Everyone is going crazy about the midfield and how poor it is but i am worried about the wingers.
Last season, i thought we had by a mile the best wingers in the PL. Nani, Valencia, Young, Park, Giggs and the likes of Welbeck etc filling in.
But Nani seems to be in and out of the team and not liked. Valencia hasnt been as good and Young just isnt good enough. Park was rightly offloaded as he was past his best and Giggs doesnt play as a wide player now.
But Welbeck is a big issue, clearly not a winger and not good enough to start upfront (or be impact sub wiith Hernandez far more effective)
I just don't get what has happened. I mean weve even started using a diamond formation. Kagawa and Cleverley have played wide but are totally wasted.
I miss the days having Becks and Giggs or Ronaldo and Nani/Park on the wings. Just don't seem to be creating much anymore.
I don;t know what the solution is. Sell Young? Buy Rodriguez from Porto? I fear we will sell Nani, and then we will be even weaker
Wingers.
posted on 24/11/12
comment by vik (U12889)
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They have no wingers that play as wingers yet everyone seems to think we've really missed out on Hazard and Mata
posted on 24/11/12
But try telling some people that Giggs and Carrick actually played well last week but the wingers destroyed their good work every time.
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what????
how on earth did giggs and Carrick have a good match????
madness
posted on 24/11/12
Greg
Tell me anything they did as bad as the wingers then?
posted on 24/11/12
I never thought we had the "best" wingers. Valencia is good and Nani is great on his day but very inconsistent. But Ashley Young was never any good and I've never rated him.
posted on 24/11/12
But try telling some people that Giggs and Carrick actually played well last week but the wingers destroyed their good work every time.
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thats absolute nonsense though... our wingers were poor but Giggs and Carrick were shocking too.
Valencia et al are badly out of form but part of the reason it is leaving us so toothless is that when we start with our oldies it gives us a static midfield which offers nothing in attacking areas or in supporting the forwards... all they do is knock the ball out wide.
This in turn makes us desperately predictable and easier to defend against. All Norwich had to do was cut out crosses and double up on wingers and we were stuffed.
With a less static midfield it not only gives us more variety going forward but also creates more room for our wide players.
they are both problem areas atm... and for me one problem is making the other worse
posted on 24/11/12
Valencia was doubled up evrrytime he had the ball so he coulsnt do much anyway. If Rafael wasn't near Valencia he had no support as giggs and Carrick were playing statues on the half way line.
evrrytime giggs and Carrick received a ball they lumped it 40 yards up the pitch only for the opposition to get the ball, albeit a one or two lucky balls that got through but rvp couldn't put it away.
I don't blame it on Carrick by the way, its purely giggs fault because Carrick has to change his game when playing next To giggs, there's just zero movement drive or power when those two are together all they can do is lump the ball across the pitch and do you know how frustrating it is for a forward player to just stand around upfront doing nothing because the midfield are hopeless? Extremely frustrating! That's one of the reasons rooneys started to drop deep a few years ago
posted on 24/11/12
I think the problem we have with out wingers is there inability to beat a man.
Valencia is strong and powerful but extremely one footed. Although his link up with rafa is very good!
Young has been injured a lot of the season but hasnt really come back storming. I do like young on the left but the masses are right he's not playing too well at the moment.
Nani on the other hand has skill and pace in his locker! But nani's main flaw is his decision making, more often than not hell get in the right positions but his final ball is below standard, or the thing that annoys me most, slowing the play down to beat a man, and then going back to beat him again!
I am not counting giggs as a winger as he def can't play there anymore!
The main problem we have is the way teams set up against us is to defend deep and counter through the middle! As that's were we're weakest!
If our wingers can't make use of the ball ultimately we will loose it and be put under pressure! If fergie is going to fix anything first it has to be the midfield, if we're solid in the middle our wingers will Benifit more!!!
posted on 24/11/12
I don't blame it on Carrick by the way, its purely giggs fault because Carrick has to change his game when playing next To giggs, there's just zero movement drive or power
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Carrick shows little movement, drive or power as an individual.
posted on 24/11/12
Tell me anything they did as bad as the wingers then?
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wingers have had poor form and we have no choice but to stick with them until their form improves
but our cm has been terrible with carrick giggs and scholes too static to provide passing option
posted on 24/11/12
When I argued we need a winger at the start of the season, I was hounded with abuse.....!!!