just promising article

Well said sir, and remember , they do say that footballers are role models and fans will copy their behaviour

It's quite sad how some people are unhappy that we are signing gervinho, he is a proven player in a top division who won the double last year. He also contributed 28 goals in all competitions which is fantastic for a winger.

Sheesh this website is to talk about football related matters not whinge 24/7 about some newspaper stories no
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you do not get to dictate who can say what here about football related stuff, so quit parenting....
if some Arsenal fans here are upset, and want to chat with each other, who are you to say they can't?

ths is open discussion..if you do not like the articles you are reading about Arsneal..then do not read them. No one is forcing you....

there are legitimate concerns right now about team composition and transfers.....go be Napolean somewhere else

you do not get to dictate who can say what here about football related stuff, so quit parenting....
if some Arsenal fans here are upset, and want to chat with each other, who are you to say they can't?
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there are legitimate concerns right now about team composition and transfers.....go be Napolean somewhere else
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theres a difference between voicing concerns and just being plain pathetic

theres a difference between voicing concerns and just being plain pathetic
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case in point.

you couldn't disprove his logic, so you came out with derogatory rhetoric instead. that, by anyone's definition, is pathetic.

so, to quote your title...

... SHUT UP.

theres a difference between voicing concerns and just being plain pathetic
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i've just said on another article that at times it's embarassing to be an arsenal fan. that is nothing to do with a lack of trophies, nothing to do with the club, and everything to do with some of the idiots it associates you with.

With some people it doesn't matter how many quotes come from the club, they'd rather believe what they read in the rags, no matter how many times they are proved false.

excuse me but how exactly does my comment fit with his logic? If i say have a cautious outlook on life by your "logic" that would mean i should also be terrified of going outside? as i say there is a difference between voicing your concerns and repeatedly bleating about the same blown out of proportion issue over and over again getting nowhere

theres a difference between voicing concerns and just being plain pathetic
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And it is you who gets to decide what the word "pathetic" means?? Are you a dictionary expert?? Ever heard of free speech?
If you feel there is to much whining here, then do NOT engage. You are not required to particiapte...go read those posts that suit you.

There are legitimate concerns and worries here from die hard fellow gunners; they are gutted from last spring, and worried about the potential shakeup in team, and in getting who we need to 1) replace who we lose, and 2) move forward by replacing those that did not perform for us.
I may disagree with some of their opinions (whinings, as pathetic as you think they are, and I have whined and moaned also), but I will always respect their right to their opinion out of their love for the club and their knowledge about football, especially Arsenal, as long as theydo not make it a personal attack. Then, I jump in and fire back personally.. I learn alot from my fellow gunners, even when I get angry at them and we fuss here. There are some gunner family here that really know the game and know Arsenal.

Perhpas you should give that some thought, and lighten up a bit..these are trying times for all of us, and naturally any family is going to whine a bit, moan, complain, and be vocal when there is pressure. Is natural....cheer up...we are all football family here...

using free speech as an excuse? come on, free speech is a very important right but people dont half abuse it at times

There are legitimate concerns and worries here from die hard fellow gunners; they are gutted from last spring, and worried about the potential shakeup in team, and in getting who we need to 1) replace who we lose, and 2) move forward by replacing those that did not perform for us.
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spot on mate

using free speech as an excuse? come on, free speech is a very important right but people dont half abuse it at times
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by posting pointless, self-contradictory articles, yes...

tell me something, was there even a HINT of irony in your mind when you posted this?

'i don't like those whingers. i know, i'll whinge about it.'

nevermind the fact that those 'whingers' actually use this forum to air their opinions about the CLUB... as per its actual purpose. you, on the other hand, have forgone that and instead whinge about the other posters. how irrelevant. how baffling...

are you deliberately trying to miss the point? or does your pettiness really get in the way of you seeing it? you call this article ironic if you want, technically i suppose it is, that is if you think it is "whinging", personally i think it is constructive even if it is a little bit emotional. Either way dont you think whinging, in the case where you are "whinging" against whingers is a bit of an exception?

are you deliberately trying to miss the point? or does your pettiness really get in the way of you seeing it? you call this article ironic if you want, technically i suppose it is, that is if you think it is "whinging", personally i think it is constructive even if it is a little bit emotional. Either way dont you think whinging, in the case where you are "whinging" against whingers is a bit of an exception?
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this part of that comment interests me:

'personally i think it is constructive even if it is a little bit emotional.'

that same argument was made against you, when you referred to unsettled arsenal fans as 'whingers.' yet you labelled it 'pathetic.'

intriguing, no? let's put it this way - you can choose to have your cake, or you can eat it. but at the rate you're going, there's a chance you may end up choking on it. so slow down, take a deep breath, have some water and think carefully about how ridiculous your stance is.

I have a feeling this one's going to run and run.

using free speech as an excuse? come on, free speech is a very important right but people dont half abuse it at times
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oh, contraire...people abuse free speech all the time..but our form of governance recognizes that the pain of allowing some free speech to be annoying and contradictory to some..is far less than the pain of restricting free speech...

it seems that you feel your interpretations of words such as "abuse" and "pathetic" are the only intrepretations allowed??? these words have wide and diverse meanngs to different people.."abuse" to one is "normal" to another. "Pathetic" to one is "normal" to another. You cannot apply your narrower definitions to everyone else and expect them to all march in order.

There are some of us here that feel, so far, Arsenal's transfer progress is pathetic; others will say "there is time yet". It is not a matter of who is "right or wrong"..it is a matter if personal interpretation. And that is very good.

The solution here is simple..for those posts you do not like and find objectionalbe, quit reading them. You are not forced to read them. But you cannt force your rules either. This is a free..and open..speech space. Period.

I have a feeling this one's going to run and run.
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you are probalby right, gummdge! )))) sorry...

"that same argument was made against you, when you referred to unsettled arsenal fans as 'whingers.' yet you labelled it 'pathetic."

Steady on, this certainly will run on and on if im going to have to deal with people deliberately misinterpreting my words. Where exactly have i labelled unsettled arsenal fans as whingers? Unsettled arsenal fans voice their concerns, and did i not make a distinction between voicing your concerns and the term "pathetic", of which whingers on here smack of

Where exactly have i labelled unsettled arsenal fans as whingers?
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these are two quotes from your original post:

'You all sound like a bunch of little whining girls.'

'Sheesh this website is to talk about football related matters not whinge 24/7 about some newspaper stories no?'

So my mistake was not specifying which users i was referring to. I can assure you it wasn't directed at every fan to have raised a complaint or issue about the club. My use of the world "all" was directed at all those that have been whinning non constructively about an issue concerning 2 of our players that has been blown out of proportion. There are plenty of "unsettled" fans it was not aimed at

There are real concerns about the way that the club is drifting at the moment.

1. The club has not won a trophy in 6 years, which by our usual standards is a very long time.

2. We have a Board who appear to be utterly complacent and self
satisfied with what has been going on.

3. A manager whose stubborness has unquestionably contributed to our decline. The so called youth project has proven a failure and whilst the football may be appealing to watch is certainly not going to win us trophies. It is frankly flawed.

4. There is clearly low morale in the squad and team that so many
players want to leave the club. Personally I don't believe that it is
just about money, but as much to do with lack of belief in the manager's project and the club's lack of ambition for its football
success rather than business plans.

5. What appears to be acceptance that the Club is no longer at
the top table of English Football and that we are now lagging far behind Manchester United,Manchester City and Chelsea both in
ambition and spending power.

As someone who has watched and supported Arsenal for over
50 years I find the situation very sad and unless there is a material change in the way that the club is being run I plan not
to renew my 2 season tickets which now cost nearly £4,000 for
season 2012/13. I am sure that I will not be alone.

How can someone who has supported the club for 'over 50 years' call 6 years a 'very long time' to wait for a trophy.Surely you remember the mid-50s and 60s then when we won nothing for over 15 years, and the post 71 time, when we only won a single FA Cup in almost twenty years.

Either you've exaggerated your age, or your memory's going old fella. You're the one who is supposed to be saying, "Bah, youngsters don't know they're born these days."

Coming third/fourth in the league and winning a cup 'every so often', is a vast improvement on my early memories of Arsenal - and I must be at least 10-15 years younger than you. I take your point about the ridiculous prices we're expected to pay - but apart from that I'm not so convinced by most of your post tbh.

Henrys Cat

I started watching in 1954. The first match was watching Stanley Matthews play at Highbury for Blackpool.

Yes I agree I exaggerated on the success rate of Arsenal in the early years.

You are absolutely correct that Arsenal were unsuccessful for the next 15 years and on the odd occasion were even saved by Jack Kelsey from relegation.

However, for all the team's shortcomings during that
period I never watched an Arsenal team capitulate in
the way that we have seen too often in recent years.

Frankly our record from 29th February2011 was abysmal with just 3 wins in 15 matches including replay against Orient. That was relegation form.