I just can't bloomin wait for September 1st 2012.
Thats when us Chelsea fans will really know where our club is heading with regards to transfers, management etc. This season just needs to end.
Bottom line is if we don't get 4th don't automatically think that we will suddenly recover and make it back in a season or two. Just as you can see with Liverpool.
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You need quality and luck.
We've lacked both this year
Metro- (U6770)
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One positive you have though is you can say Liverpool play like a team. You just obviously made a number of bad signings on overrated players which means you lack quality. But you definetly have team spirit and thats a major factor to pushing on in this league.
Even if we can't finish 4th it's not the end of the world. You only need to look at Spur to see why it is not impossible to get back to the top 4.
We have huge financial backing. They haven't.
Newsflash!!!!
Spurs have a collective team with a very well balanced squad. They've been building on this for the last 3 years, ever since Harry arrived in fact.
TBK what do you mean City aswell??? Whats that in regards to?
We only need to buy the best players from 2nd tier teams like Newcastle (Demba Ba?) to get back to the top 4. If Suarez comes to Liverpool I don't think we should worry too much about players don't want to join us.
Spurs have a collective team with a very well balanced squad. They've been building on this for the last 3 years, ever since Harry arrived in fact.
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I agree. That's why we may need to accept being out of the top 4 for one or tow years in order to build a new team.
Teams have to earn the right to play in the CL, all the chelsea players in the changing room need to look at themselves and stop blaming other things.
At this stage they have no one but themselves to blame next year if come tue/wed they are sitting on the sofa listening to the CL music on the tele
Orion
Its not easy as just building a team and when we think we're ready, we can slot back into the CL nicely. If for some reason we dont make it, the year we planned to, will some of our players get fed up? I dont accept this transition nonsense that we have to drop out of the top 4 in order to build. Man Utd & Arsenal have been building new teams for donkeys years but have stil maintained their top 4 place and with the money thats gone into our club in the last 9 years or so, its not acceptable to just drop out of the top 4. Not arrogant enough to say we dont deserve to be out of the top 4 but at the same time, its not right with the levels of spending that has gone into our team.
I won't be too upset really. Watching Barca in the CL doesn't give me as much excitement as watching us in the Carling cup. I don't know why .
We're out of the carling cup
We will get a squad overhaul Gullit whether we finish top 4 or not, don't worry. And City got Kompany, deJong and Robinho when the previous season they finished 9th, Tevez, Toure, Adebayor, Lescott when the precious season they finished 10th and Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner and Dzeko when the season before they finished 5th.
Man Utd & Arsenal have been building new teams for donkeys years but have stil maintained their top 4 place
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The top 6 places were far less competitive back 3-4 years ago.
Mr Chelsea
I understand your points. I just don't see any way out of this mess we are in. There would be enormous difficulties if we are out of the top 4 but what I'm saying is it is not impossible to get back in. I don't know how many years it will take.
Do you think sacking AVB will help us achieve a 4th place? I don't think so.
And City got Kompany, deJong and Robinho when the previous season they finished 9th, Tevez, Toure, Adebayor, Lescott when the precious season they finished 10th and Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner and Dzeko when the season before they finished 5th.
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It's a very good point TBK . But we need to take in to account the FFP rule that will be implemented soon.
The top 6 places were far less competitive back 3-4 years ago.
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Ok. So why should we not be worried about getting back into the top 4 then?
Don't believe everything you read, few months ago City were apparently going to bid 120million for ronaldo......
And we get linked with every player under the sun every transfer window and hardly any come true
Lets not forget the importance of management.
Benitez, although poor in final 12 months - was great at organisation.
If anything, it was his attention to detail and organisation that got L'pool to Istanbul
Eden Hazard has no brain, let alone footballing brain, if he thinks Spur has enough money to buy him . The fact is if another club offers him a higher wage he won't go to Spur.
The decision on whether to keep or sack AVB should not be based on finishing in the top 4 this season and if that ends up being the reason we sack him then it will another huge mistake by the CFC board and Roman.
The responsibility for not finishing top 4 this season lies with the board because of their mismanagement of team management affairs from the moment jose was sacked.
That is not to say that AVB should not be sacked, but I want to make it clear he should only be sacked if the club feels he does not have what it takes to rebuild the squad, change our style of play, be tactically astute and motivate players. If the club still feels he does have what it takes, then even if we finish 8th he should stay.
If Martin O Neill can motivate players half way through a season like he has done, why cant AVB do a little bit of the same seeing as he's had this squad since the summer. Not expecting exactly the same results but come on. What we see out on the pitch has been pathetic so far. Just how many players has he ostracised?
TBK
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Cummon my friend! How City got into the top 4 and Chelsea chances of getting back in if we drop out are in NO WAY REMOTELY RELATED!!!!
There is nothing as Chelsea fans we can use to suggest we will get back into the top 4 using City as an example.
City got all them players because:
1: They've got loads of money
2: Loads of money = Exciting new project
3: Exciting new project = influx of star players
4: Influx of star players = progression in the table season after season.
We can't follow this same rule because of the FFP.
And as Mr Chelsea said....
Look at the money we've invested in this club! Call me arrogant but we should not be in the position we are in. In 2005 could you ever see Chelsea getting into this state? It takes really bad management at all levels of the club to go from the days of Jose to days like this.
As Arsenal and Man U have shown, transition does not mean you have to drop out of the top 4. Transition means you should accept not winning or challenging for the league for a few seasons yes. But to drop out the top 4 is an EPIC FAILURE!
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posted on 14/2/12
I just can't bloomin wait for September 1st 2012.
Thats when us Chelsea fans will really know where our club is heading with regards to transfers, management etc. This season just needs to end.
posted on 14/2/12
Bottom line is if we don't get 4th don't automatically think that we will suddenly recover and make it back in a season or two. Just as you can see with Liverpool.
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You need quality and luck.
We've lacked both this year
posted on 14/2/12
Metro- (U6770)
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One positive you have though is you can say Liverpool play like a team. You just obviously made a number of bad signings on overrated players which means you lack quality. But you definetly have team spirit and thats a major factor to pushing on in this league.
posted on 14/2/12
Even if we can't finish 4th it's not the end of the world. You only need to look at Spur to see why it is not impossible to get back to the top 4.
posted on 14/2/12
What about Liverpool?
posted on 14/2/12
And City as well.
posted on 14/2/12
We have huge financial backing. They haven't.
posted on 14/2/12
Newsflash!!!!
Spurs have a collective team with a very well balanced squad. They've been building on this for the last 3 years, ever since Harry arrived in fact.
TBK what do you mean City aswell??? Whats that in regards to?
posted on 14/2/12
We only need to buy the best players from 2nd tier teams like Newcastle (Demba Ba?) to get back to the top 4. If Suarez comes to Liverpool I don't think we should worry too much about players don't want to join us.
posted on 14/2/12
Spurs have a collective team with a very well balanced squad. They've been building on this for the last 3 years, ever since Harry arrived in fact.
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I agree. That's why we may need to accept being out of the top 4 for one or tow years in order to build a new team.
posted on 14/2/12
Teams have to earn the right to play in the CL, all the chelsea players in the changing room need to look at themselves and stop blaming other things.
At this stage they have no one but themselves to blame next year if come tue/wed they are sitting on the sofa listening to the CL music on the tele
posted on 14/2/12
Orion
Its not easy as just building a team and when we think we're ready, we can slot back into the CL nicely. If for some reason we dont make it, the year we planned to, will some of our players get fed up? I dont accept this transition nonsense that we have to drop out of the top 4 in order to build. Man Utd & Arsenal have been building new teams for donkeys years but have stil maintained their top 4 place and with the money thats gone into our club in the last 9 years or so, its not acceptable to just drop out of the top 4. Not arrogant enough to say we dont deserve to be out of the top 4 but at the same time, its not right with the levels of spending that has gone into our team.
posted on 14/2/12
I won't be too upset really. Watching Barca in the CL doesn't give me as much excitement as watching us in the Carling cup. I don't know why .
posted on 14/2/12
We're out of the carling cup
posted on 14/2/12
We will get a squad overhaul Gullit whether we finish top 4 or not, don't worry. And City got Kompany, deJong and Robinho when the previous season they finished 9th, Tevez, Toure, Adebayor, Lescott when the precious season they finished 10th and Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner and Dzeko when the season before they finished 5th.
posted on 14/2/12
Man Utd & Arsenal have been building new teams for donkeys years but have stil maintained their top 4 place
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The top 6 places were far less competitive back 3-4 years ago.
posted on 14/2/12
Mr Chelsea
I understand your points. I just don't see any way out of this mess we are in. There would be enormous difficulties if we are out of the top 4 but what I'm saying is it is not impossible to get back in. I don't know how many years it will take.
Do you think sacking AVB will help us achieve a 4th place? I don't think so.
posted on 14/2/12
And City got Kompany, deJong and Robinho when the previous season they finished 9th, Tevez, Toure, Adebayor, Lescott when the precious season they finished 10th and Toure, Silva, Balotelli, Milner and Dzeko when the season before they finished 5th.
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It's a very good point TBK . But we need to take in to account the FFP rule that will be implemented soon.
posted on 14/2/12
The top 6 places were far less competitive back 3-4 years ago.
____________
Ok. So why should we not be worried about getting back into the top 4 then?
posted on 14/2/12
Don't believe everything you read, few months ago City were apparently going to bid 120million for ronaldo......
And we get linked with every player under the sun every transfer window and hardly any come true
posted on 14/2/12
Lets not forget the importance of management.
Benitez, although poor in final 12 months - was great at organisation.
If anything, it was his attention to detail and organisation that got L'pool to Istanbul
posted on 14/2/12
Eden Hazard has no brain, let alone footballing brain, if he thinks Spur has enough money to buy him . The fact is if another club offers him a higher wage he won't go to Spur.
posted on 14/2/12
The decision on whether to keep or sack AVB should not be based on finishing in the top 4 this season and if that ends up being the reason we sack him then it will another huge mistake by the CFC board and Roman.
The responsibility for not finishing top 4 this season lies with the board because of their mismanagement of team management affairs from the moment jose was sacked.
That is not to say that AVB should not be sacked, but I want to make it clear he should only be sacked if the club feels he does not have what it takes to rebuild the squad, change our style of play, be tactically astute and motivate players. If the club still feels he does have what it takes, then even if we finish 8th he should stay.
posted on 14/2/12
If Martin O Neill can motivate players half way through a season like he has done, why cant AVB do a little bit of the same seeing as he's had this squad since the summer. Not expecting exactly the same results but come on. What we see out on the pitch has been pathetic so far. Just how many players has he ostracised?
posted on 14/2/12
TBK
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Cummon my friend! How City got into the top 4 and Chelsea chances of getting back in if we drop out are in NO WAY REMOTELY RELATED!!!!
There is nothing as Chelsea fans we can use to suggest we will get back into the top 4 using City as an example.
City got all them players because:
1: They've got loads of money
2: Loads of money = Exciting new project
3: Exciting new project = influx of star players
4: Influx of star players = progression in the table season after season.
We can't follow this same rule because of the FFP.
And as Mr Chelsea said....
Look at the money we've invested in this club! Call me arrogant but we should not be in the position we are in. In 2005 could you ever see Chelsea getting into this state? It takes really bad management at all levels of the club to go from the days of Jose to days like this.
As Arsenal and Man U have shown, transition does not mean you have to drop out of the top 4. Transition means you should accept not winning or challenging for the league for a few seasons yes. But to drop out the top 4 is an EPIC FAILURE!
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