the player thought he could get a better deal elsewhere but no wanted to pay him more so he crawled back to leeds. he did not try to negoiate wages just said what he wanted and rejected the original offer. as soon as he realised it was the best offer he wanted to come, if someone else would have offered more he would go to them. so tell me blue why would you want a player like this playing for leeds? maybe because your not a fan? or you just like to moan at everything bates does?

666

You've made some great points, actually made me want to think Abit more on this, already changed my mind once on it.

But what I would say 666, the days of players playing for the shirt are long gone, everyone would move for the right money

This might be just putting pressure on the players we are currently interested in.

Making it clear, take our offer or we will find someone else.

I wouldnt be surprised if the real reason is because we have found a better option in the time it took the player to change his mind. Or an option that offers the same value. and if we had not, Ken couldn't have been so cocky.

Could turn out to be a good bit of mind games.

the player thought he could get a better deal elsewhere but no wanted to pay him more so he crawled back to leeds. he did not try to negoiate wages just said what he wanted and rejected the original offer. as soon as he realised it was the best offer he wanted to come, if someone else would have offered more he would go to them
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I can see what you are saying

But that is how 85% of players are in this day and age.

And that policy is sending this club down the pan.

What does it matter in the end we would have still got the player we wanted on the first offer leeds gave him with no pay rise.

So the bottom line is sign the deal or f### off.

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ye we may have got the player but the point is that this player is more bothered about money than football, if we are going to get promoted we want players who are going to give there heart in each game, not someone who came to us because we offered the most money. it shows the type of character this player is

Well I think this might be Gradel One year left and his agent comes in for a pay rise and new contract. Leeds turn it down and now we have West Ham sniffing around.

I hope I' wrong.

Think havefaith has got it spot on

It's not quite that, the club didn't say its not open to negotiations, if a player was to say to Leeds they would prefer to play for us but have received an offer of £2000 a week more from another club, he see's it difficult to turn down the money but if Leeds can match it then he wants to come here.....That's reasonable and if in our budget can be considered or rejected on good terms.

What Ken has clearly stated is that we are not desperate and you cannot take us for what we have out of greed.

He has ensured that this situation doesnt happen again. And the situation is a player that whatever we offered him would have asked for more, whether he liked it or not, to be fair to the player, this will all have been the agent, and there is a chance the player wont have been aware of this pay increase demand.

Even so this is unfortunate on the player.

And something others should learn from!

ye we may have got the player but the point is that this player is more bothered about money than football, if we are going to get promoted we want players who are going to give there heart in each game, not someone who came to us because we offered the most money. it shows the type of character this player is
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You tell me why a player that just wants a bit more money would not give there heart in each game? Then some one on less money?

If you want the better players you have to pay for it.

Stoopo, It mentions his wage at another club so can't be gradel.

What I have said in my previous 2 posts is what I hope the thought process and the situation is, I genuinly believe it is that too...I dont have any way of knowing though, and never will.

from what bates as said, they rejected the offer out right and then demanded more, from that it looks like the agent was not up for negoiating, however this is only bates side of the story so we might never know exactly what happened. maybe if they tried asking for more before rejecting the offer we may have struck a deal

Fortress,

In contract law, any negotiation of the offer automatically rejects the previous offer.

So either way it doesn't make a real difference

blue the player was obvisouly out for money, we offered him a pay rise of a 1/3 of his current wage, which is alot of money. he did not want to negoiate just reject the offer, then demand more money. its only when he realised he would not get what he wanted that he came crawling back. its got nothing to do with the money he is on, it shows he is out for one thing and its not leeds united.

We are 4 weeks away from the start of the season.
We have a severely depleted squad.
Simon Grayson identified a player he wanted to sign.
Ken Bates agreed a contract offer for him.
The player Grayson wants to sign is now prepared to sign for the contract we offered but because the player/his agent tried (unsuccessfully) to negotiate a better deal we will not have him in our squad.

We now know that Ken Bates is prepared to cut off his nose to spite his face to put "greedy" agents / players in their place. Personally, this does not give me any comfort.

With the season rapidly approaching, we still have a severely depleted squad which worries me.

How can anybody support the stance the club has taken over this signing ?

Who cares if an agent tries to negotiate a better contract for his player ?

If Grayson wants to sign a player and he is prepared to sign for the contract we think he is worth, we should snap him up. Massaging Ken Bates' ego is less important than this.

havefaith, yes that may be the case but if the agent came to bates and said we were looking for a bit more is there any chance we could get a bit more and we will sign, bates could say no thats it or try and come to some agreement. that is not what happened. we offered a contract they said no, we want this amount no less. we said on your bike, he tried to get a deal elsewhere, but could not so came back. the agent did not even try and negoiate just gave demands, players like that are not worth it

Thats fair enough Fortress, I agree with what Bates has done here.

I just wanted to clarify that point thats all.

Bates isnt daft and he is aware that the deal he first offered would have been good for the club, otherwise he wouldnt have offered it.

but clearly he has found an equal or better deal with a different player. thus leaving this player surplus to requirements and giving Bates the opportunity to play the mind games required to get better deals else where.

He is making sure that when negotiating with players in future they consider the first offer, and how valuable it is without autamatically demanding 15% more or however much it may be

GW..That's one way of viewing it.

Another would be that as they turned down a good offer and they weren't worth any more we had to look elsewhere and as time is of an essence negotiations were underway with another player when Lonergan told the money grabbing agent to get back and get it sorted.

It is also worth considering what the other agents would have thought if this guy had got away with it. They would all have been trying it on but now they'll think twice!

It is a difficult one. Can not make my mind up.

I do think this policy is sending this club down the pan.

At this level of football are all agent are going be like this? And if you want to sign the players in demand then you have to give way.

So what if he comes crawling back we still get the player that would make the team better or so the manager thinks.

And when you say the player is more bothered about money than football. Well it mite not be the player after the money just the agent.

It does not mean the player is not going give there heart in each game does it?

like i just put on the other thread, would be a lot easier if we knew the player, as if it was a really good player am sure people would change their views.

Spot on guiseley_white_22

Meme,

But what about the points I make, do you think its possible that is the case?

Original Koppite - if we have found somebody else then that's different.

Let's see what news the next few days bring.

It is also worth considering what the other agents would have thought if this guy had got away with it. They would all have been trying it on but now they'll think twice!
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No because they will just go else where with out even looking at leeds?