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It's early days for INEOS but the worst thing they can do is recruit players based on who suits the manager

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Ten Hag is the first manager we had (since SAF) who’s gotten the players he wanted and that shouldn’t be the reason we don’t repeat that, it’s just that Ten Hag has terrible taste. Now I agree no manager should have carte Blanche to only sign players on a whim but at the same time you have some players who suit the manager or else you’re handicapping them.

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 14 minutes ago
I’d be very surprised if he has a release clause that low.

I’d normally agree that United would let managers bring players in they know, but it remains to be seen what things will look like on the transfer front this summer.

Plus it’s not always the case that a manager wants to bring in a player they know from an old club when they’ve been in a smaller league. United do have the money to spend top dollar, after all.

For example, it may be that there’s just better wing backs available on the market than what he’s used at Sporting.

I wouldn’t be opposed to selling one of the strikers we have and signing Gyokeres, but I’m just not sure if we’ll do that. We’ll have to wait and see.
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comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's early days for INEOS but the worst thing they can do is recruit players based on who suits the manager

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Ten Hag is the first manager we had (since SAF) who’s gotten the players he wanted and that shouldn’t be the reason we don’t repeat that, it’s just that Ten Hag has terrible taste. Now I agree no manager should have carte Blanche to only sign players on a whim but at the same time you have some players who suit the manager or else you’re handicapping them.


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Van Gaal and Mourhino both bought players they wanted.

For long periods we had a mish mash of players stretching back 3-4 managers.

Then prior to INEOS, the likes of the clueless Murtough just decided to buy who Ten Hag wanted because he was inept and out of his depth at recruitment himself.

It might just have been enough for INEOS to work with had Ten Hag come good. But now he's sacked the last thing we should do, is go with the players Amorim want or we'll just be back to where we were before.

INEOS, Ashworth, the new CEO should all have a strategy based on the style of the football the club is going to commit to. Amorim with some license needs to fit within that and gradually the squad will reflect this. But the players we sign should be provided by Ashworth et al, and the best Amorim should hope for is choose which ones he wants from a selection he's
provided.

Van Gaal and Mourhino both bought players they wanted.
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Not to the insane extent that Ten Hag received

There of course should be some strategy from the top down as to what players are brought in but if Amorim walks into United this week, looks at his squad and feels - for example - that Gyokeres is much much better than what he’s inherited and a deal can be done then it has to be done. Not some situation where 10 data people sit in a room for 100 days analysing 1000 strikers from around the world and give the manager a list of 50 names to partially choose from. Sometimes the simplest solution is the simplest solution.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
Van Gaal and Mourhino both bought players they wanted.
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Not to the insane extent that Ten Hag received

There of course should be some strategy from the top down as to what players are brought in but if Amorim walks into United this week, looks at his squad and feels - for example - that Gyokeres is much much better than what he’s inherited and a deal can be done then it has to be done. Not some situation where 10 data people sit in a room for 100 days analysing 1000 strikers from around the world and give the manager a list of 50 names to partially choose from. Sometimes the simplest solution is the simplest solution.
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Yeh but most of the time the simplest solution is a recipe for disaster

I'd class many of Mourhino's signings as equally insane tbh, but insane or not, there's no doubt we have/had a disjointed squad of players because they were bought to suit a particular manager, who was then sacked, replaced with a new guy who couldn't work with what he had so he brought in players, then was sacked, and round and round we went. The ironly being that with each cycle of players/managers we made the situation worse for the next guy.

Just out of interest, who do you think brought Gyokeres to Sporting? I doubt it was Amorim. Sporting I'm sure work to the same system as most clubs in the modern game. He would've been given the player he has, with probably a selection to choose from for the position identified. He is more than used to working within that framework so I wouldn't underestimate his ability to do so at United either.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Elvis, you used all these stats when it came to you arguing we shouldn’t sign Toney. Here we are with 8 goals in 9 games. We should certainly have more striking choices than a hit and miss player in Hojlund and a useless player in Zirkhorst who can’t cope with the pace of English football.

Gyokeres is on fire - not just in the Portuguese league but for his national team and in the CL.
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Well Hojlunds stats haven't suddenly changed because you've got a new crush. Pointless spending a boat load of money on a new no.9 when we aren't creating chances for the one we have. Let's sort the team out and try and get some kind of cohesive style first. If Hojlund isn't up to the job then by all means look at other options. But at the moment everything suggests he can be a very useful striker.

And whilst Gyokeres is flying at Sporting, he still hasn't scored many goals at a top league level. Same as Toney. Big risk splashing 60m on someone that hasn't really done it at the level required. A couple of goals against Lille and Sturm Graz doesn't alter that.

Pointless spending a boat load of money on a new no.9 when we aren't creating chances for the one we have

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That’s the bogus claim you made a few months ago when you said we shouldn’t sign Toney but we’ve seen this season we’re actually creating a shiiitload of chances but our strikers can’t convert. It’s time we brought a striker in who can convert. Whether that’s Gyorekes or not, the strikers we have aren’t good enough yet.

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pointless spending a boat load of money on a new no.9 when we aren't creating chances for the one we have

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That’s the bogus claim you made a few months ago when you said we shouldn’t sign Toney but we’ve seen this season we’re actually creating a shiiitload of chances but our strikers can’t convert. It’s time we brought a striker in who can convert. Whether that’s Gyorekes or not, the strikers we have aren’t good enough yet.
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I'm discussing Hojlund specifically, not Zirkzee. Hojlund has been injured so not had loads of chances

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pointless spending a boat load of money on a new no.9 when we aren't creating chances for the one we have

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That’s the bogus claim you made a few months ago when you said we shouldn’t sign Toney but we’ve seen this season we’re actually creating a shiiitload of chances but our strikers can’t convert. It’s time we brought a striker in who can convert. Whether that’s Gyorekes or not, the strikers we have aren’t good enough yet.
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I'm discussing Hojlund specifically, not Zirkzee. Hojlund has been injured so not had loads of chances

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Don't worry there's no doubt Amorim will have Mount, Casemiro, Antony and Rashford blowtorching City like this very soon...

https://x.com/_Utdbaki/status/1851093822194811349

Interesting they couldn't finish their chances either. It's like he's made for us lol

comment by Playmaker (U22780)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
Pointless spending a boat load of money on a new no.9 when we aren't creating chances for the one we have

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That’s the bogus claim you made a few months ago when you said we shouldn’t sign Toney but we’ve seen this season we’re actually creating a shiiitload of chances but our strikers can’t convert. It’s time we brought a striker in who can convert. Whether that’s Gyorekes or not, the strikers we have aren’t good enough yet.
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I'm discussing Hojlund specifically, not Zirkzee. Hojlund has been injured so not had loads of chances

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Don't worry there's no doubt Amorim will have Mount, Casemiro, Antony and Rashford blowtorching City like this very soon...

https://x.com/_Utdbaki/status/1851093822194811349

Interesting they couldn't finish their chances either. It's like he's made for us lol
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They didn't really have any chances to finish in that video. Didn't see a clear cut one. They play some nice stuff though. Good movement across the pitch.