comment by Ramsfanbaz. Are Soles Fish? (U2480)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Thank god he's going and I don't have to hear him say the work "exciting" ever again with his American drawl!
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I'm gonna miss his referrals to "training camp"!
SDS - cheers for mentioning the free video of the fans forum on dcfc.co.uk, I found it quite interesting
If anyone else wants a listen it lasts about half an hour and is titled, something along the lines of, "Your ST 12/13 questions answered".
I have always thought Tom Glick did a good job of organising Derby's commercial operations. Man City obviously think so too. Remember it was Glick who hired Nigel and gave him the sound strategy of building from the foundations, which Nigel willingly adopted staright from the off. I think that was a great move.
I wish him well and hope we can get a decent replacement.
"Principles for sale!! Principles for sale!! Get them here!!"
And to think, we were going to pay for that spineless get to go play with the rest of the Football League CEOs in Portugal this summer, have him stand there and tell them all about financial 'fair play' and the appalling effects of clubs being run as hobbies by billionaires, who then leave and risk the very fabric of the club.
Unbelievable Jeff.
I think he's actually not done a bad job, irrespective of where you look at it from.
If you're GSE, he's taken all the abuse and vitriol that would otherwise have been directed at them, and fulfilled his remit regarding finances. We might not like how it's happened (although policy is dull, it's at least sensible) but you can't deny he leaves the club in a better shape than he found it in. We have to at least acknowledge some of the work he's done. It isn't without merit, and Man City, who could have employed just about anyone on earth, are testament to that fact.
He won't be fondly remembered, and i think that's perhaps a bit harsh on him really. He didn't understand british football and the nuances of our culture (ie we have sensibilities, rather than lapping up unsubtle american marketing tosh), but he didn't do badly. I think life would have been better for himself and the fans if he kept his mouth shut a bit more often.
Anyway, you don't know what you've got til it's gone, and whoever comes along next might just be even less palatable...
comment by Ramdini (U6565) posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
I have always thought Tom Glick did a good job of organising Derby's commercial operations. Man City obviously think so too. Remember it was Glick who hired Nigel and gave him the sound strategy of building from the foundations, which Nigel willingly adopted staright from the off. I think that was a great move.
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You've got to be kidding Ramdini. You are giving Tom far to much credit for even having a remit to give to Nigel. As if Nigel would do it any other way than built it from the grass routes. The interview would of gone something like this.
Tom: Hello Nigel, I heard of your Dad, the fans love him don't they.
Nigel: Thank you, you can sit down now Tom. I will build the club from the bottom and ask for a few quid every now and then to do it. I've got some fat boys out the back who are willing to help do it on the cheap. I'll start on Monday, just sign here and have the tea ready for me at 08:00. No sugar for me but 4 for the fitness and nuitrician coach.
Tom: WOW. i love you.
Adam Pearson brought in NC, not Tom Glick. Shortly after Pearson cleared his desk too and went to Hull. Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts.
Now we wait for the next robot to trundle off the production line, with smiles and amazing and exciting soundbytes! Sheeeeesh
SDS, you sound like you know of an alternative way? Please enlighten us...
The only way I know Mostyn, is my own way. I wouldnt be as arrogant as to profess to have the answers to our problems. If you read my comments that way, may I suggest that you're reading it how you would write it.
My way is, as much as it hurts, to refuse to line their pockets any longer, nor play their games. What you do and, others on these boards, will be your/their decision and yours/theirs alone. All I have done in my posts is put my point of view across and state facts.
Anything else you'd like to know?
I meant an alternative to 'running the club'.
I know what you meant! You have misread my posts Mostyn
My comments began when posters starting lording your Mate Glick as having actually achieved something good at our club. I provided an alternative view, I never stated I knew alternatives. Seems sadly ironic that the man that you showed so much faith in has repaid that faith with a move to employment from the very kinds of people who he warned us about. To boot, we now face a situation where FP is going to restrict our club further, whilst the type of club he now works for will only benefit from that and the ability to cherry pick youngsters from us too. Did he give any inclination that he intended to make this "about face" over the numerous cups of coffee you shared?
I have a question for you. Is your smile as broad as Toms this morning do you think?
"Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts." is the quote I'm referring to SDS. My question was in relation to this quote and the feeling I get that you think anyone else would do it differently.
You're in cloud cuckoo land, regardless of who runs our club, they will run it similar or worse than GSE!
Yes, my smile was quite broad as it happens. Like Tom Glick, I am a paid employee of a company, and like Tom Glick, I've been offered a job that pays more money. Like Tom Glick I accepted the job offer.
I love how people have attempted to take a moral highground here, but we all are obliged in our jobs to 'champion' the cause of our current employers! We all sign contracts where we agree to do everything in our power to avoid bringing our employers into disrepute. BUT, we'd all move jobs for better conditions and pledge loyalty to the next employer!
I cannot understand why people cannot grasp this. Glick was good at his job! If he was working for me (ie if I was owner of Dcfc) he'd be my star employee for what he has done. People taking the high and mighty stance but reality is he had a job, he did a job.
Amazing how many predictions of being sold out, being relegated, stripping assets etc etc NEVER happened.
Mostyn, for once, or is it twice now, I reluctantly agree.
"Amazing how many predictions of being sold out, being relegated, stripping assets etc etc NEVER happened."
Dont count your chickens Mostyn!
"comment by mostyn6 - still waiting to be convinced. (U1485)
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"Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts."
Is there something within that text that suggest I know an alternative? Ive read it back several times and cannot find anything like that.
And there ARE clubs doing it differently, smart and wise investment is pushing smaller clubs than us into the higher reaches of the Prem, whilst our pitance of investment has us treading water, and if we dont replace some of the players we have lost this summer with similar or better then I only expect the tide to rise and treading water to become a slow drown!
I know you think differently to this, and would never admit that you were taken in by the repetitive soundbytes that came from Glicks mouth, but you need to be asking questions Mate. Such as, why after three seasons of grinding out results and living in fear of financial ruin we are now heamoraging £8M a year again? Why ST sales are down and genuine lifelong Rams are sick and tired of listening to the rubbish spewed at by DCFC every transfer window?
As for taking a moral highground Mostyn, you have a f'ing cheek. It was Glicks moral highground that encouraged thousands of Derby fans to renew ST's based on false promises and pathetic gimmicks, and also why you are highly likely to have paid 30 odd quid to watch an ordinary game of football yet the Guy standing next to you has highly likely paid 'F' ALL!
Please do not lecture me on morals Mate, I havent seen much evidence of them within you! And my "Cloudcuckoo" land is brought on by watching clubs like Fulham, Swansea, Wigan, West Ham, West Brom, Reading, QPR, Norwich ALL Mording it with the Big Boys. And at the top of the Big Boys now sits Man City, and the man who claimed he would not rest until we were back where we belong, sits there with them.
Morals???? F'off Mate
*Lording*
Forgot to mention in my list STOKE!
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"If he was working for me (ie if I was owner of Dcfc) he'd be my star employee for what he has done."
Please tell us what exactly he has done? ALL traces of quality gone, your words! £8M a year debt and rising, his words! ST sales at lowest since promotion season 2007. A Grand Plaza planned, yet the team still suffers.
A Centre Half out until this time next year, a reliable midfielder and a good striker GONE, unable to sustain their pay. Two record ST sales in the CCC, disappeared! One, and im being kind there, parachute payment not invested in the squad. Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
What has he achieved for the good of our Club?
Great analysis of the list Mostyn, if you're living in the dark and distant past! In the case of West Brom you are well wrong Pal. I work with Baggies Fans and they always praise the club for the way they have been treated. One such fan has just renewed his ST and bought two others for his Son and Daughter at a great price. Swansea Fans seem very happy with their lot, as would You and I be too I imagine, so by your reckoning Fulham fans must be delighted too. Stoke have been to an FA Cup final and are practically impossible to beat at home. Some teams have been down to Division 4? And your point is? We had seasons in Div3. Im talking about the here and now Mostyn, the present?
Wigan have a nutty sugar daddy? Yet you state later on that it has nothing to do with him but the Manager and Players, make up your mind whats prevolent!
Your pride leads you to believe that anyone who complains about this Boards want millions and millions thrown away. Smart, sensible investment is all that is needed to push us forward and get Rams packing PP again, like just ONE influencial player to lead these young lads out there! We cant even afford PAUL GREEN! Surely you must be worried about that???
Surely!
Please tell us what exactly he has done?
I'll try and answer as if I was the owner!
ALL traces of quality gone, your words!
Is this down to the manager or the VP? But either way, we finished higher than any time other than two play-off seasons. So that argument effectively is null. The fact is our manager prefers a different kind of player. Even when we did have quality, he never favoured picking the players with the quality.
£8M a year debt and rising, his words!
Considering we were £30m in debt when GSE/Glick arrived, I think you've got that one wrong. The debt is also to themselves, which means no bank can harm DCFC like when the debt was to a bank.
ST sales at lowest since promotion season 2007.
This can partly be attributed to people's financial situations, people disliking the brand of football and/or people distrusting the owners. I know people from each camp, in roughly equal measures. I would also suggest that most clubs in recent years have seen a slump. Not sure Glick is to blame for all of them.
A Grand Plaza planned, yet the team still suffers.
Suffers? We havent had a transfer window since the Plaza plans were announced, but dont let that ruin your perceptions. Strongest finish in a few years would suggest that the Plaza plans spurred the team on!
A Centre Half out until this time next year,
As above, we havent even entered a transfer window since Barker's injury, so it's too soon to criticise over that!
a reliable midfielder and a good striker GONE, unable to sustain their pay
I assume you're talking about Green and Davies? Both are Jewell signings. Green is leaving due to money issues! even the biggest clubs wont pay the biggest wages. Green wasnt even NC's first choice and I've been told he hates NC and was frustrated at being overlooked for his own position and being played everywhere else on the pitch. I blame NC not Glick for this. As for Davies, this is nothing to do with money, Clough or Glick. This is a decision on grounds of trying to save his marriage.
Two record ST sales in the CCC, disappeared!
Sales only = £6m, easily swallowed by player wages.
One, and im being kind there, parachute payment not invested in the squad.
Really? Are you that myopic? Do you forget all of the money wasted on the loan signings. The parachute payments were spent way before they were received. But even if the owners nicked the money, that makes Glick look even better if I was the owner??
Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
If he fills the stadium, thats a good thing eh? Well done Tom.
What has he achieved for the good of our Club?
What he's done at our club is 'stabilised' the club on the pitch whilst improving the dire situation off it. It's quite simple. We havent got into a worse situation. People predicted all sorts of administration and things like that, but still throughout it, we ended up underperforming on the pitch, which would suggest things have improved in real terms.
That's not Tom Glick though SDS!
SDS, you missed the actual point. Before those clubs were able to make their moves and improve, they were exactly like us now, if not worse! Only 2 seasons ago, my best mate who is a Baggie and his family refused to renew (promotion season) as the season before, Stoke invested in James Beattie and stayed up, yet WBA did nothing and accepted relegation.
My Wigan comment is on the fact that they would be massively in debt, in a truly awful financial situation, worse than Pompey. They have had a decent manager who overachieved to get them promoted (a bit like Billy for us), and then Whelan's money has kept them up.
just clarify something for me please SDS, when you say "Im talking about the here and now Mostyn, the present?", are you promoting some risky strategy to get instant success?
I'm pretty sure you was behind Nigel Clough's "we have a plan over the next few years" comment?
Firsty I will apologise for the tone of previous posts. I promised myself over recent months that I wouldnt allow myself to do it.
We could quite easily be here all night thrashing our points of view across the thread, and quite frankly I think I need to cool off.
It is quite obvious Mostyn that you will not even begin to appreciate how utterly disgusted some Fans are with the way they have been treated over recent seasons. That much is obvious from your constant undertones to desparage the Manager. Some of your points about him have been quite valid, but I refuse to judge the man until he has been given a level playing field financially to compete with his peers. And by peers I mean managers of similar size and stature of Club.
If you want to call me a hypocrite for questioning Glicks loyalty to a cause which he constantly reminded Fans he was dedicated to, so be it. That is where you and I differ greatly. If I make promises and commitments to people, especially those for whom that commitment means so much, I stay until the job is done. Money and stature is not nearly as important to me as loyalty.
Yes, Glick was only the statesmen for GSE and Pearson merely a partner. Both will now have walked away from our club to greener pastures and full pockets. if thats what makes them happy then all power to them. Its what we are left with that I find a bitter pill to swallow. And you definitely know what I mean by that.
"ALL traces of quality gone, your words!
Is this down to the manager or the VP? But either way, we finished higher than any time other than two play-off seasons. So that argument effectively is null. The fact is our manager prefers a different kind of player. Even when we did have quality, he never favoured picking the players with the quality."
How you consider your answer to simply nullify or dismiss my argument is beyond me. Where are your facts to back up the statement that the manager would never pick the players with quality? Surely another possibility is that knowing they would have to leave, was there any POINT to picking them when they were never going to be part of the long term plan?
"Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
If he fills the stadium, thats a good thing eh? Well done Tom."
How about filling the stadium with ALL paying customers, enjoying some Entertainment (remember that?), not a young inexperienced team with no influence and experience to balance it out?
"What he's done at our club is 'stabilised' the club on the pitch whilst improving the dire situation off it."
Did you watch the Fans Forum video Mostyn, if not give it a go, he clearly states that we are ammassing debt again, which if the trend continues will lead us back to the £30M figure you stated. You know as well as I that in football gambles need to be taken from time to time. Speculate to accumulate etc.
He also states that more cuts in finances are to come! All this only two/three? years after we were told that only the debt on the mortgage remained. My memory serves me well Mate.
So, please explain to me how when we are making more cuts this summer, and are not intending to invest with any meaning again, and yet still sustaining debt we can class any of the above as "stabilised"?
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posted on 30/5/12
comment by Ramsfanbaz. Are Soles Fish? (U2480)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
Thank god he's going and I don't have to hear him say the work "exciting" ever again with his American drawl!
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I'm gonna miss his referrals to "training camp"!
SDS - cheers for mentioning the free video of the fans forum on dcfc.co.uk, I found it quite interesting
If anyone else wants a listen it lasts about half an hour and is titled, something along the lines of, "Your ST 12/13 questions answered".
posted on 30/5/12
I have always thought Tom Glick did a good job of organising Derby's commercial operations. Man City obviously think so too. Remember it was Glick who hired Nigel and gave him the sound strategy of building from the foundations, which Nigel willingly adopted staright from the off. I think that was a great move.
I wish him well and hope we can get a decent replacement.
posted on 30/5/12
"Principles for sale!! Principles for sale!! Get them here!!"
And to think, we were going to pay for that spineless get to go play with the rest of the Football League CEOs in Portugal this summer, have him stand there and tell them all about financial 'fair play' and the appalling effects of clubs being run as hobbies by billionaires, who then leave and risk the very fabric of the club.
Unbelievable Jeff.
posted on 30/5/12
I think he's actually not done a bad job, irrespective of where you look at it from.
If you're GSE, he's taken all the abuse and vitriol that would otherwise have been directed at them, and fulfilled his remit regarding finances. We might not like how it's happened (although policy is dull, it's at least sensible) but you can't deny he leaves the club in a better shape than he found it in. We have to at least acknowledge some of the work he's done. It isn't without merit, and Man City, who could have employed just about anyone on earth, are testament to that fact.
He won't be fondly remembered, and i think that's perhaps a bit harsh on him really. He didn't understand british football and the nuances of our culture (ie we have sensibilities, rather than lapping up unsubtle american marketing tosh), but he didn't do badly. I think life would have been better for himself and the fans if he kept his mouth shut a bit more often.
Anyway, you don't know what you've got til it's gone, and whoever comes along next might just be even less palatable...
posted on 30/5/12
comment by Ramdini (U6565) posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
I have always thought Tom Glick did a good job of organising Derby's commercial operations. Man City obviously think so too. Remember it was Glick who hired Nigel and gave him the sound strategy of building from the foundations, which Nigel willingly adopted staright from the off. I think that was a great move.
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You've got to be kidding Ramdini. You are giving Tom far to much credit for even having a remit to give to Nigel. As if Nigel would do it any other way than built it from the grass routes. The interview would of gone something like this.
Tom: Hello Nigel, I heard of your Dad, the fans love him don't they.
Nigel: Thank you, you can sit down now Tom. I will build the club from the bottom and ask for a few quid every now and then to do it. I've got some fat boys out the back who are willing to help do it on the cheap. I'll start on Monday, just sign here and have the tea ready for me at 08:00. No sugar for me but 4 for the fitness and nuitrician coach.
Tom: WOW. i love you.
posted on 30/5/12
posted on 30/5/12
Adam Pearson brought in NC, not Tom Glick. Shortly after Pearson cleared his desk too and went to Hull. Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts.
Now we wait for the next robot to trundle off the production line, with smiles and amazing and exciting soundbytes! Sheeeeesh
posted on 30/5/12
SDS, you sound like you know of an alternative way? Please enlighten us...
posted on 30/5/12
The only way I know Mostyn, is my own way. I wouldnt be as arrogant as to profess to have the answers to our problems. If you read my comments that way, may I suggest that you're reading it how you would write it.
My way is, as much as it hurts, to refuse to line their pockets any longer, nor play their games. What you do and, others on these boards, will be your/their decision and yours/theirs alone. All I have done in my posts is put my point of view across and state facts.
Anything else you'd like to know?
posted on 30/5/12
I meant an alternative to 'running the club'.
posted on 30/5/12
I know what you meant! You have misread my posts Mostyn
My comments began when posters starting lording your Mate Glick as having actually achieved something good at our club. I provided an alternative view, I never stated I knew alternatives. Seems sadly ironic that the man that you showed so much faith in has repaid that faith with a move to employment from the very kinds of people who he warned us about. To boot, we now face a situation where FP is going to restrict our club further, whilst the type of club he now works for will only benefit from that and the ability to cherry pick youngsters from us too. Did he give any inclination that he intended to make this "about face" over the numerous cups of coffee you shared?
I have a question for you. Is your smile as broad as Toms this morning do you think?
posted on 30/5/12
Iwas, brilliant!
posted on 30/5/12
"Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts." is the quote I'm referring to SDS. My question was in relation to this quote and the feeling I get that you think anyone else would do it differently.
You're in cloud cuckoo land, regardless of who runs our club, they will run it similar or worse than GSE!
Yes, my smile was quite broad as it happens. Like Tom Glick, I am a paid employee of a company, and like Tom Glick, I've been offered a job that pays more money. Like Tom Glick I accepted the job offer.
I love how people have attempted to take a moral highground here, but we all are obliged in our jobs to 'champion' the cause of our current employers! We all sign contracts where we agree to do everything in our power to avoid bringing our employers into disrepute. BUT, we'd all move jobs for better conditions and pledge loyalty to the next employer!
I cannot understand why people cannot grasp this. Glick was good at his job! If he was working for me (ie if I was owner of Dcfc) he'd be my star employee for what he has done. People taking the high and mighty stance but reality is he had a job, he did a job.
Amazing how many predictions of being sold out, being relegated, stripping assets etc etc NEVER happened.
posted on 30/5/12
Mostyn, for once, or is it twice now, I reluctantly agree.
posted on 30/5/12
"Amazing how many predictions of being sold out, being relegated, stripping assets etc etc NEVER happened."
Dont count your chickens Mostyn!
"comment by mostyn6 - still waiting to be convinced. (U1485)
posted 31 seconds ago
"Now we are left with a bunch of investors who don't invest. Instead they LOAN the club money to pay off annual debts."
Is there something within that text that suggest I know an alternative? Ive read it back several times and cannot find anything like that.
And there ARE clubs doing it differently, smart and wise investment is pushing smaller clubs than us into the higher reaches of the Prem, whilst our pitance of investment has us treading water, and if we dont replace some of the players we have lost this summer with similar or better then I only expect the tide to rise and treading water to become a slow drown!
I know you think differently to this, and would never admit that you were taken in by the repetitive soundbytes that came from Glicks mouth, but you need to be asking questions Mate. Such as, why after three seasons of grinding out results and living in fear of financial ruin we are now heamoraging £8M a year again? Why ST sales are down and genuine lifelong Rams are sick and tired of listening to the rubbish spewed at by DCFC every transfer window?
As for taking a moral highground Mostyn, you have a f'ing cheek. It was Glicks moral highground that encouraged thousands of Derby fans to renew ST's based on false promises and pathetic gimmicks, and also why you are highly likely to have paid 30 odd quid to watch an ordinary game of football yet the Guy standing next to you has highly likely paid 'F' ALL!
Please do not lecture me on morals Mate, I havent seen much evidence of them within you! And my "Cloudcuckoo" land is brought on by watching clubs like Fulham, Swansea, Wigan, West Ham, West Brom, Reading, QPR, Norwich ALL Mording it with the Big Boys. And at the top of the Big Boys now sits Man City, and the man who claimed he would not rest until we were back where we belong, sits there with them.
Morals???? F'off Mate
posted on 30/5/12
*Lording*
Forgot to mention in my list STOKE!
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posted on 30/5/12
"If he was working for me (ie if I was owner of Dcfc) he'd be my star employee for what he has done."
Please tell us what exactly he has done? ALL traces of quality gone, your words! £8M a year debt and rising, his words! ST sales at lowest since promotion season 2007. A Grand Plaza planned, yet the team still suffers.
A Centre Half out until this time next year, a reliable midfielder and a good striker GONE, unable to sustain their pay. Two record ST sales in the CCC, disappeared! One, and im being kind there, parachute payment not invested in the squad. Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
What has he achieved for the good of our Club?
posted on 30/5/12
Mostyn
posted on 30/5/12
Great analysis of the list Mostyn, if you're living in the dark and distant past! In the case of West Brom you are well wrong Pal. I work with Baggies Fans and they always praise the club for the way they have been treated. One such fan has just renewed his ST and bought two others for his Son and Daughter at a great price. Swansea Fans seem very happy with their lot, as would You and I be too I imagine, so by your reckoning Fulham fans must be delighted too. Stoke have been to an FA Cup final and are practically impossible to beat at home. Some teams have been down to Division 4? And your point is? We had seasons in Div3. Im talking about the here and now Mostyn, the present?
Wigan have a nutty sugar daddy? Yet you state later on that it has nothing to do with him but the Manager and Players, make up your mind whats prevolent!
Your pride leads you to believe that anyone who complains about this Boards want millions and millions thrown away. Smart, sensible investment is all that is needed to push us forward and get Rams packing PP again, like just ONE influencial player to lead these young lads out there! We cant even afford PAUL GREEN! Surely you must be worried about that???
Surely!
posted on 30/5/12
Please tell us what exactly he has done?
I'll try and answer as if I was the owner!
ALL traces of quality gone, your words!
Is this down to the manager or the VP? But either way, we finished higher than any time other than two play-off seasons. So that argument effectively is null. The fact is our manager prefers a different kind of player. Even when we did have quality, he never favoured picking the players with the quality.
£8M a year debt and rising, his words!
Considering we were £30m in debt when GSE/Glick arrived, I think you've got that one wrong. The debt is also to themselves, which means no bank can harm DCFC like when the debt was to a bank.
ST sales at lowest since promotion season 2007.
This can partly be attributed to people's financial situations, people disliking the brand of football and/or people distrusting the owners. I know people from each camp, in roughly equal measures. I would also suggest that most clubs in recent years have seen a slump. Not sure Glick is to blame for all of them.
A Grand Plaza planned, yet the team still suffers.
Suffers? We havent had a transfer window since the Plaza plans were announced, but dont let that ruin your perceptions. Strongest finish in a few years would suggest that the Plaza plans spurred the team on!
A Centre Half out until this time next year,
As above, we havent even entered a transfer window since Barker's injury, so it's too soon to criticise over that!
a reliable midfielder and a good striker GONE, unable to sustain their pay
I assume you're talking about Green and Davies? Both are Jewell signings. Green is leaving due to money issues! even the biggest clubs wont pay the biggest wages. Green wasnt even NC's first choice and I've been told he hates NC and was frustrated at being overlooked for his own position and being played everywhere else on the pitch. I blame NC not Glick for this. As for Davies, this is nothing to do with money, Clough or Glick. This is a decision on grounds of trying to save his marriage.
Two record ST sales in the CCC, disappeared!
Sales only = £6m, easily swallowed by player wages.
One, and im being kind there, parachute payment not invested in the squad.
Really? Are you that myopic? Do you forget all of the money wasted on the loan signings. The parachute payments were spent way before they were received. But even if the owners nicked the money, that makes Glick look even better if I was the owner??
Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
If he fills the stadium, thats a good thing eh? Well done Tom.
What has he achieved for the good of our Club?
What he's done at our club is 'stabilised' the club on the pitch whilst improving the dire situation off it. It's quite simple. We havent got into a worse situation. People predicted all sorts of administration and things like that, but still throughout it, we ended up underperforming on the pitch, which would suggest things have improved in real terms.
posted on 30/5/12
That's not Tom Glick though SDS!
posted on 30/5/12
SDS, you missed the actual point. Before those clubs were able to make their moves and improve, they were exactly like us now, if not worse! Only 2 seasons ago, my best mate who is a Baggie and his family refused to renew (promotion season) as the season before, Stoke invested in James Beattie and stayed up, yet WBA did nothing and accepted relegation.
My Wigan comment is on the fact that they would be massively in debt, in a truly awful financial situation, worse than Pompey. They have had a decent manager who overachieved to get them promoted (a bit like Billy for us), and then Whelan's money has kept them up.
posted on 30/5/12
just clarify something for me please SDS, when you say "Im talking about the here and now Mostyn, the present?", are you promoting some risky strategy to get instant success?
I'm pretty sure you was behind Nigel Clough's "we have a plan over the next few years" comment?
posted on 30/5/12
Firsty I will apologise for the tone of previous posts. I promised myself over recent months that I wouldnt allow myself to do it.
We could quite easily be here all night thrashing our points of view across the thread, and quite frankly I think I need to cool off.
It is quite obvious Mostyn that you will not even begin to appreciate how utterly disgusted some Fans are with the way they have been treated over recent seasons. That much is obvious from your constant undertones to desparage the Manager. Some of your points about him have been quite valid, but I refuse to judge the man until he has been given a level playing field financially to compete with his peers. And by peers I mean managers of similar size and stature of Club.
If you want to call me a hypocrite for questioning Glicks loyalty to a cause which he constantly reminded Fans he was dedicated to, so be it. That is where you and I differ greatly. If I make promises and commitments to people, especially those for whom that commitment means so much, I stay until the job is done. Money and stature is not nearly as important to me as loyalty.
Yes, Glick was only the statesmen for GSE and Pearson merely a partner. Both will now have walked away from our club to greener pastures and full pockets. if thats what makes them happy then all power to them. Its what we are left with that I find a bitter pill to swallow. And you definitely know what I mean by that.
"ALL traces of quality gone, your words!
Is this down to the manager or the VP? But either way, we finished higher than any time other than two play-off seasons. So that argument effectively is null. The fact is our manager prefers a different kind of player. Even when we did have quality, he never favoured picking the players with the quality."
How you consider your answer to simply nullify or dismiss my argument is beyond me. Where are your facts to back up the statement that the manager would never pick the players with quality? Surely another possibility is that knowing they would have to leave, was there any POINT to picking them when they were never going to be part of the long term plan?
"Free and reduced price tickets in sheer desperation to fill the stadium.
If he fills the stadium, thats a good thing eh? Well done Tom."
How about filling the stadium with ALL paying customers, enjoying some Entertainment (remember that?), not a young inexperienced team with no influence and experience to balance it out?
"What he's done at our club is 'stabilised' the club on the pitch whilst improving the dire situation off it."
Did you watch the Fans Forum video Mostyn, if not give it a go, he clearly states that we are ammassing debt again, which if the trend continues will lead us back to the £30M figure you stated. You know as well as I that in football gambles need to be taken from time to time. Speculate to accumulate etc.
He also states that more cuts in finances are to come! All this only two/three? years after we were told that only the debt on the mortgage remained. My memory serves me well Mate.
So, please explain to me how when we are making more cuts this summer, and are not intending to invest with any meaning again, and yet still sustaining debt we can class any of the above as "stabilised"?
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