Tell us what do you think has gone wrong?
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tell us what do you think has gone wrong?
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I don’t know but potentially lack of rotation last season. Potentially the squad getting complacent after landing a trophy.
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
I do also wonder if we are at times overrating our players.
In 1992-1994, 1999-2002 or 2006-2009 - how many of our players then would have got into our rivals’ teams?
How many now? One? Two at the very most?
I think that also says it all. Our players have moments or short periods where they appear truly class. But none of them have done it for seasons on the bounce which is what makes top, top players.
Onana no
Dalot no
Varane no
Martinez close but no
Shaw very close but no
Casemiro no
Bruno yes strongest possibility
Mount no
Rashford maybe
Hojlund no
Sancho no
Antony no
That’s our first XI too. Now look at our title winning sides:
Peter yes
Parker no
Bruce maybe
Pallister maybe
Irwin yes
Kanchelskis maybe
Keane yes
Ince yes
Giggs yes
Hughes maybe
Cantona yes
Peter yes
Nev yes
Stam yes
Johnson no
Irwin yes
Beckham yes
Keane yes
Scholes yes
Giggs yes
Yorke yes
Cole yes
Teddy yes
OGS yes
Edwin yes
Neville yes
Rio yes
Vidic yes
Evra yea
Hargreaves yes
Carrick yes
Scholes yes
Giggs yes
Ronaldo yes
Rooney yes
Tévez yes
Berbatov yes
I think this says a lot. Now where it’s a lack of character or ability or both but you can see the huge difference between those groups of players, HUGE.
A fit Varane still gets in most teams imo. The rest no.
comment by aroon1 (U7949)
posted 9 minutes ago
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
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Bruno is a shadow of the player that first joined United.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 18 seconds ago
A fit Varane still gets in most teams imo. The rest no.
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But he isn’t staying fit, so no.
Putting Bruno as captain was a massive mistake. He’s way too self centred and with no leadership qualities. When you’re in transition and with so many average players then a real leader on the pitch can make a big difference.
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by aroon1 (U7949)
posted 9 minutes ago
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
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Bruno is a shadow of the player that first joined United.
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Everyone else is too more or less. Nobody seems to improve coming here.
People underestimate the impact. If injuries to Martinez and Verane had on us last season tbh. I don’t think any side in the league doesn’t drop off without their two first choice CB pairing
As for this season, it’s been a mess from top to bottom. Our signings are uninspiring, we didn’t get players out the door that we wanted to, the whole club sale shenanigan’s, the amount of travel pre season.
Worst of all, it looks like the players have yet again downed tools for the manager. It turns out, Ronaldo was right about the club.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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So it's Eth fault or the owners fault for hiring Eth?
Player power happens at every club not just ours.
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 25 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Genuinely curious. Who picks the transfer targets at Liverpool and city?
How are they ran differently to us?
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
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He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
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He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
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David Moyes
Louis van Gaal
Jose Mourinho
OGS
ETH
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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Yea. I dont get this either. In an active measure to blame every single thing except the players, paid heavily by the owners, honoured and managed passionately by the manager and worshiped by the fans performing at a below par level. Regularly.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.
All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
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He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
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He should do what benefits the team. Many are assuming the "superstars " are the solution to this. Making sure we have a balanced team is the solution
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.
All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.
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You say that but Jose has been sacked from clubs since leaving us for doing an awful job.
LVG hasn't managed anyone else.
Moyes? Really? Don't you remember the 1000x crosses in one game.
it's everybody at the club doing their job (either knowingly or not) very averagely or badly. The manager, players, coaching staff, directors, owners. All symptons of the rotten culture eating throughout the club. Its riddled with it.
And the buck stops at the very top.
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posted on 1/10/23
Tell us what do you think has gone wrong?
posted on 1/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Tell us what do you think has gone wrong?
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I don’t know but potentially lack of rotation last season. Potentially the squad getting complacent after landing a trophy.
posted on 1/10/23
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
posted on 1/10/23
I do also wonder if we are at times overrating our players.
In 1992-1994, 1999-2002 or 2006-2009 - how many of our players then would have got into our rivals’ teams?
How many now? One? Two at the very most?
I think that also says it all. Our players have moments or short periods where they appear truly class. But none of them have done it for seasons on the bounce which is what makes top, top players.
Onana no
Dalot no
Varane no
Martinez close but no
Shaw very close but no
Casemiro no
Bruno yes strongest possibility
Mount no
Rashford maybe
Hojlund no
Sancho no
Antony no
That’s our first XI too. Now look at our title winning sides:
Peter yes
Parker no
Bruce maybe
Pallister maybe
Irwin yes
Kanchelskis maybe
Keane yes
Ince yes
Giggs yes
Hughes maybe
Cantona yes
Peter yes
Nev yes
Stam yes
Johnson no
Irwin yes
Beckham yes
Keane yes
Scholes yes
Giggs yes
Yorke yes
Cole yes
Teddy yes
OGS yes
Edwin yes
Neville yes
Rio yes
Vidic yes
Evra yea
Hargreaves yes
Carrick yes
Scholes yes
Giggs yes
Ronaldo yes
Rooney yes
Tévez yes
Berbatov yes
I think this says a lot. Now where it’s a lack of character or ability or both but you can see the huge difference between those groups of players, HUGE.
posted on 1/10/23
*whether
posted on 1/10/23
A fit Varane still gets in most teams imo. The rest no.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by aroon1 (U7949)
posted 9 minutes ago
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
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Bruno is a shadow of the player that first joined United.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 18 seconds ago
A fit Varane still gets in most teams imo. The rest no.
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But he isn’t staying fit, so no.
posted on 1/10/23
Putting Bruno as captain was a massive mistake. He’s way too self centred and with no leadership qualities. When you’re in transition and with so many average players then a real leader on the pitch can make a big difference.
posted on 1/10/23
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
posted on 1/10/23
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by aroon1 (U7949)
posted 9 minutes ago
Think we just need to reset expectations and assume last year was a minor blip when other teams were playing poorly. If you can come to term with the fact we have a very average team, then being in 10th is about right.
Need a mass clear out after we have finished the original mass clear out.
Rashford - no decision making
Anthony - one foot
Onana - cant save
Fernandes - doesnt do much of anything these days apart from whine and attempt hollywood passes.
Casemiro - no legs left
Dalot and AWB - cant cross
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Bruno is a shadow of the player that first joined United.
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Everyone else is too more or less. Nobody seems to improve coming here.
posted on 1/10/23
People underestimate the impact. If injuries to Martinez and Verane had on us last season tbh. I don’t think any side in the league doesn’t drop off without their two first choice CB pairing
As for this season, it’s been a mess from top to bottom. Our signings are uninspiring, we didn’t get players out the door that we wanted to, the whole club sale shenanigan’s, the amount of travel pre season.
Worst of all, it looks like the players have yet again downed tools for the manager. It turns out, Ronaldo was right about the club.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
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Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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So it's Eth fault or the owners fault for hiring Eth?
Player power happens at every club not just ours.
posted on 1/10/23
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
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ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 25 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Genuinely curious. Who picks the transfer targets at Liverpool and city?
How are they ran differently to us?
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
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He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
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David Moyes
Louis van Gaal
Jose Mourinho
OGS
ETH
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
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Yea. I dont get this either. In an active measure to blame every single thing except the players, paid heavily by the owners, honoured and managed passionately by the manager and worshiped by the fans performing at a below par level. Regularly.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
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Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.
All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
Weve gone through this before.
Since the Cup win last February United have had to endure...
Greenwood latest
The shenanigans over the sale by Glazers turing out to be a flase dawn.
The Anthony affair.
Sancho and ETH public row
An unbelievably crap pre season.
Key players returning back to the club injured.
Not been able to sell players he doesntwant who are costing us a fortune.
Prurchasing injured players in the summer window
Many players getting injured since the start of the season.
ETH still not being able to break the player power culture at the club and not been able to stamp his authority on his style of play
Supporters ramping up the anti Glazer protests
The club is a complete dysfuncyional mess from top to bottom. So many negatives and distractions. I doesnt matter what players we stick in the team or what manager you get to run it, you will get the same results.
The club needs to be sold. New owners who will sak everybody who has responsibility and start again with a clean state.
But the reasons why United are not performing has nothing to do with Rashford Bruno or Casemero. Their form as with all the others the same are symptons of the above
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst the club is a mess from top down. I think you are absolving the players of their responsibilities of their performances or lack thereof a little too much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
if the players are not fulfilling their resposibilities then the manager should act on it. That's what he's there for. I have mentioned about the player power culture that Rangnick identified being a factor. ETH was to be the real deal manager that would break that. I think he is trying but not been able to break it yet. The players play as if they havent been told what to do and how ETH wants them to do it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ETH has binned Ronaldo, binned Maguire, sold a bunch of players, benched Rashford, disciplined Sancho, disciplined Garnacho
He can’t sack the whole team
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He needs to inspire them. Not just discipline them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He should do what benefits the team. Many are assuming the "superstars " are the solution to this. Making sure we have a balanced team is the solution
posted on 1/10/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 43 minutes ago
ETH wouldnt be an issue at all if we had competent people in the recruitment team and a quality director of football.
Whoever takes this job in its current form will fail.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agree. We’ve had Jose, LVG, ETH and Moyes.
All have decent enough CVs to succeed at Utd in my opinion.
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You say that but Jose has been sacked from clubs since leaving us for doing an awful job.
LVG hasn't managed anyone else.
Moyes? Really? Don't you remember the 1000x crosses in one game.
posted on 1/10/23
it's everybody at the club doing their job (either knowingly or not) very averagely or badly. The manager, players, coaching staff, directors, owners. All symptons of the rotten culture eating throughout the club. Its riddled with it.
And the buck stops at the very top.
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