Who is booing him.
Bubbles started a thread earlier, he went to the game and has said no Chelsea fans booed him, only the brum fans.
White Wall (U1078)
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Ok my mistake, from reading the threads I suspected that Chelsea fans were booing him.
I think he deserves a few gruntled boo's anyway to be fair (for one game only), just so he knows that we are aware and not happy about his attitude.
Instead of booing him just chant "You're not bigger than the club" at him.
Gullits.
Problem is rival fans watch on tele hear the boo's and cant wait to say it was our fans.
Until we know the full story (which we never will of course) people jump to conclusions and assume its all Franks fault.
AVB just took the job 2-3 too early
White Wall
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Yea its true AVB did take the job a bit too early but if only he got rid of more players when he came, maybe he would be able to have more control of his OWN squad.
He attempted to start transition with a squad full of Jose players.
His job would had been safer if he sold more of Jose's players and signed more of his players.
I booed him from my lounge, does that count?
sometrimes you just cant win.
Ancelotti got rid of Ballack, Deco, Cole etc.. and then was critisied for leaving the team with no experience when we hit our bad run last year.
not sure if I want Jose back but he always buys young hungry players and we havnt done that in numbers since he left.
I will not boo Lampard or anyother player EVER at a game. I go there to support the team and when we are at our worst is when we need to give our best as fans. That was always the case and necessarily so, when I first strarted going, it should be the case now.
I will always consider fans that boo as lesser fans and let any around me know on the vary rare occasion it happens.
People moan to each other, I moan but during a game you get behind the team, nothing less. To me Booing is unacceptable. I pay my for my ticket is no excuse to me, so do I.
What Has Roman Ever Done For Us I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!!!!!! SEE YOUR RESPONSE FROM MY QUOTE BELOW!!!!!
comment by What Has Roman Ever Done For Us? (U1038)
posted on 31/10/11
"And the lastly what I consider to be the things that encompasses all of the above.....PLAYER POWER!!!! As much as JT, Lamps have done us good, I feel they have also had some significane in this clubs slump with their egos and influence on managers to start them everygame no matter what form and not signing players that could perhaps easily displace them from the team."
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Stopped reading after this opinion.
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comment by White Wall (U1078)
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Carlo let all those 3 players go and only signed Ramires and Zhirkov? He should have made more additions also when he released those 3.
But to be fair to Carlo, he lost Ray Wilkins which 100% had a negative effect on the team.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I partially disagree. Players deserved to be Boo'd depending on circumstances. You can't just bow down to them every time.
If your bringing the club down then you deserve some criticism and the only way for us fans to communicate our feelings is by cheering or booing.
You can't call someone a lesser fan for doing so. It depends on the circumstances. If a player on 100k a week mopes around all match and doesn't put in effort, he deserves to be boo'd!!
If I feel someone is bringing the club down I am more than happy to react, I took part in pitch invasions to protest at Mears when he sold us down the river.
Petulant players cannot and will not bring down a club, bad management can.
Have petulant players not contributed to bringing the club down this season though JFDI???
I include Drogba and Malouda in that with thier contsant sulking and moaning on the field.
Also, think about this AVB ostracised Anelka and Alex because he was not happy with them. A managers job is to manage the players, if he can't and the majority of the squad are not happy then to me it is simple, the manager is a problem not one or two players.
Roman it seems had to sack the team or the manager and took the lesser of two evils. AVB in my book was always a gamble, I was willing to support it while it lasted, I have no choice, but now it is over, lets move on. Forget about what happened, whose fault it is and move on.
Bad management is not the sole factor of bringing this club down out of the Champions League.
Players on massive contracts, who forget about thier bad performances once they get home to thier families have.
JFDI
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Mate I agree with your points on bad management, I just have a stronger view that players should be held responsibile too.
No, did you not read what I said? I don not believe petulant players can bring down a club.
If you have one or two petulant players they are an issue but can be managed, when you have the majority of the team being petulant then the problems are not the individuals as such but deeper, you are only seeing the symptoms not the cause.
Players are responsible for performance for sure and you would expect them to give there all every time but when you have a team full of disheartened players tou have to look for an effective leader to motivate them.
Terry, Lampard, Drogba, these sort of players can be viewed as NCO's or Supervisors if you like, if the privates or staff are upset, generally they can motivate them. The problem occurs when this starts to fail, without all working together and involving the OC or manager then you have no hope unless you have an excepionally strong leader.
We do not know how bad or not the situation was and as such singleing out anyone for balme in this is just crass.
Senior management have judged and made the call we should support it and get behind the whole team for the rest of the season.
Players are responsible for performance for sure and you would expect them to give there all every time but when you have a team full of disheartened players tou have to look for an effective leader to motivate them.
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Are the players that mentally weak?????
They managed to do fine when Grant was in charge.
These are big men 30 year old pro's. They don't need to be spoon fed.
You can still fight for the fans and the players have done nowt.
These footballers have such an easy job, I can't believe how much attention and motivation they need. As if chants from the fans and seeing their names on stadium banners aint enough.
I think there record speaks for itself. They have proved time and time again they do not need to be spoon fed.
If you are not happy comparing the situation with the people side of things then think about it more scientifically.
When identifying a problem you look at constants and changes, if you took that approach then the problem would appear to be AVB rather than the players.
If Grant (sacked) Scolari (sacked) Ancelotti (sacked) weren't good enough yet the players went on to win things or qualify with ease for CL places or even reached the CL final then why wouldn't they under AVB?
We would all love to be footballers and earn their wages but if it was easy we would all be doing it and we wouldn't command their wages.
If Grant (sacked) Scolari (sacked) Ancelotti (sacked) weren't good enough yet the players went on to win things or qualify with ease for CL places or even reached the CL final then why wouldn't they under AVB?
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Because they are deluded, and still think they are still as good as they were back then and fail to adopt the managers new plans of using them more sparingly.
Nonsense, Anelka and Alex sure, they put in transfer requests and were ostracised.
The majorty of the squad were unhappy, that is more than are regualrly playing, this has little to do with the managers plans so much as implementation, he got it wrong.
Also Spurs and City have come into the frame with more hard working determined players.
JFDI watch how many of our players run with thier head down without the ball (not many). Why I say that is because players who run with thier head down without the ball are the ones busting a gut to get foward or track back. Only Essien does this and Ramires but none of our strikers for example.
You see guys like Rooney and Welbeck do this regualry.
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posted on 7/3/12
Who is booing him.
Bubbles started a thread earlier, he went to the game and has said no Chelsea fans booed him, only the brum fans.
posted on 7/3/12
White Wall (U1078)
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Ok my mistake, from reading the threads I suspected that Chelsea fans were booing him.
I think he deserves a few gruntled boo's anyway to be fair (for one game only), just so he knows that we are aware and not happy about his attitude.
posted on 7/3/12
Instead of booing him just chant "You're not bigger than the club" at him.
posted on 7/3/12
Gullits.
Problem is rival fans watch on tele hear the boo's and cant wait to say it was our fans.
Until we know the full story (which we never will of course) people jump to conclusions and assume its all Franks fault.
AVB just took the job 2-3 too early
posted on 7/3/12
White Wall
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Yea its true AVB did take the job a bit too early but if only he got rid of more players when he came, maybe he would be able to have more control of his OWN squad.
He attempted to start transition with a squad full of Jose players.
His job would had been safer if he sold more of Jose's players and signed more of his players.
posted on 7/3/12
I booed him from my lounge, does that count?
posted on 7/3/12
sometrimes you just cant win.
Ancelotti got rid of Ballack, Deco, Cole etc.. and then was critisied for leaving the team with no experience when we hit our bad run last year.
not sure if I want Jose back but he always buys young hungry players and we havnt done that in numbers since he left.
posted on 7/3/12
I will not boo Lampard or anyother player EVER at a game. I go there to support the team and when we are at our worst is when we need to give our best as fans. That was always the case and necessarily so, when I first strarted going, it should be the case now.
I will always consider fans that boo as lesser fans and let any around me know on the vary rare occasion it happens.
People moan to each other, I moan but during a game you get behind the team, nothing less. To me Booing is unacceptable. I pay my for my ticket is no excuse to me, so do I.
posted on 7/3/12
What Has Roman Ever Done For Us I HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!!!!!! SEE YOUR RESPONSE FROM MY QUOTE BELOW!!!!!
comment by What Has Roman Ever Done For Us? (U1038)
posted on 31/10/11
"And the lastly what I consider to be the things that encompasses all of the above.....PLAYER POWER!!!! As much as JT, Lamps have done us good, I feel they have also had some significane in this clubs slump with their egos and influence on managers to start them everygame no matter what form and not signing players that could perhaps easily displace them from the team."
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Stopped reading after this opinion.
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posted on 7/3/12
comment by White Wall (U1078)
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Carlo let all those 3 players go and only signed Ramires and Zhirkov? He should have made more additions also when he released those 3.
But to be fair to Carlo, he lost Ray Wilkins which 100% had a negative effect on the team.
posted on 7/3/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
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I partially disagree. Players deserved to be Boo'd depending on circumstances. You can't just bow down to them every time.
If your bringing the club down then you deserve some criticism and the only way for us fans to communicate our feelings is by cheering or booing.
You can't call someone a lesser fan for doing so. It depends on the circumstances. If a player on 100k a week mopes around all match and doesn't put in effort, he deserves to be boo'd!!
posted on 7/3/12
If I feel someone is bringing the club down I am more than happy to react, I took part in pitch invasions to protest at Mears when he sold us down the river.
Petulant players cannot and will not bring down a club, bad management can.
posted on 7/3/12
Have petulant players not contributed to bringing the club down this season though JFDI???
I include Drogba and Malouda in that with thier contsant sulking and moaning on the field.
posted on 7/3/12
Also, think about this AVB ostracised Anelka and Alex because he was not happy with them. A managers job is to manage the players, if he can't and the majority of the squad are not happy then to me it is simple, the manager is a problem not one or two players.
Roman it seems had to sack the team or the manager and took the lesser of two evils. AVB in my book was always a gamble, I was willing to support it while it lasted, I have no choice, but now it is over, lets move on. Forget about what happened, whose fault it is and move on.
posted on 7/3/12
Bad management is not the sole factor of bringing this club down out of the Champions League.
Players on massive contracts, who forget about thier bad performances once they get home to thier families have.
posted on 7/3/12
JFDI
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Mate I agree with your points on bad management, I just have a stronger view that players should be held responsibile too.
posted on 7/3/12
No, did you not read what I said? I don not believe petulant players can bring down a club.
If you have one or two petulant players they are an issue but can be managed, when you have the majority of the team being petulant then the problems are not the individuals as such but deeper, you are only seeing the symptoms not the cause.
posted on 7/3/12
Players are responsible for performance for sure and you would expect them to give there all every time but when you have a team full of disheartened players tou have to look for an effective leader to motivate them.
Terry, Lampard, Drogba, these sort of players can be viewed as NCO's or Supervisors if you like, if the privates or staff are upset, generally they can motivate them. The problem occurs when this starts to fail, without all working together and involving the OC or manager then you have no hope unless you have an excepionally strong leader.
We do not know how bad or not the situation was and as such singleing out anyone for balme in this is just crass.
Senior management have judged and made the call we should support it and get behind the whole team for the rest of the season.
posted on 7/3/12
Players are responsible for performance for sure and you would expect them to give there all every time but when you have a team full of disheartened players tou have to look for an effective leader to motivate them.
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Are the players that mentally weak?????
They managed to do fine when Grant was in charge.
These are big men 30 year old pro's. They don't need to be spoon fed.
You can still fight for the fans and the players have done nowt.
posted on 7/3/12
These footballers have such an easy job, I can't believe how much attention and motivation they need. As if chants from the fans and seeing their names on stadium banners aint enough.
posted on 7/3/12
I think there record speaks for itself. They have proved time and time again they do not need to be spoon fed.
If you are not happy comparing the situation with the people side of things then think about it more scientifically.
When identifying a problem you look at constants and changes, if you took that approach then the problem would appear to be AVB rather than the players.
If Grant (sacked) Scolari (sacked) Ancelotti (sacked) weren't good enough yet the players went on to win things or qualify with ease for CL places or even reached the CL final then why wouldn't they under AVB?
posted on 7/3/12
We would all love to be footballers and earn their wages but if it was easy we would all be doing it and we wouldn't command their wages.
posted on 7/3/12
If Grant (sacked) Scolari (sacked) Ancelotti (sacked) weren't good enough yet the players went on to win things or qualify with ease for CL places or even reached the CL final then why wouldn't they under AVB?
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Because they are deluded, and still think they are still as good as they were back then and fail to adopt the managers new plans of using them more sparingly.
posted on 7/3/12
Nonsense, Anelka and Alex sure, they put in transfer requests and were ostracised.
The majorty of the squad were unhappy, that is more than are regualrly playing, this has little to do with the managers plans so much as implementation, he got it wrong.
posted on 7/3/12
Also Spurs and City have come into the frame with more hard working determined players.
JFDI watch how many of our players run with thier head down without the ball (not many). Why I say that is because players who run with thier head down without the ball are the ones busting a gut to get foward or track back. Only Essien does this and Ramires but none of our strikers for example.
You see guys like Rooney and Welbeck do this regualry.
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