comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
The thing I'd say about Onana is that his "mistakes" are not, to my eye, typical of most GK's. He's not spilling the ball (llike Neuer last night), or dropping catches or doing Taibi's.

Onana's problem seems to be that shots that look very saveable seem to go past him in slightly unexplainable ways, and that his diving technique has always looked awkward, unorthodox and delayed.

He's just a bit of an enigma of a GK and I'm unsure that this is something that will change irrespective of how many shots he faces. Of course, less shots will decrease the rate at which these aspects of his game and style are exposed but I think he's a flawed GK even at his best.

I'd be surprised if he was our GK long term, but I'd also be very happy to see him improve and establish himself without the big questions marks hanging over him.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this. Thank you for confirming I'm not alone in my thoughts.

He’s terrible and if Tuchel comes in there’s absolutely no way he plays him. We may not be able to sell him anytime soon but Tuchel will look to find a cheap, reliable keeper.

comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
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posted 24 minutes ago
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posted 23 minutes ago

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 25 minutes ago
The club aren't in a position to not give him another season.
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Again that's probably correct too.

ETH really spaffed 400m away didn't he? Jesus Chris

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The "club" did but let's not split hairs, eh, SE85! 😉
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He picked them. The club made the deals.

Let's not split hairs for god's sake. I know you're his long lost love child but he's managed to spend £400m and makes us a poorer team. 😂
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He's not, we have. ie the club. I doubt he was involved in any negotiation
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Ole got blamed for all the players 'that arrived at the club' during his time,
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Ole was hired as interim manager then manager, wasn't he, RB&W? Happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. Ole was heavily involved in transfers at Molde before he joined Utd. So, the expectation was he would be involved in transfers at Utd, which he was.

ETH was a coach at Ajax and was hired in that capacity for Utd. He was never involved in transfers at Ajax given Overmars was the DoF there, who many cite as the mastermind who put the winning squad together for ETH to coach.

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
The thing I'd say about Onana is that his "mistakes" are not, to my eye, typical of most GK's. He's not spilling the ball (llike Neuer last night), or dropping catches or doing Taibi's.

Onana's problem seems to be that shots that look very saveable seem to go past him in slightly unexplainable ways, and that his diving technique has always looked awkward, unorthodox and delayed.

He's just a bit of an enigma of a GK and I'm unsure that this is something that will change irrespective of how many shots he faces. Of course, less shots will decrease the rate at which these aspects of his game and style are exposed but I think he's a flawed GK even at his best.

I'd be surprised if he was our GK long term, but I'd also be very happy to see him improve and establish himself without the big questions marks hanging over him.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this. Thank you for confirming I'm not alone in my thoughts.
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Key difference is BK is far more objective. Your post consisted of emotive rants of an inarticulate mad man!

comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 4 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 23 minutes ago

comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 25 minutes ago
The club aren't in a position to not give him another season.
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Again that's probably correct too.

ETH really spaffed 400m away didn't he? Jesus Chris

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The "club" did but let's not split hairs, eh, SE85! 😉
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He picked them. The club made the deals.

Let's not split hairs for god's sake. I know you're his long lost love child but he's managed to spend £400m and makes us a poorer team. 😂
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He's not, we have. ie the club. I doubt he was involved in any negotiation
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Ole got blamed for all the players 'that arrived at the club' during his time,
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Well with each manager that passes, the more we come round to the fact that all of them have been let down by the charlatans working above them. I blamed Moyes, LVG and Jose for their transfers at the time when in hindsight I shouldn't have. They might have identified their targets personally, but that's still on the club. We shouldn't be expecting these people to have the expertise to oversee recruitment, and shouldn't be surprised that it produces consistently shīt outcomes.

Look! I get all this the keeper has to be good with his feet and distribution, however isn’t the main task of a keeper to stop the ball from going in the back of the net!

It’s clear that Ten Hag wanted the likes of Antony and Onana. But the club should have been better at saying no.

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 13 minutes ago
The thing I'd say about Onana is that his "mistakes" are not, to my eye, typical of most GK's. He's not spilling the ball (llike Neuer last night), or dropping catches or doing Taibi's.

Onana's problem seems to be that shots that look very saveable seem to go past him in slightly unexplainable ways, and that his diving technique has always looked awkward, unorthodox and delayed.

He's just a bit of an enigma of a GK and I'm unsure that this is something that will change irrespective of how many shots he faces. Of course, less shots will decrease the rate at which these aspects of his game and style are exposed but I think he's a flawed GK even at his best.

I'd be surprised if he was our GK long term, but I'd also be very happy to see him improve and establish himself without the big questions marks hanging over him.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees this. Thank you for confirming I'm not alone in my thoughts.
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Key difference is BK is far more objective. Your post consisted of emotive rants of an inarticulate mad man!
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"Onana's problem seems to be that shots that look very saveable seem to go past him in slightly unexplainable ways, and that his diving technique has always looked awkward, unorthodox and delayed."

Is almost word for word what I've said about Onana at least a dozen times.

Except that they are explainable with a simple explanation of that he's facking sheet

comment by RED666……🚽🚽 3-2 Liverpool (U6562)
posted 14 minutes ago
Look! I get all this the keeper has to be good with his feet and distribution, however isn’t the main task of a keeper to stop the ball from going in the back of the net!

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Without doubt but factor in the record number of shots faced by a GK, quite possibly in the modern times, most definitely in our time watching Utd, then you get to appreciate that Onana can't be judged fairly.

As many have said, once we have a settled defence and a strong spine the focus will move away from the GK unless of course he makes a mistake.

Every goal conceded leads to a focus on the GK, if he's facing more than he should then the focus will always be the GK.

comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 8 minutes ago
Except that they are explainable with a simple explanation of that he's facking sheet
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Interspersed with profanities of a drunk. 🤣

Very eloquent, Ali!

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 8 minutes ago
Except that they are explainable with a simple explanation of that he's facking sheet
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Interspersed with profanities of a drunk. 🤣

Very eloquent, Ali!
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comment by Ali - (U1192)
posted 18 minutes ago
Except that they are explainable with a simple explanation of that he's facking sheet
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Bloodred

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The data on players is available everywhere, god only knows what type of data we hold. Besides that, our scouting network consistently identify potential who are then nurtured well enough to go into represent the club. The sad thing is that area where we excelled and still excel was overlooked for supposed big names who added nothing but a headline for the record transfer they warranted, that's been the key feature of our transfer strategy for the last 10 years, this can be largely blamed on Ed Woodward. Even to this day our failure can be largely down to not moving with the times, not having a DoF.

The Glazers own this club, they have wasted vast resources and have overseen failure year in, year out. They only did this because it had zero impact on the value of the club, it's currently the most valuable club in the world. You wouldn't think we've been in the wilderness for a decade! As fans it's a classic double edged sword!

He will never be on par with the average PL goalkeeper when it comes to shot stopping, he’s well before par in that aspect.

So if we’re to make use of him we need to reduce the number of shots he faces (shouldn’t be too hard) and sign 4-5 defenders and a midfielder to allow him to play out the back.

He's got a howler in him but he has not been helped by having a shoddy defence and midfield that allow people to stroll through to him.

To be fair, all of our keepers from our successful era with SAF to date have always had a mistake inthem.

Van der Sar was the only one that never dropped us in it.

Schmeichel had a few, as did Barthez, Howard, Carroll, De Gea, etc

Quite good now, and improving.

Schmeichel had a few,

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surprised to that I must admit,

I had Schmeichel as one of the best keepers of all time tbf for you guys?, no?

The differences were, if Schmeical let one in, it rarely affected the result, and he had credit in the bank.

Onana isn't great, but not to the extent that he is an issue that needs tackling for next season.............if he was, it would suggest we have rectified many other issues which we have

comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Schmeichel had a few,

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surprised to that I must admit,

I had Schmeichel as one of the best keepers of all time tbf for you guys?, no?
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Yup and onana is one of our worst

comment by The Spanish Italians - It dint come home (U21595)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Schmeichel had a few,

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surprised to that I must admit,

I had Schmeichel as one of the best keepers of all time tbf for you guys?, no?
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He was one of the best of all time. A fantastic keeper. He did drop the odd howler, but every keeper does. And some of the saves the Schmeichel made were incredible. He was also good at intimidating opposition players in one-one-one situations with his size abd by being aggressive.

There is no hard and fast rule as to how recruitment best works in football.

As far as the on pitch performance goes. The manager / head coach SHOULD be best placed to identify what his squad requires, and which players would be beneficial.

Business wise, yeah, a director of football might be better for the finances, but might not.

I dont recall anyone using the quality of their teammates when judging Schmeichel or DDG.