60 chances created and not a single assist. Your strikers arent that bad (not far off mind you )

Downing has become the laughing stock of the Prem and I think a blind man can see he is not LIverpool quality.

Liverpool used to have players of Alonso, Mascherano, Torres quality. Now you are settling for Downings?

Gerrard isn't the superb player he used to be anymore. He's carried you guys for years and looks burned out.

It can also be demoralising for him to look around and see some of the dross around him. He needs support and the adams and spearings of this world aren't good enough.

Obviously long term Gerrard is not going to be Brendan's player, but he is not about to ditch one of our few players who scores and creates.

Gerrard will play most games under Brendan until we have somebody better, and Henderson, Shelvey et al are nowhere near Gerrard's level yet.

I jsut dont see hwo in the space of just 5 years, you have gone from Alonso/Mashcerano to Adam/Allen, from Torres to Carroll etc.

I mean Arsenal have gone backwards too but they have gone from Fabregas/Nasri to Arteta/Cazorla and from RVP to Podolski. Not the same class but a couple below

You guys have from from world class to championship class.

We had complete muppets behind our transfer policy, I can understand why we bought the players but some of the prices were just ridiculous

comment by Smalling_Jones (U13432)
posted 6 minutes ago
60 chances created and not a single assist. Your strikers arent that bad (not far off mind you )
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no they're not but we didn't play with a striker and when we did, Downing didn't play. Instead Suarez was played there and he's not the type of player to get on the end of an assist, he'll get a simple pass from midfield and try to take on a few players before scoring, unfortunately this is a very difficult way to score goals and thus we had problems and still do if the last game is anything to go by, in scoring goals. Without goals, you're not going to have assists.

This whole idea of a creative player is false, the only thing that creates chances are player movements/positions and/or defensive mistakes. A play makers job is to spot these chances and seize them with a pass or run. The idea that a pass "creates" chances is ludicrous. Downing doesn't play with his head up enough, nor does he have the passing capability to seize these chances on a regular basis.

I am convinced Liverpool will only progress now when both Gerrard and Carragher are phased out.

We coudn't win a Premiership title when they were at their peak with the likes of Mascherano, Alonso, Hyypia and Torres around. It is not gonna happen now.

We will have more hope if the manager can build the team he wants without trying to shoehorn Gerrard into the side.

We need to move on. I'd love to be proved wrong in the next few weeks but I'll be surprised. And I am not talking about the odd decent game...I am talking a sustained level of consistency for a good number of games.

comment by ☹™‏ Mr Frowney (U8836)
posted 28 seconds ago
This whole idea of a creative player is false, the only thing that creates chances are player movements/positions and/or defensive mistakes. A play makers job is to spot these chances and seize them with a pass or run. The idea that a pass "creates" chances is ludicrous. Downing doesn't play with his head up enough, nor does he have the passing capability to seize these chances on a regular basis.
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Absolute nonsense. It is difficult to creat chances but the passing and the movement are both critical in the creation of a chance. Downing's whole career has been based on creating and that's what he's good at and why he was bought. Unfortunately he played in the Suarez lone striker no goals system, so far. However if he plays with a striker, he'll create, like he did last season, only the chance created will more likely turn to an assist.

TOOR

Can you take your pointless little 'creativity' argument elsewhere?

For the record you all make OK points....no need to keep banging on though.

Whats nonsense TOOR? Explain to me how you create chances with only a pass?

We are not trying to win the title though are we, well not right now anyway.

We are just trying to improve the team to challenge the top 4, realistically be a top 6 team again to start with.

Gerrard is still ample good enough to be in a team challenging for the top 6, and Rodgers has not changed his system to keep Gerrard in the team, he is playing exactly the same as he did at Swansea so far, with Gerrard playing the Sigurdsson role.

If after 20 games Gerrard has been fit and has not scored and assisted a good number of goals, then it will be time to question his place in the team.

Not after one game.

Gerrard will play most games under Brendan until we have somebody better, and Henderson, Shelvey et al are nowhere near Gerrard's level yet.
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And never will be

comment by ☹™‏ Mr Frowney (U8836)
posted 20 seconds ago
Whats nonsense TOOR? Explain to me how you create chances with only a pass?
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No. As that's not what I said. I said both the pass and the movement are important. Didn't you read my comment, or just scanned it?

comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 minute ago
We are not trying to win the title though are we, well not right now anyway.

We are just trying to improve the team to challenge the top 4, realistically be a top 6 team again to start with.

Gerrard is still ample good enough to be in a team challenging for the top 6, and Rodgers has not changed his system to keep Gerrard in the team, he is playing exactly the same as he did at Swansea so far, with Gerrard playing the Sigurdsson role.

If after 20 games Gerrard has been fit and has not scored and assisted a good number of goals, then it will be time to question his place in the team.

Not after one game.
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I agree. It's only one game for crying out loud.

No. As that's not what I said. I said both the pass and the movement are important. Didn't you read my comment, or just scanned it?

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When did I say the pass is not important? The pass is critical in seizing chances but it doesn't actually create chances by itself, so what is it that i said is nonsense?

From an outside prespective, I only see Liverpool as a top 7 side now. It's strange because for years they were comfortably top 4 and now the likes of Tottenham and newcastle have raced past you's

Dalglish was the most expensive mistake IMO. Spent so much money on average players

Righteous 1

We are not trying to win the title though are we, well not right now anyway.

We are just trying to improve the team to challenge the top 4, realistically be a top 6 team again to start with.

I agree to a point. Just think Gerrard will stubbornly attempt his hero passes, continue to lose possession...all to the exasperation of what the manager is trying to create. He has a vision of a Barca style but obviously hasn't got the players. Gerrard's style of play is miles away though from what he wants.

comment by ☹™‏ Mr Frowney (U8836)
posted 24 seconds ago
No. As that's not what I said. I said both the pass and the movement are important. Didn't you read my comment, or just scanned it?

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When did I say the pass is not important? The pass is critical in seizing chances but it doesn't actually create chances by itself, so what is it that i said is nonsense?
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Really? I mean really? Come on. Jesus christ man. Ok...

"This whole idea of a creative player is false, the only thing that creates chances are player movements/positions and/or defensive mistakes."

I mean you said the thing, not me.

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Problem is gerrard's body is'nt capable of being that dynamic box to box midfielder of the past, so people expecting man of the match performances every week arre set to be disappointed.
He readily admits he'll need to tailor his game now but there's no reason why he still can't be an important player for your club, his experience will be needed to bring the younger players on.

and whats your point, what i said is correct.
What does a playmaker do, he looks around, spots a chance(created by the runs of his team mates and/or so on) and then seizes it with a pass...

Gerrard was poor yesterday but it would be ridiculous to write him off after 1 bad game when the players are still finding 100% fitness. He will make up for it with his performance vs City I'm sure.

Gerrard stopped being box to box as soon as Rafa didn't trust him in centre midfield and let him do as he pleased out of the way just behind Torres. He hasn't tracked back since then even when he has been employed as one of the central two.

neoliverpool

You may be correct. Gerrard will probably have a stormer against City. It is the next few after that I worry about.