"Henderson but at least he has pace and urgency and is a talented lad"
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the Hendo joke is good
but the thought that Carrick, Barry and Lampard might even have improved the side makes me
what a sad lot
You're a wum right? if not some village out there is missing its idiot and wants it back ...
Yeah whatever Frankie. Heres news for you, club form is different to International form, for Lampard read Barnes; both great for their respective clubs but poor for their internationl team.
Have you seen Englands midfield perform at the last world cup??? great wasnt it, so mobile and full of urgency, nice triangles feeding of each other and making breaks into the pen area..oh wait, that was the other teams!!!
WE WERE ANIHALTED MATE...ffs, yeah lets keep the same players. 1966 thats 46yrs winning f all...what proof do you need that something needs to change?
Got_Bitter, your Henderson joke was great
yet you say nothing about the Captain of England whose club form used to be great yet under performed for his country, thats a bit hypocritical right?
on a boringly serious note, Henderson has absolutely bags of technical skill and is fairly pacy
But he has the urgency of me being asked to get off the sofa. He's basically a clone of Carrick but younger. I hope he improves.
What we should do for WC 2014 is line up all the English players at one end of the pitch and race them all to the other. The first 23 finished are in the squad.
In what way is Henderson talented you deluded frog?
Carrick can play football, Henderson can't. There's no comparison.
"In what way is Henderson talented you deluded frog?"
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But he has the urgency of me being asked to get off the sofa. He's basically a clone of Carrick but younger. I hope he improves.
Carrick knows how to protect the back 4 properly and he can feed the wingers the ball easily as well. Henderson is good enough to be left back in the changing room. Don't compare a top quality defensive mid with a headless overpriced chicken please.
I just did. Same player. One's younger is all. And has a dodgy TOWIE barnet.
Yeah and we know you don't know how to discuss football properly don't we? Comparing that idiot with a talented defensive midfielder, it's like comparing Adam with Busquests. Although your fans probably think Adam is on par with Iniesta
don't you ever get bored of banter?
Carrick's not that good and Henderson's not that bad
Both play every pass 5-10 yards sideways one touch passing, it always reaches it's target, and both offer very little going forward as they're boring and lack urgency.
Carrick's more experienced but slower. Henderson tackles better (but isn't even that good at it) but Carrick has better positional sense.
Neither should be in the England side as they offer very little of what we need.
Carrick is too slow at the top level, hence why in the Cl utd suffered, at International level Carrick suffers; top level football iin the midfield requires more than Carrick can offer.
And before all the utd fans moan moan moan, the league is different, its 38 games with 50% played at OT for Utd in front of 70K fans and pace all over. The other games are Vs w Brom, Wigan, BBurn, Everton, etc who dont have the top players in International football; only 4 or 5 teams do...so dont go there.
still ignored my comments about the England Captain though...
Carrick's not that good and Henderson's not that bad
Carrick has been the instrumental player that helped United win their titles between 2007-09, he's a quality player and Henderson will never ever reach his level nor win any of the trophies Carrick has. In fact I can see Rodgers shift him out to a midtable club next summer.
Ok Frankie, on Gerrard for England. Honestly, he hasnt pulled up any trees for England, but it was generally acknowledged that it was he and A Cole that were probably only the 2 players to come away with any credit...you dont have to believe me, just google it and see others opinions.
Gerrard offers more than Lampard for England and has more pace than Barry, Lampard or carrick. If its a toss up between Gerrard and Lampard for englands midfield most id wager would pick Gerrard over Lampard; and for good reason, he simply offers more to England than Lampard. You wont agree because you probably "love" lamps, but the general population would choose Gerrard.
Gerrard is past it and his legs have gone, he does not have more pace than Carrick as the latter is younger. Do you enjoy spouting so much drivel?
I wouldn't pick Gerrard, but Hodgeson will find out what a big mistake hes made when they are back in England before the knock out rounds..
A very large proportion of ManUtd's 700 million supporters moan every window that Fergie should replace the centremidfield because it's weak and gets overrun against better sides.
Ronaldo scoring 130 goals a season from 07-09 had very little if anything to do with Carrick.
United always have class on the wings, a great back 4 and forwards who always know where the net is.
Stop trying to give Carrick credit for standing in front of the back 4 and playing it 5 yards sideways. He's good at it but calling him instrumental is like me calling Henderson instrumental in Liverpool beating every top side in England and reaching two Cup finals. We did do that if you hadn't noticed.
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I dont give a fluck what Carrick has won, the prem is no barometer for internationl quality. The CL is probably better; anyway do i really have to remind you how abysmal he has been for England and Utd in the top international and European games?
Didnt Basle, Barca, Bilbao, Germany destroy the teams Carrick playef in; specifically the midfield area? Yeah, not all his fault i know; Barry and Lamps are pants as well and scholes is way off top level quality these days (alright in the prem where its 14 mediocre teams).
what do you lot want? Keep playing these players that contniually let England down? Or maybe try youth that everyone wanted AFTER the last WC? Make your minds up.
If Henderson showed a bit of talent instead of proving to us that English scouts know feck all about talent then I would agree, but he's crap and I know a few scousers that agree with me.
United always have class on the wings, a great back 4 and forwards who always know where the net is.
Agreed, but Carrick was more attack minded back then and chipped in with a few assists and goals. Vital ones as well, such as the 5-2 drubbing of Spurs in the 08-09 season. He's become a bit more defensive now but he still does charge forward when he can, and has a great eye for a pass. You don't watch United much or you're a typical English fan that thinks football should be about goals and attacking but not the defensive work. I mean you slated Lucas all those years but now you appreciate him because he breaks up play, like Carrick does but better.
European Champion Lampard is pants, I knew there was a reason people say you guys are deluded..
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posted on 1/6/12
"Henderson but at least he has pace and urgency and is a talented lad"
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posted on 1/6/12
the Hendo joke is good
but the thought that Carrick, Barry and Lampard might even have improved the side makes me
what a sad lot
posted on 1/6/12
You're a wum right? if not some village out there is missing its idiot and wants it back ...
posted on 1/6/12
Yeah whatever Frankie. Heres news for you, club form is different to International form, for Lampard read Barnes; both great for their respective clubs but poor for their internationl team.
Have you seen Englands midfield perform at the last world cup??? great wasnt it, so mobile and full of urgency, nice triangles feeding of each other and making breaks into the pen area..oh wait, that was the other teams!!!
WE WERE ANIHALTED MATE...ffs, yeah lets keep the same players. 1966 thats 46yrs winning f all...what proof do you need that something needs to change?
posted on 1/6/12
Got_Bitter, your Henderson joke was great
posted on 1/6/12
yet you say nothing about the Captain of England whose club form used to be great yet under performed for his country, thats a bit hypocritical right?
posted on 1/6/12
on a boringly serious note, Henderson has absolutely bags of technical skill and is fairly pacy
But he has the urgency of me being asked to get off the sofa. He's basically a clone of Carrick but younger. I hope he improves.
posted on 1/6/12
What we should do for WC 2014 is line up all the English players at one end of the pitch and race them all to the other. The first 23 finished are in the squad.
posted on 1/6/12
In what way is Henderson talented you deluded frog?
posted on 1/6/12
Carrick can play football, Henderson can't. There's no comparison.
"In what way is Henderson talented you deluded frog?"
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posted on 1/6/12
But he has the urgency of me being asked to get off the sofa. He's basically a clone of Carrick but younger. I hope he improves.
Carrick knows how to protect the back 4 properly and he can feed the wingers the ball easily as well. Henderson is good enough to be left back in the changing room. Don't compare a top quality defensive mid with a headless overpriced chicken please.
posted on 1/6/12
I just did. Same player. One's younger is all. And has a dodgy TOWIE barnet.
posted on 1/6/12
Yeah and we know you don't know how to discuss football properly don't we? Comparing that idiot with a talented defensive midfielder, it's like comparing Adam with Busquests. Although your fans probably think Adam is on par with Iniesta
posted on 1/6/12
don't you ever get bored of banter?
Carrick's not that good and Henderson's not that bad
Both play every pass 5-10 yards sideways one touch passing, it always reaches it's target, and both offer very little going forward as they're boring and lack urgency.
Carrick's more experienced but slower. Henderson tackles better (but isn't even that good at it) but Carrick has better positional sense.
Neither should be in the England side as they offer very little of what we need.
posted on 1/6/12
Carrick is too slow at the top level, hence why in the Cl utd suffered, at International level Carrick suffers; top level football iin the midfield requires more than Carrick can offer.
And before all the utd fans moan moan moan, the league is different, its 38 games with 50% played at OT for Utd in front of 70K fans and pace all over. The other games are Vs w Brom, Wigan, BBurn, Everton, etc who dont have the top players in International football; only 4 or 5 teams do...so dont go there.
posted on 1/6/12
still ignored my comments about the England Captain though...
posted on 2/6/12
Carrick's not that good and Henderson's not that bad
Carrick has been the instrumental player that helped United win their titles between 2007-09, he's a quality player and Henderson will never ever reach his level nor win any of the trophies Carrick has. In fact I can see Rodgers shift him out to a midtable club next summer.
posted on 2/6/12
Ok Frankie, on Gerrard for England. Honestly, he hasnt pulled up any trees for England, but it was generally acknowledged that it was he and A Cole that were probably only the 2 players to come away with any credit...you dont have to believe me, just google it and see others opinions.
Gerrard offers more than Lampard for England and has more pace than Barry, Lampard or carrick. If its a toss up between Gerrard and Lampard for englands midfield most id wager would pick Gerrard over Lampard; and for good reason, he simply offers more to England than Lampard. You wont agree because you probably "love" lamps, but the general population would choose Gerrard.
posted on 2/6/12
Gerrard is past it and his legs have gone, he does not have more pace than Carrick as the latter is younger. Do you enjoy spouting so much drivel?
posted on 2/6/12
I wouldn't pick Gerrard, but Hodgeson will find out what a big mistake hes made when they are back in England before the knock out rounds..
posted on 2/6/12
A very large proportion of ManUtd's 700 million supporters moan every window that Fergie should replace the centremidfield because it's weak and gets overrun against better sides.
Ronaldo scoring 130 goals a season from 07-09 had very little if anything to do with Carrick.
United always have class on the wings, a great back 4 and forwards who always know where the net is.
Stop trying to give Carrick credit for standing in front of the back 4 and playing it 5 yards sideways. He's good at it but calling him instrumental is like me calling Henderson instrumental in Liverpool beating every top side in England and reaching two Cup finals. We did do that if you hadn't noticed.
posted on 2/6/12
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I dont give a fluck what Carrick has won, the prem is no barometer for internationl quality. The CL is probably better; anyway do i really have to remind you how abysmal he has been for England and Utd in the top international and European games?
Didnt Basle, Barca, Bilbao, Germany destroy the teams Carrick playef in; specifically the midfield area? Yeah, not all his fault i know; Barry and Lamps are pants as well and scholes is way off top level quality these days (alright in the prem where its 14 mediocre teams).
what do you lot want? Keep playing these players that contniually let England down? Or maybe try youth that everyone wanted AFTER the last WC? Make your minds up.
posted on 2/6/12
So clueless.
posted on 2/6/12
If Henderson showed a bit of talent instead of proving to us that English scouts know feck all about talent then I would agree, but he's crap and I know a few scousers that agree with me.
United always have class on the wings, a great back 4 and forwards who always know where the net is.
Agreed, but Carrick was more attack minded back then and chipped in with a few assists and goals. Vital ones as well, such as the 5-2 drubbing of Spurs in the 08-09 season. He's become a bit more defensive now but he still does charge forward when he can, and has a great eye for a pass. You don't watch United much or you're a typical English fan that thinks football should be about goals and attacking but not the defensive work. I mean you slated Lucas all those years but now you appreciate him because he breaks up play, like Carrick does but better.
posted on 2/6/12
European Champion Lampard is pants, I knew there was a reason people say you guys are deluded..
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