comment by gurdevlfc (U4004)
posted 22 seconds ago
OP, ignore the diks who will slate you for having an opinion that is not in line with theirs.
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Gurdev why did you refer to Rafa as El Gordo while he was manager?
Admin1 I'll leave this thread aloneeeee! Delete it also. Just thought it was out of order that a new person was so easily attacked/branded! But my humping comment didn't help either
As soon as you post something that challenges the views of some of the reds on here, & can then back it up with a structured argument - they label you a wum & then filter you. I think it must be a red gene, as other clubs fans don't seem to do it.
well if you pay £20m for a striker who needs Gareth Barry to get the best out of him i think that says it all
Kinda disagree arab. People are too quick to judge, who is to say this coming season kd wouldnt of made top 4?
So much has happened this season i still think it was a tad unfair not to give him another season; i know the league was poor but we are not as far away as the table suggests.
Rafa i have no doubt would be a success, he has won the big trophies and beats the big teams; i suspect top players would come to join as well......he is my choice to come back.
comment by 8bit('',) (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Being better than Hodgson isn't the hallmark of being successful. If you get sacked after 1 full season then it can't have worked.
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He was brought in to be better than Hodgson which is what he was.
And still got a trophy... Remember that trophyless 7
Peace maker
I do understand where you guys are coming from because I was castigated for wanting Kenny gone by people claiming I wasn't a real fan and bla bla bla.
We're pretty anxious about New accounts because I think were fed up of endless wumming!! Look at the LaL articles constanty popping up!!
He was brought in to be better than Hodgson which is what he was.
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obviously he was brought in to do better than Hodgson, otherwise they wouldn't have got rid of Roy. But if he got sacked after one full season then Kenny didn't perform to their expectations.
I agree with that 8 bit. And its about expectations now.
Kenny was used much like Franz Beckenbauer was used by Bayern in the 90s. To unify the club in times of crisis - to steady the ship and unite fans.
He's done that so he's been a brilliant success. His job was about more than just results - but now the demands have changed and we're in a position to progress so a new man is needed.
too high expectations in my opinion.
unless, and we don't know this for a fact yet, they give the new manager, whether he is experienced or one of the younger managers, time to build a team, which does sound like wont be the case. but like i said we don't know for sure its top 4 finish or sack is the minimum requirements straight away.
Kenny was used much like Franz Beckenbauer was used by Bayern in the 90s. To unify the club in times of crisis - to steady the ship and unite fans.
He's done that so he's been a brilliant success. His job was about more than just results - but now the demands have changed and we're in a position to progress so a new man is needed.
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fair enough that makes sense
Rafa in his early fifties has time on his side and a wealth of experience.
OP do you think we shouldnt have bought Rush back?
Also remember that hicks and Gillet who sacked Rafa were more businessmen than football men... And you saw how they ran a business !
Redinthe..,
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality. I'm really not optimistic about Rafa. If he does get the job I will wholeheartedly support, but think we should explore other ideas
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality
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Rush was a red herring, as the question was name a manager who'd done better in his 2nd spell.
Of course there are other options and the club does need to look at those to get a firm idea of credentials.
Rafas credentials are of a higher quality than Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup certainly. And in English football certainly better than AVB.
The question the board have to ask is whether Rafa can work with them.
8bit you know it's David dein that's been advising the owners of lfc right?
comment by Toblerone Boots (U4965)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality
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Rush was a red herring, as the question was name a manager who'd done better in his 2nd spell.
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No it wasn't a red herring... it was this "never go back" mantra I was dispelling.
Both rush then and Rafa now have a lot to offer.
Cheers
Really? I read that he was at one of the games and apparently was taking over from Comolli but nothing came of it. We miss him at Arsenal
No it wasn't a red herring... it was this "never go back" mantra I was dispelling.
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errmmmm - Rush was a player, players going back is a totally different scenario to a manager returning - as for one, players don't tend to be sacked
My question was name 1 manager who's returned to a club & been more successful in his second spell?
D deain and rafa at Liverpool would be the right move imo.
A wealth of experience and if you want top 4 then no one up for selection has rafas record.
Toblorone
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Thats a difficult one because its quite rare and generally when a manager goes back for a 2nd time its because the club is in trouble . Id argue kd was a success if you look where we were when he took over.
TB cheers for your input... so the never going back thing is only for managers?
You live and learn.. Ah well if Rafa comes in and it turns sour you can have a few I told you so's.
GB - KD was a relative success I suppose, but he still got the sack after 18 months & never touched the levels hs did 20 years prior.
I can't think of one returning manager who's gone back & done better 2nd time round, not one.
As a Blue I'd find Rafa's 2nd coming hilarious tbh, as I think he'd be a disaster for you in the medium term.
This appointment is a massive one for LFC & FSG imo, they've got to get it right & for me, Rafa is about as far 'wrong' as they could go here.
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posted on 19/5/12
comment by gurdevlfc (U4004)
posted 22 seconds ago
OP, ignore the diks who will slate you for having an opinion that is not in line with theirs.
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Gurdev why did you refer to Rafa as El Gordo while he was manager?
posted on 19/5/12
Admin1 I'll leave this thread aloneeeee! Delete it also. Just thought it was out of order that a new person was so easily attacked/branded! But my humping comment didn't help either
posted on 19/5/12
As soon as you post something that challenges the views of some of the reds on here, & can then back it up with a structured argument - they label you a wum & then filter you. I think it must be a red gene, as other clubs fans don't seem to do it.
posted on 19/5/12
well if you pay £20m for a striker who needs Gareth Barry to get the best out of him i think that says it all
posted on 19/5/12
Kinda disagree arab. People are too quick to judge, who is to say this coming season kd wouldnt of made top 4?
So much has happened this season i still think it was a tad unfair not to give him another season; i know the league was poor but we are not as far away as the table suggests.
Rafa i have no doubt would be a success, he has won the big trophies and beats the big teams; i suspect top players would come to join as well......he is my choice to come back.
posted on 19/5/12
comment by 8bit('',) (U2653)
posted 2 minutes ago
Being better than Hodgson isn't the hallmark of being successful. If you get sacked after 1 full season then it can't have worked.
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He was brought in to be better than Hodgson which is what he was.
And still got a trophy... Remember that trophyless 7
posted on 19/5/12
Peace maker
I do understand where you guys are coming from because I was castigated for wanting Kenny gone by people claiming I wasn't a real fan and bla bla bla.
We're pretty anxious about New accounts because I think were fed up of endless wumming!! Look at the LaL articles constanty popping up!!
posted on 19/5/12
He was brought in to be better than Hodgson which is what he was.
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obviously he was brought in to do better than Hodgson, otherwise they wouldn't have got rid of Roy. But if he got sacked after one full season then Kenny didn't perform to their expectations.
posted on 19/5/12
I agree with that 8 bit. And its about expectations now.
posted on 19/5/12
Kenny was used much like Franz Beckenbauer was used by Bayern in the 90s. To unify the club in times of crisis - to steady the ship and unite fans.
He's done that so he's been a brilliant success. His job was about more than just results - but now the demands have changed and we're in a position to progress so a new man is needed.
posted on 19/5/12
Fred,
are you for Rafa?
posted on 19/5/12
too high expectations in my opinion.
unless, and we don't know this for a fact yet, they give the new manager, whether he is experienced or one of the younger managers, time to build a team, which does sound like wont be the case. but like i said we don't know for sure its top 4 finish or sack is the minimum requirements straight away.
posted on 19/5/12
Kenny was used much like Franz Beckenbauer was used by Bayern in the 90s. To unify the club in times of crisis - to steady the ship and unite fans.
He's done that so he's been a brilliant success. His job was about more than just results - but now the demands have changed and we're in a position to progress so a new man is needed.
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fair enough that makes sense
posted on 19/5/12
Rafa in his early fifties has time on his side and a wealth of experience.
OP do you think we shouldnt have bought Rush back?
posted on 19/5/12
Also remember that hicks and Gillet who sacked Rafa were more businessmen than football men... And you saw how they ran a business !
posted on 19/5/12
Redinthe..,
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality. I'm really not optimistic about Rafa. If he does get the job I will wholeheartedly support, but think we should explore other ideas
posted on 19/5/12
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality
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Rush was a red herring, as the question was name a manager who'd done better in his 2nd spell.
posted on 19/5/12
Of course there are other options and the club does need to look at those to get a firm idea of credentials.
Rafas credentials are of a higher quality than Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup certainly. And in English football certainly better than AVB.
The question the board have to ask is whether Rafa can work with them.
8bit you know it's David dein that's been advising the owners of lfc right?
posted on 19/5/12
comment by Toblerone Boots (U4965)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think Rushie was a shrewd piece of business. But even he wasn't as prolific as his first spell, although still quality
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Rush was a red herring, as the question was name a manager who'd done better in his 2nd spell.
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No it wasn't a red herring... it was this "never go back" mantra I was dispelling.
Both rush then and Rafa now have a lot to offer.
Cheers
posted on 19/5/12
Really? I read that he was at one of the games and apparently was taking over from Comolli but nothing came of it. We miss him at Arsenal
posted on 19/5/12
No it wasn't a red herring... it was this "never go back" mantra I was dispelling.
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errmmmm - Rush was a player, players going back is a totally different scenario to a manager returning - as for one, players don't tend to be sacked
My question was name 1 manager who's returned to a club & been more successful in his second spell?
posted on 19/5/12
D deain and rafa at Liverpool would be the right move imo.
A wealth of experience and if you want top 4 then no one up for selection has rafas record.
posted on 19/5/12
Toblorone
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Thats a difficult one because its quite rare and generally when a manager goes back for a 2nd time its because the club is in trouble . Id argue kd was a success if you look where we were when he took over.
posted on 19/5/12
TB cheers for your input... so the never going back thing is only for managers?
You live and learn.. Ah well if Rafa comes in and it turns sour you can have a few I told you so's.
posted on 19/5/12
GB - KD was a relative success I suppose, but he still got the sack after 18 months & never touched the levels hs did 20 years prior.
I can't think of one returning manager who's gone back & done better 2nd time round, not one.
As a Blue I'd find Rafa's 2nd coming hilarious tbh, as I think he'd be a disaster for you in the medium term.
This appointment is a massive one for LFC & FSG imo, they've got to get it right & for me, Rafa is about as far 'wrong' as they could go here.
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