Why did people believe Moyes was ever going to work?
I feel all he did during his time at Everton was take a mid table team and make them a top 6 team. That's not exactly the second coming of our Lord. I firmly believe that people have faith in Moyes because SAF has told us to. I think this is the real topic for discussion.
Throughout my years of watching man utd in the transfer market, I never felt that ferguson was the best shopper. He was gifted a bunch of heroes in scholes, giggs et al and sure, he made some great buys, namely messers cantona, Keanu, vidic and irwin(I left out Ronaldo cause it was the players who forced that purchase). But I think looking at his failures in the market is an indication as to whether HIS choice for a successor is a good one. Step up and take a bow Vernon, Djemba-Djemba, kleberson, berbatov, bellion, bebe, young, nani, Anderson, miller, Valencia....the list is as long as SAF awards. He was a great man but a flawed man also. He pushed beckham, ince and stam out the door and he didn't spend on essien and Gareth bale when he had the chance. He threw 7 million pounds at a homeless footballer(bebe) with less than 3 months of top flight action under his belt, and when that went belly up, he only went and did pretty much the exact same thing again with Chris smalling,and mark my words, the result will be the same. If the football thing never worked out for Fergie, there's enough evidence to suggest he would have ended up CEO of Goldman Sachs or Lehmen Bros given the wild speculation he was fond of!
My final thought is this....Is Moyes the next forlan, good but not good with united. I think time will prove me right, it's just a pity we are obliged by Fergie-Law to give it time....
Is Moyes the new Klebersen
posted on 20/1/14
wow dude with no name. SAF never made a good signing did he? "He was gifted a bunch of heroes in scholes, gigs" Its SAF that made them who they are. He trusted them when pundits say 'you never win anything with kids' Its his guidance and motivation that made them what they are. " (I left out Ronaldo cause it was the players who forced that purchase)" is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard. "Rio never fulfilled that tag" What more does rio has to do to fulfill his prize tag? there are so much crap in your posts I don't know where to begin. You claim to worship SAF but your posts suggest you don't have a clue about him.
finally
People will remember SAF for his last acquisition.
David Moyes
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OMFG, Ive read some crap here but this is a whole new level of stupidity. I want moyes out asap but ripping on the best servant for the club since its establishment, wow
posted on 20/1/14
actually giggs came from city and beckham from tottenham
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Giggs and Beckham both signed for United on their 14th birthdays. Prior to that they attended City's and Spurs' schools of excellence as well as representing boys' local clubs. I'm not sure you can say either player is a product of City / Spurs.
By the way, Fergie personally intervened to make sure United got the signature of Giggs and the club was active in securing Beckham's.
posted on 20/1/14
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
OP
1) Naturally, we are all anonymous. I wouldn't trust the credentials of anyone on these boards above that of a highly paid professional. That's why I raise an eyebrow or two when posters use phrases like 'mark my words' and 'take it from me'. However, the fact that you only have a user ID in your name gives you a further degree of anonymity, as no one will remember those digits, meaning we don't get to know you as a persona on this forum or to 'mark your words'.
2) Factual errors:
a) United did pursue Essien for a prolonged period of time. Lyon's president priced us out of the market and then Chelsea came in with a bid we couldn't match.
b) Bebe wasn't a homeless footballer. He didn't have 3 months' top flight experience.
c) Despite Beckham's carefully crafted PR, there is little evidence that Fergie pushed him out of the door. The club offered him a new contract, on which he stalled. Months before the end of the season, Beckham was checking out real estate and schools in Madrid. When United agreed to sell him to Madrid Beckham and Real signed a contract (the terms of which would have usually required hundreds of lawyer hours) the very next day. The two obviously fell out, but there is strong evidence that the cause of the rift was Fergie's awareness that Beckham was jumping ship.
d) Not exactly a factual error but how anyone can describe the sale of Ince as one of Fergie's historic mistakes, bearing in mind the quality and immediate achievements of the players he made room for, hardly reflects well on the clarity of your thinking.
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As for your first point...my code name is zafirno, why it doesnt show up is something i'll have to rectify and here is the only other comment i posted before today
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posted on 5/12/13
Haven't visited before but reading the forums I think it's obvious how disheartening the whole man utd situation is. Fergie dragged a bunch of average players to a title on the back of a few talented guys last year. Moyes can't do the same so don't expect him to. Our once dominant defence is a shambles. If jones and smalling are in fact the future of man utd and England, then play them and leave vidic and Evans behind(neither of whom deserve to play based on recent performances). Man utds midfield was immense many years ago. Ronaldo masked an average midfield for a few years but now it's glaringly obvious how deficient we are. When carrick is the best option, it's time to revamp. Fellaini was a panic buy and is not worth his place, let alone the price tag. How do we spend close to 30 million on him and refuse dembele for 10??? We are facing into a dark era unless we change the whole midfield and play the defence that will lead us into a new era(Rafael,Jones,Smalling). We need to release Valencia, young, nani(if he is not world class by now he never will be, and that's the standard we want), cleverly, carrick and Anderson. Giggs should retire. I know that sounds extreme but I think it's time for those measures. We should have kept Meulensteen on for stability in a transition period. W should also buy that young Everton midfielder Barkley and make him the centre piece of the new midfield. If we continue to accept sub standard footballers at the best club in the world then we won't achieve anything. Fergie is gone and so is his power...."
It has some significant overlaps with that of Robbie Savages(a "highly paid professional" recent bbc article written post mine...I'd hazard a guess that you are probably someone who passes of others opinions as you own cause you cant generate any yourself....
posted on 20/1/14
They are hardly products of United though are they as they both clearly had way more talent than any other kid out there before joining United.
posted on 20/1/14
OP
I don't see how I can be right about the Homeless World Cup when I haven't mentioned the Homeless World Cup at all. What I said was that Bebe was not a homeless footballer. He was a professional footballer who had a salary and a home and who had been sometime previously, homeless. I also pointed out that your 'three months' came from nowhere. Bebe had NO top flight experience at the time we signed him.
Regarding Beckham, I have offered pieces of evidence that support the view he wasn't pushed out: the contract offered and spurned, the preparations to live in Madrid, the unusual haste with which personal terms were agreed with Real. Where is the counter evidence?
As for Essien, it was well know he was our number one target. We made offers for him. Fergie obviously wanted him. It wasn't Fergie's job to decide how much we could afford. His job was to tell Gill which players he wanted. There was a time when Anderson and Nani both looked as though they were going to be decent acquisitions. And the amount they cost (which seems to rise every time someone mentions it - at the time it was reported to be a figure "rising to" about £30 million for the two of them) would also have been subject to the money men's valuations and understood in the context of rising revenues and transfer inflation since the time we had missed out on Essien.
posted on 20/1/14
It's a sad state of affairs when a team ends up with some fans like the op.
As a Liverpool fan, I'm sure you can understand how much I would have loved to personally strangle SAF, but......
At least I'm willing to give him respect for what he achieved, sometimes grudgingly, but, nevertheless genuine respect.
Of course he made mistakes, that's what you learn from.
There's an old saying. "Good judgement comes from experience, unfortunately, experience often comes from poor judgement".
You give so little credence to the fact that you had such a good, no, international class group of youngsters comming through together, well, we had the spice boys and I can tell you which group were managed better.
Whether or not you get behind your current manager is entirely your business but I would advise that you will very quickly get derided by your fellow supporters when you come on here spouting complete drivell against the institution that was your previous manager.
posted on 20/1/14
They are hardly products of United though are they as they both clearly had way more talent than any other kid out there before joining United.
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They certainly had lots of talent. But is 'talent' the 'product' of an academy? Did City make Giggs talented?
As far as I understand, Giggs wasn't affiliated with City for long, nor Beckham with Spurs. They were both playing football for local boys' clubs, having trials in various places and naturally got hoovered up by their local professional club.
As far I understood, this subject arose because someone said Fergie just got lucky. My contention is that it is thanks to Fergie's emphasis on reinvigorating the youth team and stocking it with the best youngsters out there that both players were secured by United. When a manager goes round to meet the family and explain how he will nurture the kid's career - and then goes ahead and does exactly what he promised - you can't attribute that to luck.
posted on 20/1/14
It says a lot that a number of fans of our bitterest rivals are nonplussed by the attitude of the OP (echoed even more starkly by SLM).
posted on 20/1/14
You make some points but that does not take away from the overall silly article.
Smalling is a quality player as well
posted on 20/1/14
comment by Screen (U8522)
posted 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
wow dude with no name. SAF never made a good signing did he? "He was gifted a bunch of heroes in scholes, gigs" Its SAF that made them who they are. He trusted them when pundits say 'you never win anything with kids' Its his guidance and motivation that made them what they are. " (I left out Ronaldo cause it was the players who forced that purchase)" is one of the dumbest things Ive ever heard. "Rio never fulfilled that tag" What more does rio has to do to fulfill his prize tag? there are so much crap in your posts I don't know where to begin. You claim to worship SAF but your posts suggest you don't have a clue about him.
finally
People will remember SAF for his last acquisition.
David Moyes
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OMFG, Ive read some crap here but this is a whole new level of stupidity. I want moyes out asap but ripping on the best servant for the club since its establishment, wow
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Did i say he never made a good signing? i dont remember saying that. Also, you mean to say Rio Ferdinand became the best defender in the world? Because that was my comment....most expensive player, didnt fulfill the title of the price tag...remember?