comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 1 minute ago
Time for Gerrard Lampard Barry and Rio to step aside for the players that will take us into Brazil
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Stopped reading there I am afraid. Lampard's the future.
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Nah, garlic bread is the future
BusbyBabes
There probably are cliques in the squad. I wouldnt say they're all because of Terry. Who knows eh?
I want him to retire from England to be honest. He's stil got 2/3 years left in him at club level
UnitedRedMacca
If you cant see how Frank Lampard is the future for our midfield then I cannot carry this discusson on any further with you.
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 58 seconds ago
UnitedRedMacca
If you cant see how Frank Lampard is the future for our midfield then I cannot carry this discusson on any further with you.
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Works for me
You settled your differences with TOOR macca? Has he seen the light yet?
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 2 minutes ago
You settled your differences with TOOR macca? Has he seen the light yet?
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lol It wasn't a dispute, he just lacks a basic understanding of racial issues. Sad he feels the way he does tbh
Mind you, he's probably bright enough to know Lampard isn't the futureof England
Captain_Positivity (U2394)
Optimistic*
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Words cannot describe the stupidity of TOOR.
Words cannot describe the stupidity of TOOR.
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I beg to difer.
" A complete and utter buffoon"
I feel describes TOOR as well as anything.
Vidicschin - I think buffoon's all over the world will be offended.
At a school – keeping the teacher in that position could endanger the children – Mel Gibson still making films whilst being accused of wife beating and anti semetic remarks effects no one apart from the box office takings
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At club level, this is fine... He is affecting his own value, but the club tends to shield the player and the dressing room know it is in their interest to just get over it.
At international level though, where people don't know each other as well, maybe the office/business scenario is more apt. Suspend of the accused, for the greater good of the team.
We were better under sven, than at any point since he left.
He got us to the quarters of major tournaments, and also made the players give a good go of it. Portugal knocked us out through penalties, and brazil, had it not been for one of the most flukiest/outrageous goals ever scored, would have probably had to beat us the same way. We never once got embarassed on the big stage and always made it to tournaments under him.
Look back at his squads. Yeah the likes of rio, gerrard etc were there. But England teams havent really matched up to top squads in int football for a very long time. So I dont know what people expected, people are thinking, redknapp will make some huge difference, he wont. Were simply not good enough.
People did'nt appreciate his calm demeanor but he was a good manager at the end of the day and has one of the best records, given the amount of time he was in charge for, that's no small feat.
Agree with Stretty
We actually played decent football under Sven.
Under Capello and Mclaren, the football has been dire to say the least. Cant watch an England match anymore
I remember that classic match against Portugal under Sven. We matched them for a good while and we went out on penalties I think?
People did'nt appreciate his calm demeanor but he was a good manager at the end of the day and has one of the best records, given the amount of time he was in charge for, that's no small feat.
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He got where he got with England because it was our so called golden generation, that he had playing for him.
He could not see that Gerrard and Lampard in CM could not, and did not work.
Sven was the idiot that decided to put Scholes on the left wing, as well, and ruined his international career.
Good manager my a-rse.
I remember that classic match against Portugal under Sven. We matched them for a good while and we went out on penalties I think?
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We shouldn't have been matching them, that was the problem. That team should have been beating Portugal.
Stretty - Captain Ozil (U3123)
I agree with Stretty. Mentioned it in my OP that Sven did a fantastic job. I do wish he was able to understand at that point that the combination of Lampard and Gerrard wasn't going to work, and that Paul Scholes should be the main man in the middle, but despite all that he still got us to a great stage. I remember beating Germany, and he was considered a God in the media.
He tried and it didn't work out. It was far more stupid for the likes of McClaren for still trying to do after it clearly wasn't working!
darkphoenix
That was the problem. He got us to good stages, but din't have that bit extra to get us over the line.
Sven had good players at his disposal. He did not have kak cart horses Capello had with Barry, Milner etc.
The back four was one of the best in world football with Nevster, Rio JT and Cashley
You had Beckham, Gerrard (who was still good then) Lampard and Joe Cole in the middle with Rooney up top.
That team, should have done so much better.
I don't deny that we didn't have one of the best defence in the world at that point. However, it's not like we had conceded in that game at all. It did end up 0-0. However, we were looking the better team up until the point Wayne Rooney thought it was pretty normal to stamp on Carvalho.
What could have been if we still had Rooney on the pitch? Had the extra man? We lost on penalties, and that in itself is a gamble. We could have gone through that and played France in the semi-final.
What could have been if we still had Rooney on the pitch? Had the extra man? We lost on penalties, and that in itself is a gamble. We could have gone through that and played France in the semi-final.
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We shouldn't have been so negative from the start by playing Rooney up top on his own.
Hargreaves was in the best form he would ever show, so there really was no need to play 5 across the middle.
It was because Sven was afraid to drop one of Gerrard and Lampard.
His tactics were 4-5-1 and yes it was negative, but if you look at all his group stage games, he played 4-4-2 at all times. Even with a pairing of Owen and Crouch. However, against Portugal, Owen was injured and we couldn't have started Crouch. What was he going to offer? Height?! His headering recording for a man his size is poor at best. This Portugal team had the flair ability, and knew how to keep possession of a ball.
You're also forgetting just because we were 4-5-1 that doesn't mean that in a 4-4-2, Wayne Rooney wouldn't have behaved the exact same way.
On top of that a team like Italy who played probably the most negative football went on to win the World Cup in 2006. Also in 2004 a defensive team in Greece went on to win the Euros. Attacking football doesn't exactly equal success on the International stage.
I almost cry when I think how they wasted Scholes. Best player of a generation and forced out wide to accommodate pin up boys. I swear the FA had a hand in it, to boost revenue.
a CM of Hargo and Scholes would have been immense.
The back four was one of the best in world football with Nevster, Rio JT and Cashley
You had Beckham, Gerrard (who was still good then) Lampard and Joe Cole in the middle with Rooney up top.
That team, should have done so much better.
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Uh, not really, it wasnt that good of a team. You overrate it a hell of a lot it would seem.
As for the portugal team, one filled with a young ronaldo, rui costa, figo, etc. They were much better side than us.
Golden generation my aarse.
Bunch of cloggers who achieved realistic goals. They did no better than they should of.
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posted on 9/2/12
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 1 minute ago
Time for Gerrard Lampard Barry and Rio to step aside for the players that will take us into Brazil
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Stopped reading there I am afraid. Lampard's the future.
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Nah, garlic bread is the future
posted on 9/2/12
BusbyBabes
There probably are cliques in the squad. I wouldnt say they're all because of Terry. Who knows eh?
I want him to retire from England to be honest. He's stil got 2/3 years left in him at club level
posted on 9/2/12
UnitedRedMacca
If you cant see how Frank Lampard is the future for our midfield then I cannot carry this discusson on any further with you.
posted on 9/2/12
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 58 seconds ago
UnitedRedMacca
If you cant see how Frank Lampard is the future for our midfield then I cannot carry this discusson on any further with you.
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Works for me
posted on 9/2/12
You settled your differences with TOOR macca? Has he seen the light yet?
posted on 9/2/12
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579) posted 2 minutes ago
You settled your differences with TOOR macca? Has he seen the light yet?
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lol It wasn't a dispute, he just lacks a basic understanding of racial issues. Sad he feels the way he does tbh
Mind you, he's probably bright enough to know Lampard isn't the futureof England
posted on 9/2/12
Captain_Positivity (U2394)
Optimistic*
_____________________________
Words cannot describe the stupidity of TOOR.
posted on 9/2/12
Words cannot describe the stupidity of TOOR.
...............
I beg to difer.
" A complete and utter buffoon"
I feel describes TOOR as well as anything.
posted on 9/2/12
Vidicschin - I think buffoon's all over the world will be offended.
posted on 9/2/12
At a school – keeping the teacher in that position could endanger the children – Mel Gibson still making films whilst being accused of wife beating and anti semetic remarks effects no one apart from the box office takings
---------------------------------------------
At club level, this is fine... He is affecting his own value, but the club tends to shield the player and the dressing room know it is in their interest to just get over it.
At international level though, where people don't know each other as well, maybe the office/business scenario is more apt. Suspend of the accused, for the greater good of the team.
posted on 9/2/12
VC
posted on 9/2/12
We were better under sven, than at any point since he left.
He got us to the quarters of major tournaments, and also made the players give a good go of it. Portugal knocked us out through penalties, and brazil, had it not been for one of the most flukiest/outrageous goals ever scored, would have probably had to beat us the same way. We never once got embarassed on the big stage and always made it to tournaments under him.
Look back at his squads. Yeah the likes of rio, gerrard etc were there. But England teams havent really matched up to top squads in int football for a very long time. So I dont know what people expected, people are thinking, redknapp will make some huge difference, he wont. Were simply not good enough.
People did'nt appreciate his calm demeanor but he was a good manager at the end of the day and has one of the best records, given the amount of time he was in charge for, that's no small feat.
posted on 9/2/12
Agree with Stretty
We actually played decent football under Sven.
Under Capello and Mclaren, the football has been dire to say the least. Cant watch an England match anymore
I remember that classic match against Portugal under Sven. We matched them for a good while and we went out on penalties I think?
posted on 9/2/12
People did'nt appreciate his calm demeanor but he was a good manager at the end of the day and has one of the best records, given the amount of time he was in charge for, that's no small feat.
.....................
He got where he got with England because it was our so called golden generation, that he had playing for him.
He could not see that Gerrard and Lampard in CM could not, and did not work.
Sven was the idiot that decided to put Scholes on the left wing, as well, and ruined his international career.
Good manager my a-rse.
posted on 9/2/12
I remember that classic match against Portugal under Sven. We matched them for a good while and we went out on penalties I think?
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We shouldn't have been matching them, that was the problem. That team should have been beating Portugal.
posted on 9/2/12
Stretty - Captain Ozil (U3123)
I agree with Stretty. Mentioned it in my OP that Sven did a fantastic job. I do wish he was able to understand at that point that the combination of Lampard and Gerrard wasn't going to work, and that Paul Scholes should be the main man in the middle, but despite all that he still got us to a great stage. I remember beating Germany, and he was considered a God in the media.
He tried and it didn't work out. It was far more stupid for the likes of McClaren for still trying to do after it clearly wasn't working!
posted on 9/2/12
darkphoenix
That was the problem. He got us to good stages, but din't have that bit extra to get us over the line.
Sven had good players at his disposal. He did not have kak cart horses Capello had with Barry, Milner etc.
The back four was one of the best in world football with Nevster, Rio JT and Cashley
You had Beckham, Gerrard (who was still good then) Lampard and Joe Cole in the middle with Rooney up top.
That team, should have done so much better.
posted on 9/2/12
I don't deny that we didn't have one of the best defence in the world at that point. However, it's not like we had conceded in that game at all. It did end up 0-0. However, we were looking the better team up until the point Wayne Rooney thought it was pretty normal to stamp on Carvalho.
What could have been if we still had Rooney on the pitch? Had the extra man? We lost on penalties, and that in itself is a gamble. We could have gone through that and played France in the semi-final.
posted on 9/2/12
What could have been if we still had Rooney on the pitch? Had the extra man? We lost on penalties, and that in itself is a gamble. We could have gone through that and played France in the semi-final.
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We shouldn't have been so negative from the start by playing Rooney up top on his own.
Hargreaves was in the best form he would ever show, so there really was no need to play 5 across the middle.
It was because Sven was afraid to drop one of Gerrard and Lampard.
posted on 9/2/12
His tactics were 4-5-1 and yes it was negative, but if you look at all his group stage games, he played 4-4-2 at all times. Even with a pairing of Owen and Crouch. However, against Portugal, Owen was injured and we couldn't have started Crouch. What was he going to offer? Height?! His headering recording for a man his size is poor at best. This Portugal team had the flair ability, and knew how to keep possession of a ball.
You're also forgetting just because we were 4-5-1 that doesn't mean that in a 4-4-2, Wayne Rooney wouldn't have behaved the exact same way.
On top of that a team like Italy who played probably the most negative football went on to win the World Cup in 2006. Also in 2004 a defensive team in Greece went on to win the Euros. Attacking football doesn't exactly equal success on the International stage.
posted on 9/2/12
I almost cry when I think how they wasted Scholes. Best player of a generation and forced out wide to accommodate pin up boys. I swear the FA had a hand in it, to boost revenue.
a CM of Hargo and Scholes would have been immense.
posted on 10/2/12
The back four was one of the best in world football with Nevster, Rio JT and Cashley
You had Beckham, Gerrard (who was still good then) Lampard and Joe Cole in the middle with Rooney up top.
That team, should have done so much better.
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Uh, not really, it wasnt that good of a team. You overrate it a hell of a lot it would seem.
As for the portugal team, one filled with a young ronaldo, rui costa, figo, etc. They were much better side than us.
Golden generation my aarse.
Bunch of cloggers who achieved realistic goals. They did no better than they should of.
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