comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
insane, and we didn't work hard for 4th? Why should we miss out?
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My point is, why at Motherwells expense?
Bristol, That is assuming that
a) King or Gallas are still first teamers
b) We don't have injuries
c) We'd rather play some of the younger guys named above in 6 Europa matches rather than loan them out.
I think our accounts showed that we had increased our payroll and that it was unsustainable without CL football, so I would expect a lot of the fringe players to be cleared out.
insane, i was just using motherwell as an example as bubbles mentioned them so i was following on from his commnet. I kind of agree though that Scotland should only have 1 team in the CL considering the league consists of only 10 teams. That's a different subject altogether. I still feel we have been robbed.
I'm gutted the same as you Don but would hate to be given it in those circumstances.
Oh well, I'm 907 on the ST waiting list, perhaps last night might take me a lot closer!
Don
That's not true, at the time I could understand why Liverpool had the right to defend their trophy but felt aggrieved UEFA had only implemented the rule for them. In the end justice prevailed and all 5 teams got in
Don
To be fair I used to think the same with Chelsea re curse before Abramovich but there comes a time where you have to accept the faults and failings of your team
Bubbles, i bame spurs aswell and in my article i state this but you can't come and tell me that spurs are not unlucky? We are such an unlucky club it's unreal. Only us this could happen to.
Bristol_spur #18 Ich liebe dich
We could field a decent Europa squad without resorting to kids.
To be perfectly honest if Harry is not going to play strong teams and take the Europa League seriously, then I would sooner Spurs just pull out before a ball is kicked.
What is the point of going into any tournament without full commitment.
completely agree @ football stinks ( by the way what is you're old username? ......If we are going to play kids then please let us pull out of the tournament already. our reserves were truely atrocious in this seasons europa cup and i'm not watching that s hit again.
Don
Yes and no. At the beginning of the season the rules state the top 3 are guaranteed CL football, there is always that risk with 4th spot but I agree it is unlucky to have it snatched away from you
It's nothing to do with luck. If you hadn't given up a 13 point lead you wouldnt be in this situation would you.
"It's nothing to do with luck. If you hadn't given up a 13 point lead you wouldnt be in this situation would you"
Yes and what caused that mate? The whole Harry Redknapp england fiasco. It's to much of a coincidence that our team went downhill when all the media/ pundit rage went Harry crazy. It caused a huge disruption to our season and cost us 3rd. Yes we are to blame aswell but we were clearly affected by it, rotten bad luck.
I do have sympathy for Spurs, but the rule has been in place for a few years now. It rarely happens, after all a team good enough to win the Champions League is usually good enough to finish in one of the qualifying places in their domestic league. Doesn't make it any less painful for the team who misses out, granted, but it's always a possibility and one that Spurs knew could happen for quite some time now.
I don't think another team from another country should miss out because of this. That would be even harsher on them than it has been on Spurs.
Maybe if you stopped blaming everything on luck and got over it you wouldn't put everything down to 'same old bad luck'.
RipleysCat
I do have sympathy for Spurs, but the rule has been in place for a few years now. It rarely happens,
It has never happened before. The last time a team out fo the top four won the CL, the powers to be covneniently mvoed the goalposts to accommodate Liverpool. I doubt they would do the same for Spurs.
Mr tweedy, i'm sure you wouldn't be sitting here with that view if it was Arsenal who got 4th and you had you're CL place snatched away like this.
They only 'moved the goalposts' to accommodate Liverpool because it was the first time a team outside the top 4 won the CL I believe. So they were forced to act.
Don - I'd be gutted if we'd finished 4th and been knocked out now, and i do have sympathy for you guys don't get me wrong. But I wouldn't be blaming it on bad luck, the rule is there. I'd be blaming my own team for not being good enough to secure CL football outright by getting top 3.
MrTweedy ft. MrSong
Maybe if you stopped blaming everything on luck and got over it you wouldn't put everything down to 'same old bad luck'.
What else but luck got Chelsea over the line then.
1-0 down with 2 minutes to go, first corner, goal.
Extra time, penalty, a player who never misses, has penalty saved.
Bayern 2-0 up in penalty shootout, miss the next three penalties, one hitting the post, how often do pens hit the post, never.
Never in front in any game from the end of the semi first leg, until Drogba put the ball in the net from the last penalty of the final.
So 3 or 4 times Spurs had CL within their grasp, and you think we are not right to blame it on bad luck.
Sure harry was distracted but he did help himself in the matter he let the media circus happen by not commiting himself to spurs. In football you make your own luck
Scoring from your first corner is not luck, it's a team being good at corners. Bayern had more than 15 and didnt score any so again points to Chelsea being strong at corners.
Robben having his penalty saved may be seen as luck if Ceck guessed, but I'm willing to bet Cech had done his research and knew exactly where Robben was putting it. Robben isn't that clinical either btw, think of the WC final 2010, 1 on 1 with Casillas, saved.
Not luck if an opposing player its the post, it's poor finishing.
Doesnt matter if you're not infront if you get the ultimate win in the final. Again, it's not luck its the sign of a team who won't give up despite being behind or level.
Yes I think blaming it all on bad luck is clutching at straws. Should have got more points over 38 games and this wouldn't be an issue.
MrTweedy ft. MrSong
Spurs did get more points than Chelsea, so how do you work that out.
Chelsea are in, Spurs are out. Nothing to do with getting more points.
You can have our place...
Oh
Because you would have finished 3rd instead of 4th which everyone knows isn't a guarenteed CL place. Chelsea won and therefore are in to defend their trophy (which I dont agree with) which has cost 4th place their position. Knew the rules all season and let's be fair as soon as Chelsea beat Napoli the trophy had their name written all over it.
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posted on 20/5/12
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 minute ago
insane, and we didn't work hard for 4th? Why should we miss out?
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My point is, why at Motherwells expense?
posted on 20/5/12
Bristol, That is assuming that
a) King or Gallas are still first teamers
b) We don't have injuries
c) We'd rather play some of the younger guys named above in 6 Europa matches rather than loan them out.
I think our accounts showed that we had increased our payroll and that it was unsustainable without CL football, so I would expect a lot of the fringe players to be cleared out.
posted on 20/5/12
insane, i was just using motherwell as an example as bubbles mentioned them so i was following on from his commnet. I kind of agree though that Scotland should only have 1 team in the CL considering the league consists of only 10 teams. That's a different subject altogether. I still feel we have been robbed.
posted on 20/5/12
I'm gutted the same as you Don but would hate to be given it in those circumstances.
Oh well, I'm 907 on the ST waiting list, perhaps last night might take me a lot closer!
posted on 20/5/12
Don
That's not true, at the time I could understand why Liverpool had the right to defend their trophy but felt aggrieved UEFA had only implemented the rule for them. In the end justice prevailed and all 5 teams got in
posted on 20/5/12
Don
To be fair I used to think the same with Chelsea re curse before Abramovich but there comes a time where you have to accept the faults and failings of your team
posted on 20/5/12
Bubbles, i bame spurs aswell and in my article i state this but you can't come and tell me that spurs are not unlucky? We are such an unlucky club it's unreal. Only us this could happen to.
posted on 20/5/12
Bristol_spur #18 Ich liebe dich
We could field a decent Europa squad without resorting to kids.
To be perfectly honest if Harry is not going to play strong teams and take the Europa League seriously, then I would sooner Spurs just pull out before a ball is kicked.
What is the point of going into any tournament without full commitment.
posted on 20/5/12
completely agree @ football stinks ( by the way what is you're old username? ......If we are going to play kids then please let us pull out of the tournament already. our reserves were truely atrocious in this seasons europa cup and i'm not watching that s hit again.
posted on 20/5/12
Don
Yes and no. At the beginning of the season the rules state the top 3 are guaranteed CL football, there is always that risk with 4th spot but I agree it is unlucky to have it snatched away from you
posted on 20/5/12
It's nothing to do with luck. If you hadn't given up a 13 point lead you wouldnt be in this situation would you.
posted on 20/5/12
"It's nothing to do with luck. If you hadn't given up a 13 point lead you wouldnt be in this situation would you"
Yes and what caused that mate? The whole Harry Redknapp england fiasco. It's to much of a coincidence that our team went downhill when all the media/ pundit rage went Harry crazy. It caused a huge disruption to our season and cost us 3rd. Yes we are to blame aswell but we were clearly affected by it, rotten bad luck.
posted on 20/5/12
I do have sympathy for Spurs, but the rule has been in place for a few years now. It rarely happens, after all a team good enough to win the Champions League is usually good enough to finish in one of the qualifying places in their domestic league. Doesn't make it any less painful for the team who misses out, granted, but it's always a possibility and one that Spurs knew could happen for quite some time now.
I don't think another team from another country should miss out because of this. That would be even harsher on them than it has been on Spurs.
posted on 20/5/12
Maybe if you stopped blaming everything on luck and got over it you wouldn't put everything down to 'same old bad luck'.
posted on 20/5/12
RipleysCat
I do have sympathy for Spurs, but the rule has been in place for a few years now. It rarely happens,
It has never happened before. The last time a team out fo the top four won the CL, the powers to be covneniently mvoed the goalposts to accommodate Liverpool. I doubt they would do the same for Spurs.
posted on 20/5/12
Ripley
Fair point
posted on 20/5/12
Mr tweedy, i'm sure you wouldn't be sitting here with that view if it was Arsenal who got 4th and you had you're CL place snatched away like this.
posted on 20/5/12
They only 'moved the goalposts' to accommodate Liverpool because it was the first time a team outside the top 4 won the CL I believe. So they were forced to act.
posted on 20/5/12
Don - I'd be gutted if we'd finished 4th and been knocked out now, and i do have sympathy for you guys don't get me wrong. But I wouldn't be blaming it on bad luck, the rule is there. I'd be blaming my own team for not being good enough to secure CL football outright by getting top 3.
posted on 20/5/12
MrTweedy ft. MrSong
Maybe if you stopped blaming everything on luck and got over it you wouldn't put everything down to 'same old bad luck'.
What else but luck got Chelsea over the line then.
1-0 down with 2 minutes to go, first corner, goal.
Extra time, penalty, a player who never misses, has penalty saved.
Bayern 2-0 up in penalty shootout, miss the next three penalties, one hitting the post, how often do pens hit the post, never.
Never in front in any game from the end of the semi first leg, until Drogba put the ball in the net from the last penalty of the final.
So 3 or 4 times Spurs had CL within their grasp, and you think we are not right to blame it on bad luck.
posted on 20/5/12
Sure harry was distracted but he did help himself in the matter he let the media circus happen by not commiting himself to spurs. In football you make your own luck
posted on 20/5/12
Scoring from your first corner is not luck, it's a team being good at corners. Bayern had more than 15 and didnt score any so again points to Chelsea being strong at corners.
Robben having his penalty saved may be seen as luck if Ceck guessed, but I'm willing to bet Cech had done his research and knew exactly where Robben was putting it. Robben isn't that clinical either btw, think of the WC final 2010, 1 on 1 with Casillas, saved.
Not luck if an opposing player its the post, it's poor finishing.
Doesnt matter if you're not infront if you get the ultimate win in the final. Again, it's not luck its the sign of a team who won't give up despite being behind or level.
Yes I think blaming it all on bad luck is clutching at straws. Should have got more points over 38 games and this wouldn't be an issue.
posted on 20/5/12
MrTweedy ft. MrSong
Spurs did get more points than Chelsea, so how do you work that out.
Chelsea are in, Spurs are out. Nothing to do with getting more points.
posted on 20/5/12
You can have our place...
Oh
posted on 20/5/12
Because you would have finished 3rd instead of 4th which everyone knows isn't a guarenteed CL place. Chelsea won and therefore are in to defend their trophy (which I dont agree with) which has cost 4th place their position. Knew the rules all season and let's be fair as soon as Chelsea beat Napoli the trophy had their name written all over it.
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