Martinez and Thiago are overrated
"Younger and versatile improve quality of a player now? You sound like a Liverpool fan when they're arguing a case for Gerrard.
Works harder. Another quality which no doubts places Martinez light years ahead of that peasant Arteta.
Probably a better passer? So you're not even sure about this?
More valued? Because Bayern splashed the cash on him. Hardly means he's more valued around the world. You really don't know what you're on about, do you?
Arteta is technically better than him. Smarter and more creative too.
Apart from strength, there's little else Martinez has over him."
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Look here tool, working hard and being versatile are also qualities, that's common sense.
Before Bayern, a whole host of European giants were after his signature, which clearly proves he is a valuable player.
There's a reason Arsenal are the first big top Arteta has played for. He's a solid player, a great professional, but not a top, top player.
" Achievements? Fletcher has achieved more than Arteta, he must be better too. Idiotic argument to bring forward.
He may be more technically talented than him. But that's it.
As I said, I'd be more inclined to rely on Arteta over Thiago, who's still unproven"
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But did Darren Fletcher guide his U21s team to a u21 euro championship? Did he feature for the best club his in history over 40 times at the age of 20? No.
Ignore the typos please, on the bb
"Look here tool, working hard and being versatile are also qualities, that's common sense. "
Not really. They don't really add to a player's quality, or ability.
As I said, it's what people use to make up for a player's lack of ability.
"Before Bayern, a whole host of European giants were after his signature, which clearly proves he is a valuable player. "
I don't care who was after him. Only Man U and Juve were after RVP, he must've been sh'it.
"But did Darren Fletcher guide his U21s team to a u21 euro championship? Did he feature for the best club his in history over 40 times at the age of 20? No."
Woow. U21. Special feat indeed. The guy is now 24. He was one of many average players in world football until his cup run with Bilbao.
He's nothing special.
"Not really. They don't really add to a player's quality, or ability.
As I said, it's what people use to make up for a player's lack of ability."
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Versatility is a quality and an ability, working hard is certainly a quality. My god you lack common sense immensely.
"I don't care who was after him. Only Man U and Juve were after RVP, he must've been sh'it."
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Well no, those are two top teams.
"Woow. U21. Special feat indeed. The guy is now 24. He was one of many average players in world football until his cup run with Bilbao.
He's nothing special."
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I was talking about Thiago you clown.
Why are you comparing three such incomparable players?
Andre i haven't the foggiest.
"Versatility is a quality and an ability, working hard is certainly a quality. My god you lack common sense immensely. "
He repeated himself. Proved me wrong. At least change your tact a little.
But carry on using the the same argument Scousers use when defending Gerrard.
"Well no, those are two top teams. "
That wasn't my point, you simpleton. Llorente had more teams after him, than RVP did, guess he must be better than him.
Using the 'teams after a player' argument is pointless and unsubstantial.
"I was talking about Thiago you clown."
Mean f all. Royston Drenthe was amazing in the Euro's U21, now look at him.
As I said, I have absolutely nothing with you thinking these players are better than Arteta, it's just your basis for argument, logic and the way you overrate those guys that irks people.
andre's samba scarf
Read further back. Kamran brought up an irrelevant argument into the fray.
Once again Dubbed avoiding the points I'm making. Typical.
Saying versatility and hardwork aren't qualities is nothing short of delusional, and you're comparing me to Liverpool fans?
Llorente only had Juve after him. They're the only team that showed a genuine interest in him.
And you're the one who first compared the three players, so don't try and suggest otherwise
As for the irrelevant argument, didn't you bring up Iniesta and Messi from out of nowhere? Such a hypocrite.
Martinez over Arteta? Nooooo... not yet.
He has to play first in the starting eleven of Bayern Munich if he can play on a highest level and consistently.
He could become as good but at the moment. No he isnt.
Agree with Dubbed.
More valued? Because Bayern splashed the cash on him. Hardly means he's more valued around the world. You really don't know what you're on about, do you?
This is because Heynckes made him a long term target and want him at Munich whatever it cost. Bayern Munich is rich.
Bayern Paid that much for Maryinez because Bilbao insisted on them triggering the release clause. Nothing less.
I like Martinez, i really do. But Sergio Biscuit is ahead of him in the spanish squad. Kinda tells a story.
I like Martinez too. He will be a class act but Kamran overrate him a bit just now.
I'm not overrating him. I don't even think he's that good, I just think he's clearly better than Arteta. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Kamran, mate. It's not delusional to think otherwise. I respect your opinions just like you should respect others.
And comparing players of different positions and characteristic is all about personal opinions.
Anybody that disagrees with Kamran is delusional it seems.
Lol Serial, look mate. I don't mind people having different opinions, this one is just so clear-cut though.
It's like me saying Ramsey is better than Xavi. There's having an opinion and there's sheer delusion. What Dubbed is saying is the latter.
Plus, I'm being overly aggressive and rude being this is Dubbed
Look Dubbed, Batmanu is here to finish off the rimjob!
Has he ever not been there for you?
"I don't mind people having different opinions, this one is just so clear-cut though."
Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?
"Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?"
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No, that's not clear cut, it's just my opinion.
"I'm not overrating him. I don't even think he's that good, I just think he's clearly better than Arteta. It's delusional to think otherwise."
So anyone that disagrees with you is "delusional"? Funny thing is you're the delusional one.
Just cause a player is Spanish, doesn't automatically make him class. Same with playing for Barca.
So when you say Martinez is better than Arteta it is fact?
"Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?"
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posted on 6/9/12
Martinez and Thiago are overrated
posted on 6/9/12
"Younger and versatile improve quality of a player now? You sound like a Liverpool fan when they're arguing a case for Gerrard.
Works harder. Another quality which no doubts places Martinez light years ahead of that peasant Arteta.
Probably a better passer? So you're not even sure about this?
More valued? Because Bayern splashed the cash on him. Hardly means he's more valued around the world. You really don't know what you're on about, do you?
Arteta is technically better than him. Smarter and more creative too.
Apart from strength, there's little else Martinez has over him."
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Look here tool, working hard and being versatile are also qualities, that's common sense.
Before Bayern, a whole host of European giants were after his signature, which clearly proves he is a valuable player.
There's a reason Arsenal are the first big top Arteta has played for. He's a solid player, a great professional, but not a top, top player.
" Achievements? Fletcher has achieved more than Arteta, he must be better too. Idiotic argument to bring forward.
He may be more technically talented than him. But that's it.
As I said, I'd be more inclined to rely on Arteta over Thiago, who's still unproven"
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But did Darren Fletcher guide his U21s team to a u21 euro championship? Did he feature for the best club his in history over 40 times at the age of 20? No.
posted on 6/9/12
Ignore the typos please, on the bb
posted on 6/9/12
"Look here tool, working hard and being versatile are also qualities, that's common sense. "
Not really. They don't really add to a player's quality, or ability.
As I said, it's what people use to make up for a player's lack of ability.
"Before Bayern, a whole host of European giants were after his signature, which clearly proves he is a valuable player. "
I don't care who was after him. Only Man U and Juve were after RVP, he must've been sh'it.
"But did Darren Fletcher guide his U21s team to a u21 euro championship? Did he feature for the best club his in history over 40 times at the age of 20? No."
Woow. U21. Special feat indeed. The guy is now 24. He was one of many average players in world football until his cup run with Bilbao.
He's nothing special.
posted on 6/9/12
"Not really. They don't really add to a player's quality, or ability.
As I said, it's what people use to make up for a player's lack of ability."
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Versatility is a quality and an ability, working hard is certainly a quality. My god you lack common sense immensely.
"I don't care who was after him. Only Man U and Juve were after RVP, he must've been sh'it."
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Well no, those are two top teams.
"Woow. U21. Special feat indeed. The guy is now 24. He was one of many average players in world football until his cup run with Bilbao.
He's nothing special."
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I was talking about Thiago you clown.
posted on 6/9/12
You two, just drop it!
posted on 6/9/12
Why are you comparing three such incomparable players?
posted on 6/9/12
Andre i haven't the foggiest.
posted on 6/9/12
"Versatility is a quality and an ability, working hard is certainly a quality. My god you lack common sense immensely. "
He repeated himself. Proved me wrong. At least change your tact a little.
But carry on using the the same argument Scousers use when defending Gerrard.
"Well no, those are two top teams. "
That wasn't my point, you simpleton. Llorente had more teams after him, than RVP did, guess he must be better than him.
Using the 'teams after a player' argument is pointless and unsubstantial.
"I was talking about Thiago you clown."
Mean f all. Royston Drenthe was amazing in the Euro's U21, now look at him.
As I said, I have absolutely nothing with you thinking these players are better than Arteta, it's just your basis for argument, logic and the way you overrate those guys that irks people.
posted on 6/9/12
andre's samba scarf
Read further back. Kamran brought up an irrelevant argument into the fray.
posted on 6/9/12
Once again Dubbed avoiding the points I'm making. Typical.
Saying versatility and hardwork aren't qualities is nothing short of delusional, and you're comparing me to Liverpool fans?
Llorente only had Juve after him. They're the only team that showed a genuine interest in him.
And you're the one who first compared the three players, so don't try and suggest otherwise
As for the irrelevant argument, didn't you bring up Iniesta and Messi from out of nowhere? Such a hypocrite.
posted on 6/9/12
Martinez over Arteta? Nooooo... not yet.
He has to play first in the starting eleven of Bayern Munich if he can play on a highest level and consistently.
He could become as good but at the moment. No he isnt.
Agree with Dubbed.
posted on 6/9/12
More valued? Because Bayern splashed the cash on him. Hardly means he's more valued around the world. You really don't know what you're on about, do you?
This is because Heynckes made him a long term target and want him at Munich whatever it cost. Bayern Munich is rich.
posted on 6/9/12
Bayern Paid that much for Maryinez because Bilbao insisted on them triggering the release clause. Nothing less.
I like Martinez, i really do. But Sergio Biscuit is ahead of him in the spanish squad. Kinda tells a story.
posted on 6/9/12
I like Martinez too. He will be a class act but Kamran overrate him a bit just now.
posted on 6/9/12
I'm not overrating him. I don't even think he's that good, I just think he's clearly better than Arteta. It's delusional to think otherwise.
posted on 6/9/12
Kamran, mate. It's not delusional to think otherwise. I respect your opinions just like you should respect others.
And comparing players of different positions and characteristic is all about personal opinions.
posted on 6/9/12
Anybody that disagrees with Kamran is delusional it seems.
posted on 6/9/12
Lol Serial, look mate. I don't mind people having different opinions, this one is just so clear-cut though.
It's like me saying Ramsey is better than Xavi. There's having an opinion and there's sheer delusion. What Dubbed is saying is the latter.
Plus, I'm being overly aggressive and rude being this is Dubbed
posted on 6/9/12
Look Dubbed, Batmanu is here to finish off the rimjob!
Has he ever not been there for you?
posted on 6/9/12
"I don't mind people having different opinions, this one is just so clear-cut though."
Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?
posted on 6/9/12
"Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?"
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No, that's not clear cut, it's just my opinion.
posted on 6/9/12
"I'm not overrating him. I don't even think he's that good, I just think he's clearly better than Arteta. It's delusional to think otherwise."
So anyone that disagrees with you is "delusional"? Funny thing is you're the delusional one.
Just cause a player is Spanish, doesn't automatically make him class. Same with playing for Barca.
posted on 6/9/12
So when you say Martinez is better than Arteta it is fact?
posted on 6/9/12
"Clear cut like Lombaerts and Vermaelen?"
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