the problem is that the rarer wins become, the more meaningless they are.
there is just a real sense of inevitability about everything.
Exactly the same.
It's not that I don't care, it's just that no matter how bad things get or will get, nothing will change. The least you want is if thing are going badly or wrong, be that on the pitch or off it, that the powers that be will at least take on board what the fans are saying and want, even if in the end those concerns are not met 100% to the liking of the majority. At the very least an acknowledgement of the concerns from the top would be nice. I think the fact that the silence from the top has been deafening, has made a lot of people feel alienated from the club (I do anyway) as the club doesn't feel like ours anymore, or at least not in the same way it used too.
That, and the fact that I used to go into any game thinking that we could get something out of it, especially at home, which got me excited for every game. Now a draw seems like a massive result, even against (and no disrespect at all to them) teams like Wigan, in the context of this season. I used to feel, and it was, that Ewood was a fortress and a place teams hating coming, now teams just kind of have to show up and they can walk away with something.
It just isn't the same club that it was even a few years ago, the passion from the top to the bottom seems to be slowly draining. I find it sad to be honest, the soul seems to have been ripped away from Rover's.
I think another thing that is causing apathy is that fans like to think they have some influence in what happens to their club, particularly when things are going wrong. And to an extent I think we did under the previous regime. Williams would never have persisted with a manager for 10-20 games after 99% of fans had decided they wanted him sacked.
However with this lot in charge we clearly don't have any influence on anything. They almost seemed determined to deliberately do things the fans don't want them to. Getting rid of Williams was deeply unpopular, getting rid of Allardyce was unpopular (although at the time not as much as it should have been), getting rid of Nelsen, Emerton and Diouf was unpopular.
I don't imagine there's a living Rovers fan who can recall another regime that literally couldn't give a stuff about what the fans think. So whats the point in having an opinion when nobody listens? Hence the apathy.
Couldn't agree more blueandwhitehalves.
The fact that we know that anything the fans feel will not be taken on board has made me feel very alienated from the club. Especially when you consider how it used to be.
Every decision that is made seems to be one that is not wanted by the fans, and yet know one is there to explain any of the actions. The club has become detatched from its own fanbase.
Just been reading L T site and it says the indian national football squad have cancelled their visit to Blackburn because of current difficulties at the club.
"They are going through some management problems at the moment." Kushal Das, India football general secretary.
Could this be the end of baldy bstrd??
Unlikely, "management problems" probably means that the Venky's are hiding from them too.
Kean is not going. Sorry to say this as nearly all of us wish he was, but he would have gone by now if he was.
To be fair, with the Venky's in charge, which kind of manager would come in and take the job? Not the type we are all hoping for, not in my opinion anyway.
Yep, and it starts making you think exactly what you're supporting. All Venkys think Rovers are is just one of their hundred or so subsidiary companies. As far as they're concerned all they seem to want out of us is to preferably make a profit, do as we're told and not take up too much of their time. And as a fan there couldn't be anything less fulfilling than supporting an insignificant, back-shelf part of the Venky empire.
So we're not going to support the owners anymore, we're not going to support the manager, all modern players are effectively mercenaries. So what is it about the club thats actually worth supporting? The name, the town and the kit is pretty much all thats sustaining my interest in Rovers, and that 2nd aspect presumably only applies to the very local fans.
Even the kit isn't bothering me at the moment. I've had loads of emails advertising a special deal on shirts but the thought of my money going towards Venky's makes me sick.
Sad but true B&WH.
I do also enjoy seeing the guys from our youth set-up coming through, especially Lowe this season, and he si quickly becomming one of my favourite Rover's players, even if just for his acknowlegement of the fans at the end of games (even through the tough period for both fans and players of the protests).
MGP, as much as he gets stick (and rightly so for some his performances) still seems to fight for the shirt, and Robinson seems to care as well (again, even if his performances this season have been up to scratch, especially when compared to seasons gone by). Just seems like the majority of the staff and players at Rovers don't seem to care as much as the fans, which I guess is to be accepted in this modern era, even if we don't want to, or find it hard to accept sometimes.
Agree with all comments posted here.
I don't now travel to away games. I do not now support the club shop. I don't buy off the concourses. I am lumbered with my season ticket, or I would not have bothered missing work and going to half the matches this year. I will not be renewing my season ticket under VenKean.
I am a serious supporter of long-standing. I have spent thousands following and supporting the club. Five in my family have season tickets. I am just one small example of the money being lost overall by the Venky's and I dread to think where all this will end up and what will be left of the club and fans at the end.
oojw
That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606.
It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that.
That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606.
It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that.
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Agreed, think it shows just what the club means to us fans and how increasing isolated we are becomming from Rovers.
I think that post, combined with the other points made in this thread, just show how badly Rover's has fallen, not just in the league but in the hearts of its fans too. Seems like a horrible dream that we just can't wake up from.
"oojw - That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606. It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that!"
Sorry was not trying to lower the tone. Thanks for the kind words and support, but for a little bit of context, the saddest posts are those detailing the problems faced by the likes of Ablett and Gary Speed for example.
My problems with the club are temporary only. Nothing lasts forever and when the Venky's leave, fingers crossed the club can be pieced back together by someone who really cares and knows what they are doing.
I won't and can't join in the vocal protests as it goes against the grain somewhat for me during the matches. I do not judge or criticise those that do, I fully understand their anger and frustrations and my silent protest for want of a better description has been reserved to withdrawing my time and money wherever possible.
Kean will go when his contract finishes. Its that simple.
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Kean will go when his contract finishes. Its that simple.
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OOJW
I think we all hope that when Venky's leave, that whoever buys the club respects the traditions, history and the fanbase of the club. I know it has been said numerous times, but that is what I can't fathom, how the Venky's can disregard the fans so much. Not even an acknowlegment through a statement.
I do not join in the protests during matches either as I want to be 100% focussed on the team and the pitch and supporting the boy's. I am not saying the protester's aren't, not for one second, but protesting is not what I want to do during the match. I feel the anger of them too and respect their right to protest.
I think the position that Rover's are in at the moment as well has been completely played down by the media, and if this was happening at a more 'fashionable club' the media would be all over it like a rash. Which would help gain support against the Venky's. The way Rover's fans have been potrayed by media outlets is not only unfair, but the message of the Rover's fans has been completely lost and twisted into something it isn't. They have twisted it so that it seems like the fans are against the team, which could not be furthur from the truth and shows complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the situation us fans are in.
Like you, not supporting the Venky's financially is the best I feel I can do, and hopefully over time, the combined efforts of fans will slowly get them out and we can take our club back.
I have supported (financially) the Rovers since the early 80s (Southampton loss 0 -1 in the cup to be precise) I have travelled the length and breadth of this country following Rovers, I used to go into work on a Monday and read every snippet of news I could find, listened to radio Lancashire all the time and trawled teletext of a night. If we won then I was on a High all week and conversely if we lost I was depressed all week. My love of Rovers cost me my marriage in early 1990 when on a make or break trip to the Lake District I came back to watch Rovers v Spurs, she left 2 weeks later. The point I’m making is that these days I’m a lot more subdued than in my "youth” my passion for Rovers now glows rather than roars. I just wonder what I think I would do nowadays if I was person from those days. Suffice to say I think I would be in prison. Venky’s know exactly what they are doing and that is to Asset strip the club, they bear no hatred or love towards us and as far as they are concerned we do not exist. Kean will see out his contract and the venkys will fold Venkys London when we enter administration. We the fans will start it again.
"My love of Rovers cost me my marriage in early 1990 when on a make or break trip to the Lake District I came back to watch Rovers v Spurs, she left 2 weeks later"
You Sir, are my hero!
My attendance at Ewood Park has been "patchy" to say the least, as must confess Football isn't my die hard sport It's F1 but that's by the by.
But I know what you mean, Rovers drove my 'interest' in football because it was the only club that seemed "Wholesome" and I certainly thought I knew what it stood for, the same that many of us are feeling now. Now my interest wanes, Just another soulless business,
I had a thought the other day: Attendances at Rovers have a slight drop, but there's still plenty attend! So maybe not everyone thinks same.
Sadly at first I was cross, but now I suppose am mourning, BRFC is the property of Venkys, Whatever they want to do with it is up to them, they paid the price wanted by the previous owners and that's that, Lets assume you put a price on your most prized possession, Lets assume thats a Car, and £1m is your price, you hope no-one buys it. But someone does, and then proceeds to smash it to pieces in front of your eyes, very traumatic, but tough! Its now theirs, Not yours!
I've been feeling increasingly disconnected for a while now, too. Not just with Rovers but with football in general, it just doesn't excite me as much as it used to.
Rugby, Boxing and American Football are my 3 main sports now. Football lingers in 3rd.
I had a thought the other day: Attendances at Rovers have a slight drop, but there's still plenty attend! So maybe not everyone thinks same.
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I am still there in attendance but that is only due to me having bought a season ticket and not wanting to waste it having spent my money on it. Plus, for this season at least, the team needs the support and maybe if we stay up things will improve next season. I know that is based on nothing and is hugely unlikely, but I need that hope, I don't want Rover's to continue on the path it is going, even if it does seem inevitable.
In fairness I think those a lot of people that are still attending are for the same reasons as me, they have a season ticket and don't want to waste it, especially having spent money on it. Interested to hear what others views are on this? Or if anyone has a season ticket and has just decided enough is enough and is not using it anymore?
I will not buy another one next season and I imagine there are a lot of people in the same boat as me. Unless the Venky's go, I will not renew my season ticket, they are not going to get anymore money out of me.
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posted on 7/2/12
Me too
posted on 7/2/12
the problem is that the rarer wins become, the more meaningless they are.
there is just a real sense of inevitability about everything.
posted on 7/2/12
Exactly the same.
It's not that I don't care, it's just that no matter how bad things get or will get, nothing will change. The least you want is if thing are going badly or wrong, be that on the pitch or off it, that the powers that be will at least take on board what the fans are saying and want, even if in the end those concerns are not met 100% to the liking of the majority. At the very least an acknowledgement of the concerns from the top would be nice. I think the fact that the silence from the top has been deafening, has made a lot of people feel alienated from the club (I do anyway) as the club doesn't feel like ours anymore, or at least not in the same way it used too.
That, and the fact that I used to go into any game thinking that we could get something out of it, especially at home, which got me excited for every game. Now a draw seems like a massive result, even against (and no disrespect at all to them) teams like Wigan, in the context of this season. I used to feel, and it was, that Ewood was a fortress and a place teams hating coming, now teams just kind of have to show up and they can walk away with something.
It just isn't the same club that it was even a few years ago, the passion from the top to the bottom seems to be slowly draining. I find it sad to be honest, the soul seems to have been ripped away from Rover's.
posted on 7/2/12
I think another thing that is causing apathy is that fans like to think they have some influence in what happens to their club, particularly when things are going wrong. And to an extent I think we did under the previous regime. Williams would never have persisted with a manager for 10-20 games after 99% of fans had decided they wanted him sacked.
However with this lot in charge we clearly don't have any influence on anything. They almost seemed determined to deliberately do things the fans don't want them to. Getting rid of Williams was deeply unpopular, getting rid of Allardyce was unpopular (although at the time not as much as it should have been), getting rid of Nelsen, Emerton and Diouf was unpopular.
I don't imagine there's a living Rovers fan who can recall another regime that literally couldn't give a stuff about what the fans think. So whats the point in having an opinion when nobody listens? Hence the apathy.
posted on 7/2/12
Couldn't agree more blueandwhitehalves.
The fact that we know that anything the fans feel will not be taken on board has made me feel very alienated from the club. Especially when you consider how it used to be.
Every decision that is made seems to be one that is not wanted by the fans, and yet know one is there to explain any of the actions. The club has become detatched from its own fanbase.
posted on 7/2/12
*no-one...not know one.
posted on 7/2/12
Just been reading L T site and it says the indian national football squad have cancelled their visit to Blackburn because of current difficulties at the club.
"They are going through some management problems at the moment." Kushal Das, India football general secretary.
Could this be the end of baldy bstrd??
posted on 7/2/12
Unlikely, "management problems" probably means that the Venky's are hiding from them too.
posted on 7/2/12
Kean is not going. Sorry to say this as nearly all of us wish he was, but he would have gone by now if he was.
To be fair, with the Venky's in charge, which kind of manager would come in and take the job? Not the type we are all hoping for, not in my opinion anyway.
posted on 7/2/12
Yep, and it starts making you think exactly what you're supporting. All Venkys think Rovers are is just one of their hundred or so subsidiary companies. As far as they're concerned all they seem to want out of us is to preferably make a profit, do as we're told and not take up too much of their time. And as a fan there couldn't be anything less fulfilling than supporting an insignificant, back-shelf part of the Venky empire.
So we're not going to support the owners anymore, we're not going to support the manager, all modern players are effectively mercenaries. So what is it about the club thats actually worth supporting? The name, the town and the kit is pretty much all thats sustaining my interest in Rovers, and that 2nd aspect presumably only applies to the very local fans.
posted on 7/2/12
Even the kit isn't bothering me at the moment. I've had loads of emails advertising a special deal on shirts but the thought of my money going towards Venky's makes me sick.
posted on 7/2/12
Sad but true B&WH.
I do also enjoy seeing the guys from our youth set-up coming through, especially Lowe this season, and he si quickly becomming one of my favourite Rover's players, even if just for his acknowlegement of the fans at the end of games (even through the tough period for both fans and players of the protests).
MGP, as much as he gets stick (and rightly so for some his performances) still seems to fight for the shirt, and Robinson seems to care as well (again, even if his performances this season have been up to scratch, especially when compared to seasons gone by). Just seems like the majority of the staff and players at Rovers don't seem to care as much as the fans, which I guess is to be accepted in this modern era, even if we don't want to, or find it hard to accept sometimes.
posted on 7/2/12
Agree with all comments posted here.
I don't now travel to away games. I do not now support the club shop. I don't buy off the concourses. I am lumbered with my season ticket, or I would not have bothered missing work and going to half the matches this year. I will not be renewing my season ticket under VenKean.
I am a serious supporter of long-standing. I have spent thousands following and supporting the club. Five in my family have season tickets. I am just one small example of the money being lost overall by the Venky's and I dread to think where all this will end up and what will be left of the club and fans at the end.
posted on 7/2/12
oojw
That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606.
It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that.
posted on 7/2/12
That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606.
It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that.
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Agreed, think it shows just what the club means to us fans and how increasing isolated we are becomming from Rovers.
I think that post, combined with the other points made in this thread, just show how badly Rover's has fallen, not just in the league but in the hearts of its fans too. Seems like a horrible dream that we just can't wake up from.
posted on 7/2/12
"oojw - That has to be one of the saddest posts ever read on 606. It really does sum things up,really don't know what to say to that!"
Sorry was not trying to lower the tone. Thanks for the kind words and support, but for a little bit of context, the saddest posts are those detailing the problems faced by the likes of Ablett and Gary Speed for example.
My problems with the club are temporary only. Nothing lasts forever and when the Venky's leave, fingers crossed the club can be pieced back together by someone who really cares and knows what they are doing.
I won't and can't join in the vocal protests as it goes against the grain somewhat for me during the matches. I do not judge or criticise those that do, I fully understand their anger and frustrations and my silent protest for want of a better description has been reserved to withdrawing my time and money wherever possible.
posted on 7/2/12
Kean will go when his contract finishes. Its that simple.
posted on 7/2/12
oojw
posted on 7/2/12
comment by McVenkys - Im puking it! (U2591)
posted 4 minutes ago
Kean will go when his contract finishes. Its that simple.
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To be replaced by an even more inadequate puppet
posted on 7/2/12
OOJW
I think we all hope that when Venky's leave, that whoever buys the club respects the traditions, history and the fanbase of the club. I know it has been said numerous times, but that is what I can't fathom, how the Venky's can disregard the fans so much. Not even an acknowlegment through a statement.
I do not join in the protests during matches either as I want to be 100% focussed on the team and the pitch and supporting the boy's. I am not saying the protester's aren't, not for one second, but protesting is not what I want to do during the match. I feel the anger of them too and respect their right to protest.
I think the position that Rover's are in at the moment as well has been completely played down by the media, and if this was happening at a more 'fashionable club' the media would be all over it like a rash. Which would help gain support against the Venky's. The way Rover's fans have been potrayed by media outlets is not only unfair, but the message of the Rover's fans has been completely lost and twisted into something it isn't. They have twisted it so that it seems like the fans are against the team, which could not be furthur from the truth and shows complete lack of understanding and ignorance of the situation us fans are in.
Like you, not supporting the Venky's financially is the best I feel I can do, and hopefully over time, the combined efforts of fans will slowly get them out and we can take our club back.
posted on 7/2/12
I have supported (financially) the Rovers since the early 80s (Southampton loss 0 -1 in the cup to be precise) I have travelled the length and breadth of this country following Rovers, I used to go into work on a Monday and read every snippet of news I could find, listened to radio Lancashire all the time and trawled teletext of a night. If we won then I was on a High all week and conversely if we lost I was depressed all week. My love of Rovers cost me my marriage in early 1990 when on a make or break trip to the Lake District I came back to watch Rovers v Spurs, she left 2 weeks later. The point I’m making is that these days I’m a lot more subdued than in my "youth” my passion for Rovers now glows rather than roars. I just wonder what I think I would do nowadays if I was person from those days. Suffice to say I think I would be in prison. Venky’s know exactly what they are doing and that is to Asset strip the club, they bear no hatred or love towards us and as far as they are concerned we do not exist. Kean will see out his contract and the venkys will fold Venkys London when we enter administration. We the fans will start it again.
posted on 7/2/12
"My love of Rovers cost me my marriage in early 1990 when on a make or break trip to the Lake District I came back to watch Rovers v Spurs, she left 2 weeks later"
You Sir, are my hero!
posted on 7/2/12
My attendance at Ewood Park has been "patchy" to say the least, as must confess Football isn't my die hard sport It's F1 but that's by the by.
But I know what you mean, Rovers drove my 'interest' in football because it was the only club that seemed "Wholesome" and I certainly thought I knew what it stood for, the same that many of us are feeling now. Now my interest wanes, Just another soulless business,
I had a thought the other day: Attendances at Rovers have a slight drop, but there's still plenty attend! So maybe not everyone thinks same.
Sadly at first I was cross, but now I suppose am mourning, BRFC is the property of Venkys, Whatever they want to do with it is up to them, they paid the price wanted by the previous owners and that's that, Lets assume you put a price on your most prized possession, Lets assume thats a Car, and £1m is your price, you hope no-one buys it. But someone does, and then proceeds to smash it to pieces in front of your eyes, very traumatic, but tough! Its now theirs, Not yours!
posted on 7/2/12
I've been feeling increasingly disconnected for a while now, too. Not just with Rovers but with football in general, it just doesn't excite me as much as it used to.
Rugby, Boxing and American Football are my 3 main sports now. Football lingers in 3rd.
posted on 7/2/12
I had a thought the other day: Attendances at Rovers have a slight drop, but there's still plenty attend! So maybe not everyone thinks same.
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I am still there in attendance but that is only due to me having bought a season ticket and not wanting to waste it having spent my money on it. Plus, for this season at least, the team needs the support and maybe if we stay up things will improve next season. I know that is based on nothing and is hugely unlikely, but I need that hope, I don't want Rover's to continue on the path it is going, even if it does seem inevitable.
In fairness I think those a lot of people that are still attending are for the same reasons as me, they have a season ticket and don't want to waste it, especially having spent money on it. Interested to hear what others views are on this? Or if anyone has a season ticket and has just decided enough is enough and is not using it anymore?
I will not buy another one next season and I imagine there are a lot of people in the same boat as me. Unless the Venky's go, I will not renew my season ticket, they are not going to get anymore money out of me.
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