there was around sixty five people at your last parade by the looks of it;
http://www.manutd24.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Chelsea-trophy-parade.jpg

Wrong. Ive counted over a hundred there and thats not including the police.

you are aware that people from further than just the city of manchester itself attended the 99 homecoming?

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The point being made has clearly gone right over your head. How the hell did a seven mile area cope with 1 million people (double the population of Manchester) in the space of a few hours? You know what the capacity of Deansgate is? It's written in the link I provided. The end-to-end capacity of Deansgate is 74,000. Deansgate is over 1 mile in length. The parade took in a total of seven miles. Well you do the math. The figure (even if we include the 50,000 inside the men, and of course the capacity of Old Trafford itself (and that's assuming that not a single person inside the men or OT attended on the street), the figure doesn't get anywhere close to 1 million.

And how did 1 million people get there? Even if we assume that every single person living in Manchester attended (which is of course ridiculous), we still have to account for a further 500,000 people coming from outside the city itself. You know how many people travel by train, bus, and metrolink every day in the Greater Manchester area? Around 150,000. That's a day, not a few hours. And that's over the entire Greater Manchester area, not an area that sees all of them traveling to a small part of Manchester covering a 7 mile stretch.

Seriously, think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-KoqdeJK0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And the truth Ole
It was called the embarrassment in Manchester as you know and you have the audacity to slag off other clubs and claim half the world were there in 99?

and also includes 50,000 who were inside the m.e.n for the civic reception

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50,000 people inside the m.e.n? The capacity of the m.e.n. is 21,000.

PaulPowers

That's less people than the Chelsea parade

50,000 people inside the m.e.n? The capacity of the m.e.n. is 21,000.
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Oh dear Ole you really need to stop lying.

The parade last year was a let down, but someone made the point earlier that United and their supporters have endured success continued success for 21 years and it grows on you so that was probably the sort of mentality some fans had last year that didn't want to turn up. City had just won their first trophy in 35 years so obviously they got more fans cheering them on. It's still a pathetic excuse, your team is parading a trophy you should be out there cheering but success breeds arrogance. However, I thought City had less of a crowd today than last year no way did 100k people turn up to that parade today. 30k looked a good estimate

Arab - BBC have said 100,000 people lined the streets today. How on earth are you working out 30k?

the capacity of the m.e.n is 21,000 seated, that does not include the standing area, though admittedly 50,000 would be incorrect, and on closer inspection it would appear that was the number around old trafford. you're also incorrect about deansgate, well, partly. the end-to-end capacity is estimated at 74,000, WITH crash barriers. now, i can only assume you haven't seen any footage of the 99 homecoming but the crowd was far too large for any crash barriers to be put in place. the crowd also spilled well beyond deansgate and the cathedral as seen here;
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5063/5764648882_4b306d93d5_z.jpg
a million was one of the estimates at the time. i've done a bit more research and a similar figure was actually quoted for liverpool's return from istanbul in 2005. liverpool and merseyside have a similar population to manchester and greater manchester, so i think i'll take the estimates from reputable sources than your sketchy numbers.

I know they did, but that did not look like 100k out there Mr C. 30-50k looked the right amount.

not a chance was there anywhere near 100,000 there today. for one thing there were crash barriers up all along the route, which means the crowd can only have been three deep at most, stands to reason as they can all only stand on the pavement. furthermore you could clearly see people walking along after the bus, this is not possible at parades which attract over a hundred thousand.

finally, and most importantly, city's parade consisted of just the city centre, not even two miles. this makes it appear that numbers have been swelled when in actual fact it is simply the same people following the bus. last year united went from the m.e.n to old trafford and as a result this saw some areas less populated than others. had city left manchester tonight the same would have happened.

albert square in 68;
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmuaweN9Wd1qhj03po1_500.jpg

he capacity of the m.e.n is 21,000 seated, that does not include the standing area

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"The maximum capacity of the MEN Arena is 21,000"

http://www.visitnorthwest.com/manchester/arena.htm

Keep digging.

Ole: "a million was one of the estimates at the time."

And another estimate was 200,000. I know which one is more realistic from a purely logistical perspective.

So once again, I ask you - how did 1 million people all manage to get to a 7 mile stretch in Manchester? London's entire travel network has been expanded in order to try and cope with an estimated 350,000 extra people per day for the Olympics. You think Manchester could cope with 3 times that amount descending onto such a small area in the space a few hours? Or to put it another way, potentially 6-7 times the amount that the whole travel network of the entire Greater Manchester area copes with in one day?

It just doesn't stack up Ole. 1 million people? Not a chance.

so the bbc were wrong? and they were also wrong when they estimated a similar figure for liverpool's parade in 2005? from looking on the internet i've found three different estimates from liverpool's parade and four from united's. perhaps the most accurate would be somewhere in the middle, which would still be well in excess of half a million.

the telegraph, another reputable source state "almost one million" here,http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/8515333/Manchester-City-and-Manchester-United-will-both-make-open-top-bus-parades-after-their-Cup-and-league-successes.html
i think they may be more in the know than one as bitter as yourself to be honest.

so the bbc were wrong?

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This is also from the BBC

"Back in 1999, tens of thousands of fans lined the streets of Manchester to cheer United's treble-winning team home after their heart-stopping win in Barcelona."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/articles/2008/05/22/220508_united_parade_feature.shtml

You tell me whether the bbc can get it wrong or not...

the same paper and the mail have said of city's turnout last night, and i quote, "12,000 at the official victory parade (in albert square), UP TO 50,000 on the streets". not bad, but considering the achievement not great either. you could have just rented out the nort stand at old trafford...

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2015/5764653068_6a0454b90d_z.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3023/5764080123_b069c488e5_z.jpg

look at those pictures. and like i said, that's just deansgate...the sheer scale of that parade was one of the main reasons why the council were wary of granting us another one, such were the health and safety risks. they grant city one at hardly any notice. what does that tell you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/4582069.stm

if liverpool can cope with that number of people, then surely manchester, a bigger city can?

i think they may be more in the know than one as bitter as yourself to be honest.

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Good one.
We know one thing - numerous estimates for United's parade have been quoted. They all can't be correct. In all probability none of them are. Hence why they are estimates. The question is however, which estimate is the more realistic?

And 1 million people is certainly not realistic. At least, not from a logistical perspective. Think about it. Double the entire population of Manchester all crammed into a seven mile stretch of road? Including 50,000 (sic) people inside a 21,000 capacity arena?

Let's not be silly now.

"look at those pictures. and like i said, that's just deansgate."

Yeah, they're impressive. Tell you what - count em. Then get back to me.

"the sheer scale of that parade was one of the main reasons why the council were wary of granting us another one"

Quote: "Manchester and Trafford councils, who were involved in talks with police, have said they would support a parade.
Writing on his blog, the leader of Manchester City Council Richard Leese said they had made it clear that it was a decision for Manchester United and Greater Manchester Police. He said: "If Manchester United wants a parade, then we are quite happy to do our bit.
"We will do whatever we need to do.""

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7414342.stm)

The council doesn't seem wary to me.

i've already apologised for that, 50,000 actually surrounded old trafford. given 76,000 now fill the area fortnightly i reckon that's feasible. the facts are united flled manchester in 1999 in a way which will never be seen again. ever. tonight was supposed to be city's equivalent and they barely scraped a sixth? of the crowd? despite the fact that everyone living in the city supports them? and they finished the night piecing together their shattered reputation and grovelling to the most successful manager in football. says it all. good night.

if liverpool can cope with that number of people, then surely manchester, a bigger city can?

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Another BBC article estimates 300k gathered around St George's Hall.

300k? That's 4 times the amount of people who were in Wembley Stadium in 1985 for Live Aid

http://orangemercury.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/rocks-iconic-live-performance-freddie.html

tonight was supposed to be city's equivalent and they barely scraped a sixth?

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City's equivalent? What, of United's treble in 1999? The blue moon may be rising, but we've some way to go before our success yesterday can be regarded as an equivalent to United's success in 1999.

And a sixth of what exactly Ole? You earlier quoted upto 50,000 on the streets for City's parade. If that's a sixth of United's parade in 1999, well in the space of a few posts you've just reduced your own understanding of the number of people who attended United's victory parade in 1999 by 700,000.