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posted on 7/4/12

Disagree. Grammar also poor in places.

All in all 3/5 stars. Good effort.

posted on 7/4/12

You saw the second half and would still pick Kevin Davies?

Pretty clear Coyle took Ngog and Ryo off at half time with the game at the Sports Direct Arena in mind.

posted on 7/4/12

I honestly couldn't care if my grammer is poor. I'm not an English teacher or sad enough to care on an internet forum.

posted on 7/4/12

You saw the second half and would still pick Kevin Davies?
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No, me link was terrible so I switched to Radio. Commentators singing his praises saying he won everything. I'm guessing not so which is disappointing. Ryo on right Sordell up front then.

posted on 7/4/12

Oh he wasn't terrible, he won a few headers, but he wasn't great either. He's fourth choice at the moment IMO.

posted on 7/4/12

I think the refusal to give sordell a chance is costing us. Coyle will happily play a kid from arsenal every game but sordell? We have no goal threat and pratley is up there with shittu etc as the worst PL players we have had.

posted on 7/4/12

I think the refusal to give sordell a chance is costing us. Coyle will happily play a kid from arsenal every game but sordell?

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If Coyle believes that Sordell is not good enough to play yet, then I don't think he will make the difference you think he will.

comment by Mr. T (U3286)

posted on 7/4/12

Well that's got to be the last game Alonso plays this season. To be schooled so badly by Damien Duff is frankly terrifying. CBs didn't do anything massively wrong today so wouldn't change that so my defence would be as you've suggested Woody. The centre was where we lost it today as we have 2 very fatigued players in Davies and Reo-Coker and an injured Pratley. Problem is though we've got noone else in the senior squad to play there (scarily reminiscent of last season - where are Elmander and Gardner when you need them?). Would probably therefore go for the same middle 3 as you. I disagree on the wings and up front though. I want to give Sordell a chance as well but he was bought to score goals so let's put him up front. I'm not buying into this "Miyaichi is tired" thing because 30 seconds before half time he sprinted from the half way line to close down Mark Schwarzer, that's not a sign of a tired man, so I'd have him on the right and Petrov on the left. I was pleasantly surprised by SKD today but we change our style far too much with him on the pitch so I would leave him out. And I would tell N'Gog to go on his holidays early coz the guy couldn't control the ball or shoot today and when you're up front on your own that is simply laughable.

posted on 7/4/12

Mr T, I couldn't disagree more.

Firstly, Alonso had a poor game, but Damien Duff is an absolutely cracking winger. Alonso also looked injured form 20 minutes in.

I think NRC and Mavies were ok today, our biggest downfall was not moving the ball quickly enough - which has always been they way NRC plays. He just doesn't get it and go forward.

N'Gog was good again for me. What more can you ask of someone who has to play up front on his own?

The scary thing is that Fulham sat back and let us come at them, yet we couldn't create one single chance.

posted on 7/4/12

Mr T, Coyle has said in the BN this week that Ryo is tired. That's also why he came off at Wolves. That's evidence enough for me.

comment by Mr. T (U3286)

posted on 7/4/12

N'Gog was good??? Please name one positive thing he did for us today as all I saw was numerous heavy touches and 2 shots that both rolled to Schwarzer. What more could I ask of someone playing up front on their own? Have you heard of that player Pappiss Cisse? You know the one playing for Newcastle and currently the in form striker in the league and scored 8 in his last 8? Yeah, he plays up front on his own...

If Alonso was injured on 20 then he should have been brought off, simple as. Be that Coyle's or Alonso's fault it is simply common sense and he shouldn't be in the team again after that performance when we have a better player who has more of the needed graft in Steinsson on the bench.

And you say NRC and Davies were ok today but then go on to say we didn't move the ball quick enough and didn't create enough chances. How does that make sense??

And even if he is tired largehat, he still looks like the brightest spark in our team

posted on 7/4/12

Im pretty sure that Cisse plays up front with that Striker whose scored 16 goals this season.....yeah Ba i think it is, pretty sure Newcastle play 442 with Ba and Cisse linking up together...

posted on 7/4/12

Alonso is quite classy on the ball, what about him instead of Pratley as CM in a 4-5-1?

comment by Mr. T (U3286)

posted on 7/4/12

You may be pretty sure HH, but you're still wrong. They play a 4-3-3 sort of formation with Ben Arfa on the right and Ba has had to give way to Cisse and play on the left wing. Hence why there was a big debate on sky yesterday after the game saying that Ba was showing signs of not being too happy about being played on the wing after scoring so many goals before Christmas.

posted on 7/4/12

Mr T. They play for Newcastle, who are much better than Bolton.

Nuff said.

NRC were good but didn't create enough chances. How DOESN'T that make sense?

One positive thing about N'Gog? His turn and pace to beat Hangeland and force a good covering tackle from Riise - our best chance.

posted on 7/4/12

Doesnt matter who we play, we've not got enough attacking fluidity in the team due to the fact the fans wanted a defensive 451.

Contributions:
Eagles 22 starts 3 goals 7 assists
Petrov 23 starts 2 goals 6 assists ( 2 since October)
Davies 23 starts 3 goals 1 assist
Reo Coker 30 starts 3 goals 0 assists
Pratley 11 starts 1 goal 0 assists
Miyachi 6 games 0 goals 2 assists
Muamba 16 starts 1 goal 2 assists

Where are the assists going to come from? No-one is playing defence spltting balls, no one is looking to play forward, its the same routine, pass out wide and cross in. Eagles has been slated by every man and his dog yet hes the most likely player to make something happen as hes the only one who even tries playing it forward, think of Reo Coker goal against Liverpool and Cahill against Everton, when else has anyone tried to get us in behind through the middle?

posted on 7/4/12

As TRR said, Ngog played himself through today, but again, Ngog has been left to try and carve out and create chances out of nothing all season!

Arsenal he created chances out of nothing, QPR he did, and twice today he did. Got no support and left to do everything by himself, the fact hes got so few goals is due to having his back to goal constantly because of the defensive 451 that fans demanded.

comment by Mr. T (U3286)

posted on 7/4/12

It doesn't matter who he plays for, 1) that's not the question you asked and 2) lone strikers play a role that isn't aided by their team mates a lot of the time. I could use other examples if you like? Yakubu? Jelavic? Graham? All playing that role a damn site better than N'Gog is.

And it doesn't make sense because you said they were good and then went on to say they didn't do either of the things they are supposed to do well enough. So how exactly were they good then?

posted on 7/4/12

Trying to be fair here .. Ngog is a very clever player for a one-up-front target man, he is not a Davies/Holt/Carroll battering ram type of player - he makes clever runs that confuse defenders, pulls centre backs out of position, plays little balls to places where he expects his team mates to have installed themselves if they are sharp enough to be his wave length, I can appreciate all of that, but it just isn't enough - the one thing he doesn't have is deadly threat near the goal. If we were allowed 12 a side there would be a job for him. Just slightly below the skill set required for the PL I think

Along with half the squad.

posted on 7/4/12

Teams struggle to score goals in a 451 unless you have attacking players getting forward making runs themselves. Which we dont.

posted on 7/4/12

If they had done 'everything that they are supposed to', I would've described their performance as brilliant or perfect. Suggesting they were only 'good' means a good performance, but there are areas which can be improved.

Fair point about the respective teams of loan strikers, but I bet Graham, Jelavic and Yakubu wouldn't look very good on their own for Bolton. It's the way we play. As HH often says, there isn't really any creativity for N'Gog from central areas.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to keep every fan happy. Some will want KD to play, some want Sordell, some want Klasnic and some want N'Gog.

comment by Mr. T (U3286)

posted on 7/4/12

Don't get me wrong I'm not blaming the whole team performance today or any other day in the past on him. No one covered theirselves in glory today but the difference with the other players is that I can see what they offer our team over others in their position. Klasnic is far too lazy to be a lone striker, great finisher but not a lone striker. Davies changes everyone else too much for my liking so that just leaves Sordell and I see the Newcastle game as sort of a "why not?" game

posted on 7/4/12

Ngog is actually a good finisher,

only have to think about the quality of some of his goals he scored for Liverpool, there was also one brilliant one he scored for PSG, a sweet volley.

Not to mention the 3 goals hes scored for us have come from nowhere, quick feet and a sweet finish. Keep the ball central and on the floor and get it to Ngog and he will score. If no-one remembers his goals over past few years, youtube em and have a look because hes got ability, its just we are not playing a system and we dont have the players to get our striker goals.

Hes managed 5 assists since joining with his back to goal, but he would have alot more goals if we played to suit him and kept it central. We need someone who isnt afraid like Mavies to pass forward.

posted on 7/4/12

I don't know much about Sordell to be honest. I just don't think he will be a lone striker. I could be wrong.

I would like to see him get a game instead of KD though.

posted on 7/4/12

Sordell is a very similar player to Ngog, he can also play the lone role well like Ngog has for us, hes played it a few times for the U21's.

I think we would be forced to play central with those two and with their pace i think they would be a good partnership

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