS OUT

UP THE RAMS

And there's nothing to stop Green asking to talk, if he really wants to stay.

You're looking for bad guys when all there is is business.

Only Paul Green can decide how much he likes the area, likes being settled, enjoys being a senior part of the set-up and getting International recognition because he plays week in, week out. If he wants to go warma bench somewhere else in search of the greener grass, then "Thanks for all you did" and we move on. He's only worth what someone will pay him, and if we want to pay him less than he thinks he's worth then he's free to move on.

Don't get me wrong; I like him, I want to keep him to bring on the young bucks, and he has a good attitude when on the park but he is NOT bigger than the club. He either fits in with the pay structure or he goes, simples.

666 I don't want to get into a conversation or any contaversyabout this but, am I right in saying, Tom Glick said "when we get rid of players like Hulse, Commons, Savage and all the dead wood who were on big wages, Nigel will have more maouvre in the wage structure" So surely Paul Green is one of them? What I'm trying to get at is, there are players at every club (experienced ones) who should get a little extra wages than the young inexperienced lads that we have at the club?....

Is Paul Green a good player? Yes.

Is Paul Green a good enough player to warrant breaking the pay structure? No.

"controversy"

There is no real story in the Green contract. So long as it doesn't effect his game (which it hasn't) then fair doos.

I think the uncertainty of him going on loan or not is more of a story.

You're bang on Wassa; Greeny SHOULD be on significantly more than the youngsters, but I don't think he is as important as Barks, or Shaq, or Wardy..

..so he should be offered less than them, more than the others. He doesn't deserve to be our highest-paid player, it's as simple as that. Some might say he 'owes us' for paying him whilst he's been out injured for so long, but I just think that's part of the system of the relatively-short contracts players are forced to exist on. It could just have easily be that he gets injured in April, playing for us, and then has nothing to rely on for the summer.. it's a risk both parties take from time to time.

I would have been sad to let him go for a nominal fee in January, but would have accepted it. To loan him out to save his wages for the rest of the season would be ridiculous, penny-pinching and short-sighted and frankly inexcusable.

So even when GSE and Clough are right, in the eyes of Uncle Tom Cobbley, they are still wrong.

Green wants to go, let him go. I just don't care any more - and neither does he, apparently. A player who wants to leave, come hell or high water, should be not only allowed to leave - they should be positively encouraged to do so, because they will not be offering 100%, even if they think they are..

I don't think Green is not offering 100%. His level of performance never changes. Since his return from injury his performances have been excellent. He is a true professional and has a lot to prove. If he is wanting to leave then I would say that gives him an even greater incentive to prove his ability to those potential employers.

Just look at Commons last year. He didn't want to stay and his performances where the best we had seen.

As 666 writes, players live in a world of short term contracts. They cannot be seen to be 'not bothered' in their final year. Not a good career move.

He doesn't say he wants to go, Eddie.

He's playing his cards close to chest, as is his right, but I don't think his displays have been lacking since he came back from injury.. moreso, it appears he's been an integral part of our recovery of late. Should his form drop now the window has shut then of course he should be dropped; everyone in the first XI should be there on merit alone (including Maguire!!) and if he continues to be professional, then he should continue to be picked. A 3 year contract is for three years, not 2 years and eight months, and everybody involved in that process should respect it. Nothing Greeny has done in his time at the club suggests he's anything other than a dedicated professional, so to suggest he doesn't care is a bit overboard.

My words written differently.

Well done 666, long may I continue to inspire you.

A measured response to my knee-jerk reaction as usual - you are the epitome of restraint, 666, and 100% correct.

I suppose as usual there's more to this than meets the eye - I suppose I yearn for the days when parasitic agents weren't always lurking in the background - either that or I wish I'd thought of the idea first.

No, MY words... I paused to investigate OOE's reports to see how Green's performance ratings had plummeted, but couldn't get the Coventry one to load and so gave up. Mostly, he's been getting a six off Eddie.

I think we can put this down to my glorious return to 606dom, and the finite tuning I have undertaken with all you simpletons who were having to think for yourselves, and failing miserably. Congratulations, Iwas: you're successfully converted back into the Global Branding that is 666

Re the Coventry marks - yes, another 6. He has been very consistent since he got back in the side so that's pretty good. Someone has to do exceptionally well to squeeze an 8 out of me, and 'ok' tends to be a 5. I would tend to have Bryson and Bailey ahead of him in the pecking-order, and if they are using Tom Carroll as the lynch-pin then there doesn't appear to be a definite place for him in the starting line-up. Basically he's vying with Hendrick, and I know where my vote would go at the moment.

Well done in putting those words into my mind for you to copy. Quite brilliant.

Anyway it gave OOE someone to respond to otherwise the thread would of died. You see, he's blocked me from commenting on his threads and is ignoring me.

Nigel Clough and Paul Green should get their heads together and discuss the situation between themselves with regard to a new contract. People like Glick and the players agent should keep out of the matter until Nigel and Paul Green discuss what is on offer first. Yes we all want a fair days pay for what we do but you can only accept what is on offer and what the club can afford. Get your heads together Nigel and Paul, be men and get this sorted out quickly without interference from others.

Iwas:

I still log off and have a look at your comments occasionally because for the most part your comments are interesting and thought-provoking.

Saying that, I blocked you a month ago because you were behaving like a teat one evening, and I thought that it was wiser to not read what you were posting for a while otherwise it would have become even more inflammatory on here because I would have been down the modem, over the network, through your keyboard and ripping your fingers off - metaphorically, of course.

To save you logging in and out Eddie, I'll just tell you both what Iwas thinks about something, and cut out the middleman.

Iwas likes this arrangement

So are we friends again OOE?

Can you beat someone with the soggy-end of a ripped out finger?

You'll have to wait for an increasingly-rare moment of OOE lucidity to coincide with a 606 visit, Iwas.. probably best just to come to terms with not being able to comment on his wildly-innacurate, speculative and plagiairised "Reports" and move on.

It could be worse; you be AJ, who has to cope with being able to interact with the cantakerous old drunkard.