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Since the Carabao Final

That week we also knocked Barca out of the Europa.

While I didn’t buy into the narrative played by some that United are back it did look like we had a manager who was building something.

While the Carabao Cup performance was very José-esque we still found a way to win.

Since then though we’ve dropped off a cliff form wise and there’s no sign of any improvements in style of play.

Players who were brilliant from the WC up until the Carabao Cup win dropped off massively. Mainly Rashford, Casemiro and Bruno to an extent.

Did the manager and players think the achievement was bigger than it was and get complacent or has the number of games played began to take it’s toll.

posted on 1/10/23

ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.

Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.

posted on 1/10/23

comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.

Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...

Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests

The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.

The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.

But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above

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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.

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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho


He can’t sack the whole team

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 25 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.

Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Genuinely curious. Who picks the transfer targets at Liverpool and city?

How are they ran differently to us?

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.

Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...

Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests

The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.

The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.

But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho


He can’t sack the whole team
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.

Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...

Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests

The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.

The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.

But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho


He can’t sack the whole team
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
David Moyes
Louis van Gaal
Jose Mourinho
OGS
ETH

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.

Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...

Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests

The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.

The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.

But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yea. I dont get this either. In an active measure to blame every single thing except the players, paid heavily by the owners, honoured and managed passionately by the manager and worshiped by the fans performing at a below par level. Regularly.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.

Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.

All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.

Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...

Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests

The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.

The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.

But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho


He can’t sack the whole team
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He should do what benefits the team. Many are assuming the "superstars " are the solution to this. Making sure we have a balanced team is the solution

posted on 1/10/23

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.

Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.

All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say that but Jose has been sacked from clubs since leaving us for doing an awful job.
LVG hasn't managed anyone else.
Moyes? Really? Don't you remember the 1000x crosses in one game.

posted on 1/10/23

it's everybody at the club doing their job (either knowingly or not) very averagely or badly. The manager, players, coaching staff, directors, owners. All symptons of the rotten culture eating throughout the club. Its riddled with it.

And the buck stops at the very top.

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