We bought the EPL did we? Says everything we need to know about you, doesn't it?
I'm happy with that statement, proves only an armchair football fan, believes what is told by others, incapable of researching facts and figures. (For the record United spent more than Rovers the year we won)
There are also more Trophies to be won than just the Premier league title, but the fact there are only 5 names on that particular said trophy speaks volumes about the success of Rovers. Did you also know that only BRFC are officially allowed to display their crest on our corner flags as we are the only club to have won the FA cup 3 times on the bounce. See there's some history for you
we are the only club to have won the FA cup 3 times on the bounce
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In 2003-2006? No got that wrong. 1993-1996? Dang done it again! Wait a mo, it was 1893-96
Now there is 'History' lad
And Jack Walker bought the title, otherwise your obscurity in the lower divisions would have continued but lets not mention the dosh for Shearer and Sutton, and KK to manage
Are you seriously suggesting Jack Walker DIDN'T buy the league...Wah-ha-ha
The FA cup...Wah-ha-ha...Placed below the Europa league in terms of Kudos...
Btw..How is your european record?...Intertoto...
If we bought the title, why did we still have to play all those games that season in order to be able to pick it up?
Simple as, really. You can't buy a title, you have to earn it through being the best team throughout the season.
Blackburn have done really well in the Lancashire Seniors Cup though
Sure no other club ever has ever spent any money before when winning a league. Celtic regularly give money away rather than spending on players. Such a moral club, they don't believe in spending more than other clubs in the league.
Hector - you never answered my analogy?
Rover, what analogy?
The silly wee boy rant just above?
Celtic regularly give money away rather than spending on players. Such a moral club, they don't believe in spending more than other clubs in the league.
...........
Celtic live within their means, do Rovers?
So it's not buying the league if you're getting in more money than other teams as well? In that case, we didn't buy the league because Jack's investment far outspent our spending on players.
Nope this one
"
Lets paraphrase the Rovers situation for you Hector:
Celtic are taken over by a foreign consortium and debt is placed on the club. New owners chat excitedly about returning Celtic to the glory days of European Cups. A couple of weeks into their ownership you lose embarassingly to St Mirren 5-0. Lennon is identified by management as the problem and shown the door forthwith. Garry Parker is appointed as caretaker manager with his (mythical) agent Askum Bag having advised the new owners. Parker talks enthusiastically about the new way and is then awarded the job full time after a sequence of one win, two draws and five losses. Celtic then proceed to drop from a top position to behind Killie and Dunfirmline. The new owners gush about Parker and declare him unsackable.
Come the transfer window, Askum Bag pops up at the club and dictates the transfer policy of the club through shady guises. The club pays 3X in agents fees what it does in transfer fees and is blocked from signing a player due to concerns over 3rd party ownership. No player signed in the window makes an appearance. The club gets rid of Ian Bankier and Peter Lawwell. Parker is then arrested for drink driving after having a chee.ky beer with Coisty. He blames it on the fans before a judge forces him to admit in court he is a liar.
Celtic continue to drop and finish the season in lower mid-table. The first signing of the season is Askum's son, Baw. Parker gushes about his quality, the next Charlie McGain.
Players are now shipped out during this window, Hooper is sold. Reinforcements are promised but don't arrive until you're out of the European Cup and have started the season with three losses against all the Dundees. The reinforcements arrive from the Slovakian third division, the Czech second and include David Goodwillie.
Results continue to decline and Celtic are in the bottom three. Parker is given a new contract. the club refuse to talk to supporters or the fans and Scott Brown and one of your other stars (Izaguerre) are not played even though you only have two fit defenders. Parker says that they are injured but they go on Twitter to say they've been frozen out. New signings are not played and Parker gets a new contract on more money. At the point Parker signs the new contract, he has the second worst win record of any Celtic manager ever and has dismissed rumours about a new contracts days before.
At this point, you're 100% behind Parker and the new owners, right?"
Rovers have done since returning back to the Premiership. There was some funding in and out to the Trust but our managers (Hughes, Allardyce, Ince) under the Trust had to operate under very strict financial terms along with many years of negative spend.
It's buying the league when you are a parochial backwater splashing out to attract player who wouldn't have even known there was a club in the hinterland.
Our previous chairman did a statement a while back which emphasized the well run nature of the club (when football things were working out for Ince, we had to sack him but that required adjustments to the club's budget) and honestly, you think we're protesting about the fact that we are getting relegated, its not just that that has stoked the fans but the off field problems together with the strong whiff of corruption and, frankly, immorality that has bedevilled the club under Venkys ownership. Rovers fans were proud of our club - we aren't right now.
That being the case Rover, and I accept you have been mismanaged, 'Parker' is not the problem, the problem is the owners, all ire and venom would be directed at those responsible, as happened in the early 90's.
Would you ever refuse a 'once in a lifetime' promotion?
So there it is. Unless you're a big club (a term I use loosely for any team in the Scottish Pub League) you don't deserve to win anything.
Only clubs with millions of fans all over the world deserve to win things to appease their global fan base.
You must have been livid when Man City won the league, then.
Keith
Man City also bought the league.
As for the pub league jibe...
No agreed Parker is not the problem....except he actually might be. No-one quite knows the level of influence he has together with the shadowy management company that is adivsing our owners. And, quite honestly, that is why the protests have been what they have - we CANNOT get through to the owners, they don't attend games, they sack the officials who are supposed to be managing the club. Eg in December Paul Hunt (acting CEO) wrote to the owners and suggested that the club was falling apart and that Kean was the problem. He asked for authority to sack Kean and appoint a new manager. When that letter became public recently, he was removed the next day. No-one knows who is managing the club - the latest rumours is that Kean is being lined up for this position.
Btw - the events I paraprhased above are the ones before the protests started.
"Btw - the events I paraprhased above are the ones before the protests started."
Actually, for accuracy, not everything might be - but it was certainly before the Bolton game when Rovers fans were demonised (as we went 2-0 down very quickly to the bottom club at home).
Fair enough, I'm bored slagging you off now and am genuinely interested.
Hindsight being 20/20, and with the aid of a time machine, would you have organized your protest differently? Seems to me that Venkys and Kean have a real grudge against you, the fanbase, probably because of the way Kean has been victimized, and that they know that they can do what ever they want because they know you won't walk away and follow another club.
What would be your ideal way for this to end? Can Venkys ever recoup your good faith or are they a lost cause and you just want them gone?
As for the pub league jibe...
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The same could be said about your backwater jibe.
Also, about the Man City thing - that's exactly what I was getting at...
Hindsight being 20/20, and with the aid of a time machine, would you have organized your protest differently?
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Considering how little effect literally every single tactic executed has produced, I reckon there's not much else that could be done.
Time machine - honestly I don't know. The first protest coincided with our first win of the season so protests = bad results is lazy journalism. Did it affect the players, again I don't know. I imagine the Paul Robinson's and David Dunn's of the team were disappointed and put more effort in but it might have affected the younger lads (but there were too many of those due to the evil Venkean regime's rumoured 'matchday budget' - ie cannot play senior player's match fees). Having being owned by the Trust for so long (and believe me there were Rovers fans complaining about lack of investment then), we just didn't know how to react.
The owners, well largely its the silence and Kean's continued involvement. I know you'll argue against us demonising an individual but his lies, his complicity in the club's running, the shadowy nature of the activities coupled with his incompetence suggests that he should be removed (not just us but our chief exec saying it) but he is still not.
The owners had the opportunity to make bridges but I cannot judge anyone's activity with regard to season tickets and attending - people love the club and it has given a lot of people a sense of community, fellowship with family etc. But it doesn't feel like our club any more.
* but there were = but there weren't
Keith
Hand on heart I am empathic to your situation, re crap owners, I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking, but have a better understanding as to why he's been targeted (still wrong imo).
Where are you with fan organisation?
I ask because my mate is on the 'actions commitee' at Greenpeace (paid to create mayhem....great job) and he has told me that a small amount of people can highlight issues, but a large amount of people can effect change.
You have, apparently, thousands, is there no one organising concentrated pressure, be it financial or disobedience? Home game boycotts, disrupting venkys meeting in India etc.
"I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking"
But still you cannot say particularly what is shocking. He's not the first manager to have heard "XXX Out" and whilst that might have been overdone in a game, honestly that is the majority. The bodyguard thing is overdone and is Kean building his media platform. I can't emphasize how much that impacted fans - suddenly we were seen as threatening and violent because of a quoted story in the Daily Hail which portrayed us as such and which has been picked up since and stayed in everybody's minds. At the same time Jerome Anderson went on Sky and received a sickening fawning interview where he was allowed (without serious journalistic effort) to slam fans.
We never had that outlet and whilst its easy to blame the media, quite honestly, I do feel that we have been done here.
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posted on 22/5/12
We bought the EPL did we? Says everything we need to know about you, doesn't it?
posted on 22/5/12
I'm happy with that statement, proves only an armchair football fan, believes what is told by others, incapable of researching facts and figures. (For the record United spent more than Rovers the year we won)
There are also more Trophies to be won than just the Premier league title, but the fact there are only 5 names on that particular said trophy speaks volumes about the success of Rovers. Did you also know that only BRFC are officially allowed to display their crest on our corner flags as we are the only club to have won the FA cup 3 times on the bounce. See there's some history for you
posted on 22/5/12
we are the only club to have won the FA cup 3 times on the bounce
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In 2003-2006? No got that wrong. 1993-1996? Dang done it again! Wait a mo, it was 1893-96
Now there is 'History' lad
And Jack Walker bought the title, otherwise your obscurity in the lower divisions would have continued but lets not mention the dosh for Shearer and Sutton, and KK to manage
posted on 22/5/12
Are you seriously suggesting Jack Walker DIDN'T buy the league...Wah-ha-ha
The FA cup...Wah-ha-ha...Placed below the Europa league in terms of Kudos...
Btw..How is your european record?...Intertoto...
posted on 22/5/12
If we bought the title, why did we still have to play all those games that season in order to be able to pick it up?
Simple as, really. You can't buy a title, you have to earn it through being the best team throughout the season.
posted on 22/5/12
Blackburn have done really well in the Lancashire Seniors Cup though
posted on 22/5/12
Sure no other club ever has ever spent any money before when winning a league. Celtic regularly give money away rather than spending on players. Such a moral club, they don't believe in spending more than other clubs in the league.
Hector - you never answered my analogy?
posted on 22/5/12
Rover, what analogy?
The silly wee boy rant just above?
posted on 22/5/12
Celtic regularly give money away rather than spending on players. Such a moral club, they don't believe in spending more than other clubs in the league.
...........
Celtic live within their means, do Rovers?
posted on 22/5/12
So it's not buying the league if you're getting in more money than other teams as well? In that case, we didn't buy the league because Jack's investment far outspent our spending on players.
posted on 22/5/12
Nope this one
"
Lets paraphrase the Rovers situation for you Hector:
Celtic are taken over by a foreign consortium and debt is placed on the club. New owners chat excitedly about returning Celtic to the glory days of European Cups. A couple of weeks into their ownership you lose embarassingly to St Mirren 5-0. Lennon is identified by management as the problem and shown the door forthwith. Garry Parker is appointed as caretaker manager with his (mythical) agent Askum Bag having advised the new owners. Parker talks enthusiastically about the new way and is then awarded the job full time after a sequence of one win, two draws and five losses. Celtic then proceed to drop from a top position to behind Killie and Dunfirmline. The new owners gush about Parker and declare him unsackable.
Come the transfer window, Askum Bag pops up at the club and dictates the transfer policy of the club through shady guises. The club pays 3X in agents fees what it does in transfer fees and is blocked from signing a player due to concerns over 3rd party ownership. No player signed in the window makes an appearance. The club gets rid of Ian Bankier and Peter Lawwell. Parker is then arrested for drink driving after having a chee.ky beer with Coisty. He blames it on the fans before a judge forces him to admit in court he is a liar.
Celtic continue to drop and finish the season in lower mid-table. The first signing of the season is Askum's son, Baw. Parker gushes about his quality, the next Charlie McGain.
Players are now shipped out during this window, Hooper is sold. Reinforcements are promised but don't arrive until you're out of the European Cup and have started the season with three losses against all the Dundees. The reinforcements arrive from the Slovakian third division, the Czech second and include David Goodwillie.
Results continue to decline and Celtic are in the bottom three. Parker is given a new contract. the club refuse to talk to supporters or the fans and Scott Brown and one of your other stars (Izaguerre) are not played even though you only have two fit defenders. Parker says that they are injured but they go on Twitter to say they've been frozen out. New signings are not played and Parker gets a new contract on more money. At the point Parker signs the new contract, he has the second worst win record of any Celtic manager ever and has dismissed rumours about a new contracts days before.
At this point, you're 100% behind Parker and the new owners, right?"
Rovers have done since returning back to the Premiership. There was some funding in and out to the Trust but our managers (Hughes, Allardyce, Ince) under the Trust had to operate under very strict financial terms along with many years of negative spend.
posted on 22/5/12
It's buying the league when you are a parochial backwater splashing out to attract player who wouldn't have even known there was a club in the hinterland.
posted on 22/5/12
Our previous chairman did a statement a while back which emphasized the well run nature of the club (when football things were working out for Ince, we had to sack him but that required adjustments to the club's budget) and honestly, you think we're protesting about the fact that we are getting relegated, its not just that that has stoked the fans but the off field problems together with the strong whiff of corruption and, frankly, immorality that has bedevilled the club under Venkys ownership. Rovers fans were proud of our club - we aren't right now.
posted on 22/5/12
That being the case Rover, and I accept you have been mismanaged, 'Parker' is not the problem, the problem is the owners, all ire and venom would be directed at those responsible, as happened in the early 90's.
Would you ever refuse a 'once in a lifetime' promotion?
posted on 22/5/12
So there it is. Unless you're a big club (a term I use loosely for any team in the Scottish Pub League) you don't deserve to win anything.
Only clubs with millions of fans all over the world deserve to win things to appease their global fan base.
You must have been livid when Man City won the league, then.
posted on 22/5/12
Keith
Man City also bought the league.
As for the pub league jibe...
posted on 22/5/12
No agreed Parker is not the problem....except he actually might be. No-one quite knows the level of influence he has together with the shadowy management company that is adivsing our owners. And, quite honestly, that is why the protests have been what they have - we CANNOT get through to the owners, they don't attend games, they sack the officials who are supposed to be managing the club. Eg in December Paul Hunt (acting CEO) wrote to the owners and suggested that the club was falling apart and that Kean was the problem. He asked for authority to sack Kean and appoint a new manager. When that letter became public recently, he was removed the next day. No-one knows who is managing the club - the latest rumours is that Kean is being lined up for this position.
Btw - the events I paraprhased above are the ones before the protests started.
posted on 22/5/12
"Btw - the events I paraprhased above are the ones before the protests started."
Actually, for accuracy, not everything might be - but it was certainly before the Bolton game when Rovers fans were demonised (as we went 2-0 down very quickly to the bottom club at home).
posted on 22/5/12
Fair enough, I'm bored slagging you off now and am genuinely interested.
Hindsight being 20/20, and with the aid of a time machine, would you have organized your protest differently? Seems to me that Venkys and Kean have a real grudge against you, the fanbase, probably because of the way Kean has been victimized, and that they know that they can do what ever they want because they know you won't walk away and follow another club.
What would be your ideal way for this to end? Can Venkys ever recoup your good faith or are they a lost cause and you just want them gone?
posted on 22/5/12
As for the pub league jibe...
===========================
The same could be said about your backwater jibe.
Also, about the Man City thing - that's exactly what I was getting at...
posted on 22/5/12
Hindsight being 20/20, and with the aid of a time machine, would you have organized your protest differently?
========================================
Considering how little effect literally every single tactic executed has produced, I reckon there's not much else that could be done.
posted on 22/5/12
Time machine - honestly I don't know. The first protest coincided with our first win of the season so protests = bad results is lazy journalism. Did it affect the players, again I don't know. I imagine the Paul Robinson's and David Dunn's of the team were disappointed and put more effort in but it might have affected the younger lads (but there were too many of those due to the evil Venkean regime's rumoured 'matchday budget' - ie cannot play senior player's match fees). Having being owned by the Trust for so long (and believe me there were Rovers fans complaining about lack of investment then), we just didn't know how to react.
The owners, well largely its the silence and Kean's continued involvement. I know you'll argue against us demonising an individual but his lies, his complicity in the club's running, the shadowy nature of the activities coupled with his incompetence suggests that he should be removed (not just us but our chief exec saying it) but he is still not.
The owners had the opportunity to make bridges but I cannot judge anyone's activity with regard to season tickets and attending - people love the club and it has given a lot of people a sense of community, fellowship with family etc. But it doesn't feel like our club any more.
posted on 22/5/12
* but there were = but there weren't
posted on 22/5/12
Keith
Hand on heart I am empathic to your situation, re crap owners, I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking, but have a better understanding as to why he's been targeted (still wrong imo).
Where are you with fan organisation?
I ask because my mate is on the 'actions commitee' at Greenpeace (paid to create mayhem....great job) and he has told me that a small amount of people can highlight issues, but a large amount of people can effect change.
You have, apparently, thousands, is there no one organising concentrated pressure, be it financial or disobedience? Home game boycotts, disrupting venkys meeting in India etc.
posted on 22/5/12
"I do think Keans treatment, from an outsiders perspective has been shocking"
But still you cannot say particularly what is shocking. He's not the first manager to have heard "XXX Out" and whilst that might have been overdone in a game, honestly that is the majority. The bodyguard thing is overdone and is Kean building his media platform. I can't emphasize how much that impacted fans - suddenly we were seen as threatening and violent because of a quoted story in the Daily Hail which portrayed us as such and which has been picked up since and stayed in everybody's minds. At the same time Jerome Anderson went on Sky and received a sickening fawning interview where he was allowed (without serious journalistic effort) to slam fans.
We never had that outlet and whilst its easy to blame the media, quite honestly, I do feel that we have been done here.
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