@wow
2011 Rafa made 4 clay masters finals and winning one.
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Minor correction. 3 clay masters finals. There are only 3 clay masters not 4.
Wow, I was trying to remember whether you were a Murray or Fed fan.
I think I've got the idea after reading this article
wow might be a Murray fan too, but honestly there isn't much to write about Murray these days except for one person who is known as hawkeye. He would certainly find something or the other to write about Murray in any situation.
Fed is the first choice and then Murray. Murray will have a good 2012. Not to forget that there are still 3 slams left.
Rolta, I mistook Miami as a clay too. Aplogies..
@ wow
Rolta, I mistook Miami as a clay too. Aplogies..
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No problems. Miami is indeed slow clay disguised as a hard court. wolf in a sheep's skin. I remember some players calling Miami the blue clay. Though the actual real blue clay of Madrid is very different.
@wow
Murray will have a good 2012.
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Any reasons to believe this? Have you seen anything that I haven't?
If this is a Murray fan's hope, then its fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Not to forget that there are still 3 slams left.
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Which one(s) do you think he will win out of the 3?
I am still unsure about Nadal's future. He seems able to turn it on still when it matters, especially for FO. Can Nole do the same? He has been erratic recently.
I see the top three remain close to each other for a while.
I wouldn't write off Nadal yet. That said, after years of enjoying the skills of Federer I did write him off a short time ago, and yet here he is playing in yet another final and this one should be a cracker. Berdych has the best chance of "the others" to be great and today is going to be a massive day for him. Good luck to the lad.
I see the top three remain close to each other for a while.
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I see the top 10 remain close to each other soon. We had a pack of 4 players ahead of teh rest cause 3 had amazing fitness and one was a one-in-a-century genius. But when teh generation of powerful guns like Delpo, Rao and mature Berdych will start to pulll the trigger past those fitness players, it's going to be very hard to dominate.
Raoni however, out of the pack, seems to have the potential of a "dominator".
I can't see Nadal regaining his top 2 spot after RG. He is going to be slipping down. That I am pretty sure.
To be fair Tenez, you say that everytime.
You said that in 2010, where he was seeded number 4 in March.
Fed is as fit as any of them
WOW
How are you? How's India? Or do you live in London like me, I can't remember.
Fed is as fit as any of them
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No he is not. Please understand that once and for all. Federer is extremely fit but as GP puts it, he is not "inhumanly" fit!
The energy needed to hit a double HBH is about twice the one required for SBH. It require an extra step or so, twist the whole body and much stronger abdominal belt. Look at Nadal and Djoko and Murray's abs and look at Fed's. Not close. Then multiply the number of DHBH those guys play in a match. Add the energy Nadal puts on every single FH as well, and see them running for 5 hours after 5 hours matches and you will find it very hard to show a case where Fed has exposed as much energy for so long.
Fed has a relatively very poor 5 setter record for someone of his talent and mental strength.
Look at Fed's pecs and look at Nole's ones. Then move on to calves.
It's not the lack of fitness that is stuffing Fed it's his SBH. And the lack if gut to use it more as approach shot ie rush the net
hmm Is it important how fit these players are? If a guy is extremely fit are we going to hold that against him?
Feds loses these five set matches because he is in a tough match. If anyone gets to 2 sets all against him then they are playing at his level and often even better?
Is Nadal doing something wrong because he is superfit and strong?
We don't like the contrast in our top players?
In shotr, if I had Fed's talent fitness and game, I'd be a lot gutsier than him.
A bir like he used to be in 2005 and more
Look at Fed's pecs and look at Nole's ones. Then move on to calves.
It's not the lack of fitness that is stuffing Fed it's his SBH. And the lack if gut to use it more as approach shot ie rush the net
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The pecs have little to do with fitness and tennis. I have some as well and I am not fit. If pecs were related to tennis, then Fed would have one bigger than the other. His pecs are due to his stature upright and yes he is fit and healthy. A great athlete actually.
With his game which was considerably affected by slow surfaces, he has shown more guts than any player out there.
He has teh best TB records of all times cause he is a gutsy and mentally string player. His collapse are always physique against Djoko and Nadal. He is teh one starting strongest all the time. Its Djoko and Nadal who rely on his fatigue to finally impose their game.
I used to think Fed wasn't string mentally. He is actually one of the strongest player and in my view certainly stronger than Nadal and Djoko.
In shotr, if I had Fed's talent fitness and game, I'd be a lot gutsier than him.
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Look at that USO11. who cracked first in that 1st set TB? Who cracked first in that 2 set? Who cracked first in that 5th set throwing a horrible service game including a couple of double faults.
I coudl say the same about that FO semi!
Do you call that gutsy? Honestly.
In fact I actually suspect Nole could have tanked versus Tsip 2 days ago cause he did not want to face Fed on that surface.
Fed is as fit as any of them
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'Fit' is a very general term. Federer is fit, very fit but his fitness is more towards him playing his shots well, staying injury free and and playing, playing an economic low energy expending game. He is not a marathon man iron man.
Nadal, Djo and Murray are fit but they have super human levels of stamina. Its shocking to see them and how often we hear commentators talk about it. They can keep grinding and running for hours and hours, days after days and yet won't show any sign of cramping . Its unbelievable. I see Nadal, a teenager with so much power and stamina, its looks almost impossible to believe how can a young man keep going like that for hours especially when his tennis is so much taxing on the body. Well lets not go to how...its a different topic.
Nadal, Djo and Murray can win matches just on their sheer supreme stamina to outlast players. I can give scores of examples when these 3 won just because their opponent ran out of gas and they could go on and on.
Can Fed do that these 3 do?? Not a chance. If he could he certainly would have tried in even one of those RG final losses to Nadal. Why did he still chose to play his own risky game?
All players are fit, but that doesn't mean all can play marathon lung busting tennis days in and out. Only some can.
Can Fed do that these 3 do?? Not a chance. If he could he certainly would have tried in even one of those RG final losses to Nadal. Why did he still chose to play his own risky game?
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Exactly.
It's like saying all top players are talented. Certainly but some much more than others.
Ok - I am off to play a few sets now. talk to you for the final!
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posted on 13/5/12
posted on 13/5/12
@wow
2011 Rafa made 4 clay masters finals and winning one.
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Minor correction. 3 clay masters finals. There are only 3 clay masters not 4.
posted on 13/5/12
Wow, I was trying to remember whether you were a Murray or Fed fan.
I think I've got the idea after reading this article
posted on 13/5/12
wow might be a Murray fan too, but honestly there isn't much to write about Murray these days except for one person who is known as hawkeye. He would certainly find something or the other to write about Murray in any situation.
posted on 13/5/12
Fed is the first choice and then Murray. Murray will have a good 2012. Not to forget that there are still 3 slams left.
posted on 13/5/12
Rolta, I mistook Miami as a clay too. Aplogies..
posted on 13/5/12
@ wow
Rolta, I mistook Miami as a clay too. Aplogies..
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No problems. Miami is indeed slow clay disguised as a hard court. wolf in a sheep's skin. I remember some players calling Miami the blue clay. Though the actual real blue clay of Madrid is very different.
posted on 13/5/12
@wow
Murray will have a good 2012.
-------------------------------------------------
Any reasons to believe this? Have you seen anything that I haven't?
If this is a Murray fan's hope, then its fine. Nothing wrong with that.
Not to forget that there are still 3 slams left.
------------------------------------------------------------
Which one(s) do you think he will win out of the 3?
posted on 13/5/12
I am still unsure about Nadal's future. He seems able to turn it on still when it matters, especially for FO. Can Nole do the same? He has been erratic recently.
posted on 13/5/12
I see the top three remain close to each other for a while.
posted on 13/5/12
I wouldn't write off Nadal yet. That said, after years of enjoying the skills of Federer I did write him off a short time ago, and yet here he is playing in yet another final and this one should be a cracker. Berdych has the best chance of "the others" to be great and today is going to be a massive day for him. Good luck to the lad.
posted on 13/5/12
I see the top three remain close to each other for a while.
----------------------------------
I see the top 10 remain close to each other soon. We had a pack of 4 players ahead of teh rest cause 3 had amazing fitness and one was a one-in-a-century genius. But when teh generation of powerful guns like Delpo, Rao and mature Berdych will start to pulll the trigger past those fitness players, it's going to be very hard to dominate.
Raoni however, out of the pack, seems to have the potential of a "dominator".
posted on 13/5/12
I can't see Nadal regaining his top 2 spot after RG. He is going to be slipping down. That I am pretty sure.
posted on 13/5/12
To be fair Tenez, you say that everytime.
You said that in 2010, where he was seeded number 4 in March.
posted on 13/5/12
Fed is as fit as any of them
posted on 13/5/12
WOW
How are you? How's India? Or do you live in London like me, I can't remember.
posted on 13/5/12
Fed is as fit as any of them
---------------------------
No he is not. Please understand that once and for all. Federer is extremely fit but as GP puts it, he is not "inhumanly" fit!
The energy needed to hit a double HBH is about twice the one required for SBH. It require an extra step or so, twist the whole body and much stronger abdominal belt. Look at Nadal and Djoko and Murray's abs and look at Fed's. Not close. Then multiply the number of DHBH those guys play in a match. Add the energy Nadal puts on every single FH as well, and see them running for 5 hours after 5 hours matches and you will find it very hard to show a case where Fed has exposed as much energy for so long.
Fed has a relatively very poor 5 setter record for someone of his talent and mental strength.
posted on 13/5/12
Look at Fed's pecs and look at Nole's ones. Then move on to calves.
It's not the lack of fitness that is stuffing Fed it's his SBH. And the lack if gut to use it more as approach shot ie rush the net
posted on 13/5/12
hmm Is it important how fit these players are? If a guy is extremely fit are we going to hold that against him?
Feds loses these five set matches because he is in a tough match. If anyone gets to 2 sets all against him then they are playing at his level and often even better?
Is Nadal doing something wrong because he is superfit and strong?
We don't like the contrast in our top players?
posted on 13/5/12
In shotr, if I had Fed's talent fitness and game, I'd be a lot gutsier than him.
A bir like he used to be in 2005 and more
posted on 13/5/12
Look at Fed's pecs and look at Nole's ones. Then move on to calves.
It's not the lack of fitness that is stuffing Fed it's his SBH. And the lack if gut to use it more as approach shot ie rush the net
------------------------
The pecs have little to do with fitness and tennis. I have some as well and I am not fit. If pecs were related to tennis, then Fed would have one bigger than the other. His pecs are due to his stature upright and yes he is fit and healthy. A great athlete actually.
With his game which was considerably affected by slow surfaces, he has shown more guts than any player out there.
He has teh best TB records of all times cause he is a gutsy and mentally string player. His collapse are always physique against Djoko and Nadal. He is teh one starting strongest all the time. Its Djoko and Nadal who rely on his fatigue to finally impose their game.
I used to think Fed wasn't string mentally. He is actually one of the strongest player and in my view certainly stronger than Nadal and Djoko.
posted on 13/5/12
Ok Ten must go now
posted on 13/5/12
In shotr, if I had Fed's talent fitness and game, I'd be a lot gutsier than him.
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Look at that USO11. who cracked first in that 1st set TB? Who cracked first in that 2 set? Who cracked first in that 5th set throwing a horrible service game including a couple of double faults.
I coudl say the same about that FO semi!
Do you call that gutsy? Honestly.
In fact I actually suspect Nole could have tanked versus Tsip 2 days ago cause he did not want to face Fed on that surface.
posted on 13/5/12
Fed is as fit as any of them
-----------------------------------------
'Fit' is a very general term. Federer is fit, very fit but his fitness is more towards him playing his shots well, staying injury free and and playing, playing an economic low energy expending game. He is not a marathon man iron man.
Nadal, Djo and Murray are fit but they have super human levels of stamina. Its shocking to see them and how often we hear commentators talk about it. They can keep grinding and running for hours and hours, days after days and yet won't show any sign of cramping . Its unbelievable. I see Nadal, a teenager with so much power and stamina, its looks almost impossible to believe how can a young man keep going like that for hours especially when his tennis is so much taxing on the body. Well lets not go to how...its a different topic.
Nadal, Djo and Murray can win matches just on their sheer supreme stamina to outlast players. I can give scores of examples when these 3 won just because their opponent ran out of gas and they could go on and on.
Can Fed do that these 3 do?? Not a chance. If he could he certainly would have tried in even one of those RG final losses to Nadal. Why did he still chose to play his own risky game?
All players are fit, but that doesn't mean all can play marathon lung busting tennis days in and out. Only some can.
posted on 13/5/12
Can Fed do that these 3 do?? Not a chance. If he could he certainly would have tried in even one of those RG final losses to Nadal. Why did he still chose to play his own risky game?
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Exactly.
It's like saying all top players are talented. Certainly but some much more than others.
Ok - I am off to play a few sets now. talk to you for the final!
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