comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 minutes ago
We had 2 of our best and most important players at the time out for over 2 months, from the same game
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Assuming you mean van Ven as one, that came down to the managers tactics. Don't think I have ever seen a CB have to make as many recoveries as he does, and that is always going to risk pulling something. The lad is always chasing, whereas someone like Saliba is always ahead of the game.
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You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing. There's obviously bad luck attributed to it as well, particularly as Maddison got injured too, at about the same time in the game.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
Looking at your line ups each week so seem prettty much able to field your best eleven.
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Timber hasn't played since the 50th minute of the first game. We have been playing Kiwior left back because 3 others are out.
Partey not been available since around game 4
Jesus is out and has missed a fair few games.
We haven't had our "best XI" once this season.
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This, we've had long term injuries and injuries to players like Jesus which haven't been months out but has happened a few times which has meant a fair amount of disruption when we've needed consistency, seems like that consistency coming now and we still have a fair few to comeback.
You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing.
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Down to 10 and playing a very high line against a pacy attack with Dier alongside him. Not Ange's doing? I would suggest most managers would get his team to drop a bit, solidify and get to half time. Instead van Ven is sprinting every 10 seconds as he chases simple balls in behind him for Sterling and Jackson to run after.
Thing is it's not a cop out to explain that injuries are the reason we've fallen away.
Yes other teams have had injury issues, but they have greater squad depth than us. City, Liverpool and it would appear Arsenal can potentially lose a handful of first teamers, and have enough strength in reserve that it's barely noticeable.
Whereas for us the drop off in quality is stark. Give it another window or two and hopefully that will have significantly improved.
Also in the post Kane era. We are still scoring goals. But the leakage at the back is concerning.
Most of the goals we concede are gifts.
Yday we have 7 or 8 players in the 6 yard box and well worked corner did us. No one even challenged the header. Another error lead to the winner.
Most of the team are still young and will learn. Still another window away from having a better team and squad.
Spurs usually start the season well and then revert to their actual level.
Thing is it's not a cop out to explain that injuries are the reason we've fallen away.
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I think the point is the manager has those injuries and instead of trying to adapt slightly he has just played the same way every game.
Also, you have conceded 2 goals in 4 of the last 5 games, all with your first choice CBs and what can be considered a strong midfield. Yes, you lost the full backs yesterday but that is one position you have strength in depth. But in general, even with a largely full strength team you are still conceding 2 goals a game, something that is always going to cost points.
Being a bit more pragmatic isn't a massive step and won't have a massive negative impact on your attacking, but from his comments it doesn't seem something the manager is interested in doing.
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing.
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Down to 10 and playing a very high line against a pacy attack with Dier alongside him. Not Ange's doing? I would suggest most managers would get his team to drop a bit, solidify and get to half time. Instead van Ven is sprinting every 10 seconds as he chases simple balls in behind him for Sterling and Jackson to run after.
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Did Ange help Romero get sent off though? And did his tactics 100% guarantee an injury to VDV, or did it just maybe increase the likelihood of him getting injured? Can't pretend it is all on Ange. You have to acknowledge the bad luck aspect of the way things panned out too.
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
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We were in 5th after 25 games last season and 5th now so how are we a place worse off? DJ is telling porkies.
Conte was in charge for longer than Ange at this point and had Harry Kane as well.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
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My recollection of that game is Spurs started very well, scored early and looked like they were going to win by a few. Then your full back made a ridiculous challenge high up the pitch that could have resulted in a red. Romero then get into a scuffle in the Chelsea half. Both seemingly instructed to confront Chelsea high up the pitch. These incidents saw Chelsea come into the game and exploit the high line/high press with easy balls in behind. Seeing this change in the game, a lot of managers would get his team to take a step back, regain control of the game. Spurs didn't and that resulted in Chelsea pressure which resulted in the penalty and red.
Then, even at 1-1, down to 10, having to put Dier on, and being second best, you maintained the same tactics, which led to van de Ven having to make recovery sprint after recovery sprint.
So, yes, I would say Ange did help Romero get sent off and van de Ven injured through his naïve tactics that probably worked just fine in Scotland but need some pragmatism in the PL.
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 48 seconds ago
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
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We were in 5th after 25 games last season and 5th now so how are we a place worse off? DJ is telling porkies.
Conte was in charge for longer than Ange at this point and had Harry Kane as well.
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https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-premier-league-2022-2023-spieltag/25/
Says we were 5th but according the premier league website it says we were 4th? Assume you are using that one?
I get it. My link says after Newcastle played 25 games. You are looking at the table where Newcastle had 2 games in hand over us.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
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My recollection of that game is Spurs started very well, scored early and looked like they were going to win by a few. Then your full back made a ridiculous challenge high up the pitch that could have resulted in a red. Romero then get into a scuffle in the Chelsea half. Both seemingly instructed to confront Chelsea high up the pitch. These incidents saw Chelsea come into the game and exploit the high line/high press with easy balls in behind. Seeing this change in the game, a lot of managers would get his team to take a step back, regain control of the game. Spurs didn't and that resulted in Chelsea pressure which resulted in the penalty and red.
Then, even at 1-1, down to 10, having to put Dier on, and being second best, you maintained the same tactics, which led to van de Ven having to make recovery sprint after recovery sprint.
So, yes, I would say Ange did help Romero get sent off and van de Ven injured through his naïve tactics that probably worked just fine in Scotland but need some pragmatism in the PL.
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No manager helps their player get sent off via a bad challenge. It's like giving a manager an assist for a great goal. I suppose it's partly Ange's fault for Udogie making that poor challenge that should have resulted in a red?
Bit of a silly take really.
So a managers tactics have nothing to do with the way a team performs?
Bit of a silly take really.
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
So a managers tactics have nothing to do with the way a team performs?
Bit of a silly take really.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident, not an overall performance of a team. Is he supposed to use some sort of telepathic ability and get Romero not to make any reckless challenges at that moment?
Hope ETH can get one of his players sent off today.
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 49 seconds ago
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
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But that is often the outcome when you are trying to win the ball back quickly and up field when the opposition are getting the better of you. The other team are buoyed, are a bit quicker to the ball, and the increased pressure leads to mistakes.
You were 1 up, but Chelsea were the better team after the Udogie foul. The manager should have got the team to sit back a bit, slow the game, take the tempo out of Chelsea and regain control.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident,
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It was at least the third "isolated" incident in about 10/15 minutes.
Is Angeball going the same way as Bazzball ? both antipodeans
Don’t worry Farteta is due his throw toys out of pram post winter 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bit unfair to blame Ange for Romero being brainless. I suppose the only blame he can take for that is that he should know he’s brainless and still played him so always runs the risk.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 49 seconds ago
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
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But that is often the outcome when you are trying to win the ball back quickly and up field when the opposition are getting the better of you. The other team are buoyed, are a bit quicker to the ball, and the increased pressure leads to mistakes.
You were 1 up, but Chelsea were the better team after the Udogie foul. The manager should have got the team to sit back a bit, slow the game, take the tempo out of Chelsea and regain control.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident,
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It was at least the third "isolated" incident in about 10/15 minutes.
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No....on the field the captain should be telling the players to calm down and keep their heads.
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posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 minutes ago
We had 2 of our best and most important players at the time out for over 2 months, from the same game
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Assuming you mean van Ven as one, that came down to the managers tactics. Don't think I have ever seen a CB have to make as many recoveries as he does, and that is always going to risk pulling something. The lad is always chasing, whereas someone like Saliba is always ahead of the game.
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You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing. There's obviously bad luck attributed to it as well, particularly as Maddison got injured too, at about the same time in the game.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
Looking at your line ups each week so seem prettty much able to field your best eleven.
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Timber hasn't played since the 50th minute of the first game. We have been playing Kiwior left back because 3 others are out.
Partey not been available since around game 4
Jesus is out and has missed a fair few games.
We haven't had our "best XI" once this season.
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This, we've had long term injuries and injuries to players like Jesus which haven't been months out but has happened a few times which has meant a fair amount of disruption when we've needed consistency, seems like that consistency coming now and we still have a fair few to comeback.
posted on 18/2/24
You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing.
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Down to 10 and playing a very high line against a pacy attack with Dier alongside him. Not Ange's doing? I would suggest most managers would get his team to drop a bit, solidify and get to half time. Instead van Ven is sprinting every 10 seconds as he chases simple balls in behind him for Sterling and Jackson to run after.
posted on 18/2/24
Thing is it's not a cop out to explain that injuries are the reason we've fallen away.
Yes other teams have had injury issues, but they have greater squad depth than us. City, Liverpool and it would appear Arsenal can potentially lose a handful of first teamers, and have enough strength in reserve that it's barely noticeable.
Whereas for us the drop off in quality is stark. Give it another window or two and hopefully that will have significantly improved.
posted on 18/2/24
Also in the post Kane era. We are still scoring goals. But the leakage at the back is concerning.
Most of the goals we concede are gifts.
Yday we have 7 or 8 players in the 6 yard box and well worked corner did us. No one even challenged the header. Another error lead to the winner.
Most of the team are still young and will learn. Still another window away from having a better team and squad.
posted on 18/2/24
Spurs usually start the season well and then revert to their actual level.
posted on 18/2/24
Thing is it's not a cop out to explain that injuries are the reason we've fallen away.
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I think the point is the manager has those injuries and instead of trying to adapt slightly he has just played the same way every game.
Also, you have conceded 2 goals in 4 of the last 5 games, all with your first choice CBs and what can be considered a strong midfield. Yes, you lost the full backs yesterday but that is one position you have strength in depth. But in general, even with a largely full strength team you are still conceding 2 goals a game, something that is always going to cost points.
Being a bit more pragmatic isn't a massive step and won't have a massive negative impact on your attacking, but from his comments it doesn't seem something the manager is interested in doing.
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
You can question his tactics if you want but the injury took place after we went down to 10, which wasn't any of Ange's doing.
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Down to 10 and playing a very high line against a pacy attack with Dier alongside him. Not Ange's doing? I would suggest most managers would get his team to drop a bit, solidify and get to half time. Instead van Ven is sprinting every 10 seconds as he chases simple balls in behind him for Sterling and Jackson to run after.
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Did Ange help Romero get sent off though? And did his tactics 100% guarantee an injury to VDV, or did it just maybe increase the likelihood of him getting injured? Can't pretend it is all on Ange. You have to acknowledge the bad luck aspect of the way things panned out too.
posted on 18/2/24
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
posted on 18/2/24
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
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We were in 5th after 25 games last season and 5th now so how are we a place worse off? DJ is telling porkies.
Conte was in charge for longer than Ange at this point and had Harry Kane as well.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
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My recollection of that game is Spurs started very well, scored early and looked like they were going to win by a few. Then your full back made a ridiculous challenge high up the pitch that could have resulted in a red. Romero then get into a scuffle in the Chelsea half. Both seemingly instructed to confront Chelsea high up the pitch. These incidents saw Chelsea come into the game and exploit the high line/high press with easy balls in behind. Seeing this change in the game, a lot of managers would get his team to take a step back, regain control of the game. Spurs didn't and that resulted in Chelsea pressure which resulted in the penalty and red.
Then, even at 1-1, down to 10, having to put Dier on, and being second best, you maintained the same tactics, which led to van de Ven having to make recovery sprint after recovery sprint.
So, yes, I would say Ange did help Romero get sent off and van de Ven injured through his naïve tactics that probably worked just fine in Scotland but need some pragmatism in the PL.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by LukaBrasi Ange-r management (U22178)
posted 48 seconds ago
At the end of the day Spurs are only 2 points better off than this point last season, and a place worse off.
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We were in 5th after 25 games last season and 5th now so how are we a place worse off? DJ is telling porkies.
Conte was in charge for longer than Ange at this point and had Harry Kane as well.
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posted on 18/2/24
https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-premier-league-2022-2023-spieltag/25/
Says we were 5th but according the premier league website it says we were 4th? Assume you are using that one?
posted on 18/2/24
I get it. My link says after Newcastle played 25 games. You are looking at the table where Newcastle had 2 games in hand over us.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Did Ange help Romero get sent off though?
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I would say yes.
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How? He told him specifically to make a silly challenge in the box?
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My recollection of that game is Spurs started very well, scored early and looked like they were going to win by a few. Then your full back made a ridiculous challenge high up the pitch that could have resulted in a red. Romero then get into a scuffle in the Chelsea half. Both seemingly instructed to confront Chelsea high up the pitch. These incidents saw Chelsea come into the game and exploit the high line/high press with easy balls in behind. Seeing this change in the game, a lot of managers would get his team to take a step back, regain control of the game. Spurs didn't and that resulted in Chelsea pressure which resulted in the penalty and red.
Then, even at 1-1, down to 10, having to put Dier on, and being second best, you maintained the same tactics, which led to van de Ven having to make recovery sprint after recovery sprint.
So, yes, I would say Ange did help Romero get sent off and van de Ven injured through his naïve tactics that probably worked just fine in Scotland but need some pragmatism in the PL.
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No manager helps their player get sent off via a bad challenge. It's like giving a manager an assist for a great goal. I suppose it's partly Ange's fault for Udogie making that poor challenge that should have resulted in a red?
Bit of a silly take really.
posted on 18/2/24
So a managers tactics have nothing to do with the way a team performs?
Bit of a silly take really.
posted on 18/2/24
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 33 seconds ago
So a managers tactics have nothing to do with the way a team performs?
Bit of a silly take really.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident, not an overall performance of a team. Is he supposed to use some sort of telepathic ability and get Romero not to make any reckless challenges at that moment?
posted on 18/2/24
Hope ETH can get one of his players sent off today.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 49 seconds ago
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
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But that is often the outcome when you are trying to win the ball back quickly and up field when the opposition are getting the better of you. The other team are buoyed, are a bit quicker to the ball, and the increased pressure leads to mistakes.
You were 1 up, but Chelsea were the better team after the Udogie foul. The manager should have got the team to sit back a bit, slow the game, take the tempo out of Chelsea and regain control.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident,
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It was at least the third "isolated" incident in about 10/15 minutes.
posted on 18/2/24
Is Angeball going the same way as Bazzball ? both antipodeans
posted on 18/2/24
Don’t worry Farteta is due his throw toys out of pram post winter 🤣🤣🤣🤣
posted on 18/2/24
Bit unfair to blame Ange for Romero being brainless. I suppose the only blame he can take for that is that he should know he’s brainless and still played him so always runs the risk.
posted on 18/2/24
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 49 seconds ago
No...sorry DJ but tactics maybe .....
But wether you're instructing to high press or not....
He's not said lose your head and start clattering people has he.
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But that is often the outcome when you are trying to win the ball back quickly and up field when the opposition are getting the better of you. The other team are buoyed, are a bit quicker to the ball, and the increased pressure leads to mistakes.
You were 1 up, but Chelsea were the better team after the Udogie foul. The manager should have got the team to sit back a bit, slow the game, take the tempo out of Chelsea and regain control.
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Yes but we're talking about an unpredictable isolated incident,
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It was at least the third "isolated" incident in about 10/15 minutes.
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No....on the field the captain should be telling the players to calm down and keep their heads.
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