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Shameless Smith must be shltting himself
The funny thing again is outside of England guess what.........no one cares. Only the English care what is happening, this isnt even a news story anywhere else. Why people are saying this will look bad on the nation i have no idea, because no one outside of England cares, they only report on the carp being spewed by the English gutter press. Look at news stories from around the world and you will see no one is reporting on this issue apart from the English.
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Is this referring to the appointment of Capello?
The Americans are reporting it:
http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/fabio-capello-resigns-as-england-manager-after-john-terry-stripped-of-captaincy.html
Plus why would other nations report it. Why as English people, are we so arrogant that we think any other nation would care who our manager is?
I know of Del Bosque, Low and Blanc and they're the only other international managers I know. Why would people care about England?
Elvis everyone has been stating it will be "bad for the nation" from MPs to Journos to the correspondants at Sky and the BBC.............
Fred you on the right article mate - the OP:
Did the FA and Media blow JT's case out of proportion?
Yes, 'racism' has zero tolerance, but the 'accused' in this particular incident, hasn't even been found guilty.
Some people are blaming Terry for this whole mess, but the FA should have thought about the consequences, when they decided to take matters into their own hands.
I think both the Suarez and Evra cases were blown out of proportion but that's just my opinion.
comment by Simon West (U1830) posted 18 minutes ago
The funny thing again is outside of England guess what.........no one cares. Only the English care what is happening, this isnt even a news story anywhere else. Why people are saying this will look bad on the nation i have no idea, because no one outside of England cares, they only report on the carp being spewed by the English gutter press. Look at news stories from around the world and you will see no one is reporting on this issue apart from the English.
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It is a sports news story in other countries though, not front page stuff but it's geting some coverage. It's bound to be a bigger deal in England though isn't it?
agree with you Fred.. we've gotta stop this zero tolerance nonsense and be more open minded. Evra insulted Suarez (and admitted it), Suarez (according to Evra) insulted Evra... i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
I dont think so other than the huge coverage it is getting here, and then the subsequence things that have happened ie Cappello quitting i think you will struggle to find a story reported by a foreign paper that does contain "Reported by BBC UK or Sky UK". But that is just my opinion and what i have seen. Having lived outside the UK for a number of years and seeing big stories on the BBC website and then trying to find stories locally to where i was almost impossible.
Fred mate agree 100% and having lived in a latino country i can tell you what Suarez said is 100% the truth. You call a coloured person a N with certain sub fixes like Suraez did no one would but an eye lid, you call them black though and they will smack you in the face..............
The England national team is a joke end of
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
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comment by TGI® Fry™ (U9236)
posted 2 minutes ago
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
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I think "black c*nt" is worse than "why, black?" But each to their own I suppose.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ (U9236)
posted 2 minutes ago
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
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I think "black c*nt" is worse than "why, black?" But each to their own I suppose.
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Is that what was said though? Like I said I'm only going by rumours.
also it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitude, which needs to be stamped completely out of the gamealso it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leiniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitudem, which needs to be stamped completly out of the game
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What about the infamous Dianne Abbot and her racist comments towards all white people, should she be sacked from her job too ??
Or does this zero tollerance have a whiff of apartheid about it and apply to white people only
comment by SANDSEND 59 fenton, fenton, FENTON, oh jesus ... (U6325)
posted 6 minutes ago
also it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitude, which needs to be stamped completely out of the gamealso it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leiniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitudem, which needs to be stamped completly out of the game
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What about the infamous Dianne Abbot and her racist comments towards all white people, should she be sacked from her job too ??
Or does this zero tollerance have a whiff of apartheid about it and apply to white people only
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This does seem to be the case. And this is no fault of any race but the PC Brigade who go over the top in trying to find fault. As we all know, every race is equal, so should be treated equally, whereby saying a black person is black is allowed. Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's. At the moment these two things are causing a problem.
Outside England this is not a story
Ron Atkinson next England manager
Quick question-
How many of you, having verbally abused an opponent and got some back would
a) run to the ref?
b) have a word with the opponent after the game?
This does seem to be the case. And this is no fault of any race but the PC Brigade who go over the top in trying to find fault. As we all know, every race is equal, so should be treated equally, whereby saying a black person is black is allowed. Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's. At the moment these two things are causing a problem.
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Which is exactly why you could argue (putting PC stuff aside) that Terry didn't say anything racial per se, granted it's flimsy but technically accurate. Whereas Suarez implied by his (rumoured) comments that he was treating Evra a certain way because of his race.
johnsonsbaby
i think most would just clatter the fella in next tackle. Evra having the audactity to use the race card after him having initiating the insults grates on me
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"Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's"
Well correct me if im wrong but if you are black it is OK to call another black person a N? Please dont quote me on this and this just may be a silly boy basing his views of black people on rapping videos and Hollywood movies.
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posted on 9/2/12
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Shameless Smith must be shltting himself
posted on 9/2/12
The funny thing again is outside of England guess what.........no one cares. Only the English care what is happening, this isnt even a news story anywhere else. Why people are saying this will look bad on the nation i have no idea, because no one outside of England cares, they only report on the carp being spewed by the English gutter press. Look at news stories from around the world and you will see no one is reporting on this issue apart from the English.
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Is this referring to the appointment of Capello?
The Americans are reporting it:
http://www.nesn.com/2012/02/fabio-capello-resigns-as-england-manager-after-john-terry-stripped-of-captaincy.html
Plus why would other nations report it. Why as English people, are we so arrogant that we think any other nation would care who our manager is?
I know of Del Bosque, Low and Blanc and they're the only other international managers I know. Why would people care about England?
posted on 9/2/12
Elvis everyone has been stating it will be "bad for the nation" from MPs to Journos to the correspondants at Sky and the BBC.............
posted on 9/2/12
Fred you on the right article mate - the OP:
Did the FA and Media blow JT's case out of proportion?
Yes, 'racism' has zero tolerance, but the 'accused' in this particular incident, hasn't even been found guilty.
Some people are blaming Terry for this whole mess, but the FA should have thought about the consequences, when they decided to take matters into their own hands.
posted on 9/2/12
I think both the Suarez and Evra cases were blown out of proportion but that's just my opinion.
posted on 9/2/12
comment by Simon West (U1830) posted 18 minutes ago
The funny thing again is outside of England guess what.........no one cares. Only the English care what is happening, this isnt even a news story anywhere else. Why people are saying this will look bad on the nation i have no idea, because no one outside of England cares, they only report on the carp being spewed by the English gutter press. Look at news stories from around the world and you will see no one is reporting on this issue apart from the English.
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It is a sports news story in other countries though, not front page stuff but it's geting some coverage. It's bound to be a bigger deal in England though isn't it?
posted on 9/2/12
agree with you Fred.. we've gotta stop this zero tolerance nonsense and be more open minded. Evra insulted Suarez (and admitted it), Suarez (according to Evra) insulted Evra... i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
posted on 9/2/12
I dont think so other than the huge coverage it is getting here, and then the subsequence things that have happened ie Cappello quitting i think you will struggle to find a story reported by a foreign paper that does contain "Reported by BBC UK or Sky UK". But that is just my opinion and what i have seen. Having lived outside the UK for a number of years and seeing big stories on the BBC website and then trying to find stories locally to where i was almost impossible.
posted on 9/2/12
Fred mate agree 100% and having lived in a latino country i can tell you what Suarez said is 100% the truth. You call a coloured person a N with certain sub fixes like Suraez did no one would but an eye lid, you call them black though and they will smack you in the face..............
posted on 9/2/12
The England national team is a joke end of
posted on 9/2/12
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
posted on 9/2/12
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posted on 9/2/12
comment by TGI® Fry™ (U9236)
posted 2 minutes ago
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
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I think "black c*nt" is worse than "why, black?" But each to their own I suppose.
posted on 9/2/12
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posted on 9/2/12
What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said
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From a Chelsea fan? Shocker.
posted on 9/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721) posted 3 minutes ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ (U9236)
posted 2 minutes ago
i dont see the difference whether its your sister, mother, hair, fat, colour of skin etc...an insult is an insult. There isnt a scale of which insult hurts the most as everyone is different. What about Lampard being called Fat Frank for example throughout his career!!?? that is for me light years more of an insult than what Suarez and Terry "probably" said.
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What Terry is purported to have said is in my opinion less hurtful than what Suarez is purported to have said (although I'm only basing that on what the rumours are), but both are racial and not having been the victim of racial abuse I guess can't really opine on whether that's worse than being called "Fat Frank". I would have to think it would be, particular for an ethnic minority.
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I think "black c*nt" is worse than "why, black?" But each to their own I suppose.
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Is that what was said though? Like I said I'm only going by rumours.
posted on 9/2/12
also it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitude, which needs to be stamped completely out of the gamealso it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leiniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitudem, which needs to be stamped completly out of the game
======================================
What about the infamous Dianne Abbot and her racist comments towards all white people, should she be sacked from her job too ??
Or does this zero tollerance have a whiff of apartheid about it and apply to white people only
posted on 9/2/12
comment by SANDSEND 59 fenton, fenton, FENTON, oh jesus ... (U6325)
posted 6 minutes ago
also it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitude, which needs to be stamped completely out of the gamealso it was widespread in the 70's and 80's, a zero tolerance policy is the best way to stamp it out. Any type of leiniency would just be taking a soft stance on a vulgar attitudem, which needs to be stamped completly out of the game
======================================
What about the infamous Dianne Abbot and her racist comments towards all white people, should she be sacked from her job too ??
Or does this zero tollerance have a whiff of apartheid about it and apply to white people only
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This does seem to be the case. And this is no fault of any race but the PC Brigade who go over the top in trying to find fault. As we all know, every race is equal, so should be treated equally, whereby saying a black person is black is allowed. Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's. At the moment these two things are causing a problem.
posted on 9/2/12
Outside England this is not a story
posted on 9/2/12
Ron Atkinson next England manager
posted on 9/2/12
Quick question-
How many of you, having verbally abused an opponent and got some back would
a) run to the ref?
b) have a word with the opponent after the game?
posted on 9/2/12
This does seem to be the case. And this is no fault of any race but the PC Brigade who go over the top in trying to find fault. As we all know, every race is equal, so should be treated equally, whereby saying a black person is black is allowed. Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's. At the moment these two things are causing a problem.
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Which is exactly why you could argue (putting PC stuff aside) that Terry didn't say anything racial per se, granted it's flimsy but technically accurate. Whereas Suarez implied by his (rumoured) comments that he was treating Evra a certain way because of his race.
posted on 9/2/12
johnsonsbaby
i think most would just clatter the fella in next tackle. Evra having the audactity to use the race card after him having initiating the insults grates on me
posted on 9/2/12
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posted on 9/2/12
"Where saying the n-word is not allowed to be used by either white's or black's"
Well correct me if im wrong but if you are black it is OK to call another black person a N? Please dont quote me on this and this just may be a silly boy basing his views of black people on rapping videos and Hollywood movies.
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