Not once has that been in reference to hillsborough.
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So what was is it in reference to ?
Dont recall Liverpool fans making many excuses for what happened at Heysel, and the Suarez affair only concerned one individual, who thought he was being victimized, so how exactly would the term, 'never your fault', be exclusively relevant to those two incidents.
Some of you on here really need to get your story straight.
Some on this thread have said it was only sung recently, regarding Suarez, and others make reference to a tragedy that happened in 1985, as another reason for the song.
Even if it was about Heysel, I doubt many singing it, have ever given a second thought about the poor people who lost their lives in Brussels, and are simply using this incident to simply get one over, or points score, against fans of a club they simply dont like.
Either way, it seems like disingenuous nonsense to me.
I think many united fans are upset, that at long last, the media have put the spotlight on their fans, who themselves dont have the greatest record of behavior, and the disgusting attitude the resides within certain groups of supporters, at old trafford, which shows itself especially when these two teams meet.
Dont get me wrong, there are similar idiots who follow Liverpool, but today, the spotlight is firmly on united fans, albeit a minority, who just dont seem to know how to behave with a little dignity, and respect, due to nothing more than a silly dislike for a football club, and its fans.
The spotlight is on them and rightly so.
Why do they continually chant stuff regarding Liverpool web they're not even playing against them?
comment by Grand Theft Auto: Santos Andreas (U2725)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
The victim chant may have been insensitive but it has nothing to do with Hillsborough. Liverpool fans who say otherwise are just being over sensitive. We all know that this chant is about Heysel and the Suarez racial abuse incident didn't help either. Whether you feel the chant is inappropriate or not is entirely up to yourself (considering the timing I think it WAS inappropriate) but it still has nothing to do with Hillsborough so people should wind their necks in before making such accusations.
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AGREED!
Sadly, whatever Man United and their fans do will be picked over and blown out of all proportion by the media and the ABUs. This thread shows some examples of that.
Munich was just as much a tragedy as hillsborough
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The Munich crash was an unfortunate accident, Hillsborough, was down to a set of circumstances that came about because of criminal negligence, which directly put people in danger, and eventually saw 96 men women and children lose their lives, going to a football match, on a sunny day in April.
To compound this, 23 years of innuendo and lies were to follow, and one of the biggest cover ups in this countries history.
Munich was indeed a tragedy, for those involved, but I really dont think it compares at all to what happened at Hillsborough.
Have some ladders lads, it'll be easier to get down off your high horse to watch the game later.
Jlou, the finger of blame for Heysel was famously pointed at Chelsea fans by elements within the club. That's why it fits the song. I'd expect a Liverpool fan to know this.
What do you want out of these little rants? A counter Munich accusation and a barney?
The chant is aimed at Hillsborough, and its a disgrace
Sadly, whatever Man United and their fans do will be picked over and blown out of all proportion by the media
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Thats simply not true.
I recall only a couple of years ago, united fans running a muck at Bradford, I think it was, when they stormed the cafe area, and ransacked the place, with women hiding in storage cupboards, yet it seemed to brushed conveniently under the carpet.
Similarly, only recently, Craig Bellamy playing for city, had glass bottles thrown at his head, by united fans, and this also seemed to disappear without trace as a story.
And as for victims, a couple of years ago, united fans thought they could get away with trouble in Rome, until they got their eyes wiped, and the italian riot squad took no nonsense, and put a swift end to it.
Next thing you know, the united fans claim to be the victims of overzealous policing, from the italians.
So maybe, unless your in a position of being whiter than white, you should just simply keep your mouth shut.
Bull... Why the word "always" in the chant?
But I think you already know this.
Elements within Man Utd said the chants in the match v Wigan did have connections with Hillsborough, and condemned them.
Seems some people on here are making excuses for those chants.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 6 minutes ago
Munich was just as much a tragedy as hillsborough
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The Munich crash was an unfortunate accident, Hillsborough, was down to a set of circumstances that came about because of criminal negligence, which directly put people in danger, and eventually saw 96 men women and children lose their lives, going to a football match, on a sunny day in April.
To compound this, 23 years of innuendo and lies were to follow, and one of the biggest cover ups in this countries history.
Munich was indeed a tragedy, for those involved, but I really dont think it compares at all to what happened at Hillsborough.
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Really?
REALLY??!!!
Our tragedy is worse than your tragedy, THAT'S your argument now?
So chanting about Munich isn't as bad as chanting about Hillsborough?
My god I've seen some pathetic ramblings on 606's over the years, but I think you've found a new sad, desperate low.
You need to have a word with yourself.
RED666 is here with his wooden spoon, hey keep stirring, I'm sure that's what the victims, survivors, and families of the Hillsborough tragedy would want
jlou1978
The Rome incident wasn't down to the Utd fans you fool , its clowns like you that cause all the ill feelings between fans.
Scousers seem to be more dignified about this than the out of towner's who've latched on to their club, nWo. I can't imagine anyone directly involved or affected would spend their time needling United fans on an anonymous forum.
So chanting about Munich isn't as bad as chanting about Hillsborough?
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Of course it is.
nWo, the smiley god
WTF you on about, stirring I think not, thats how I feel about the chants, you really aint got a clue have you
I can't imagine anyone directly involved or affected would spend their time needling United fans on an anonymous forum.
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Making your point, that doesn't necessarily fit in to what someone else agrees with, isn't needling.
I simply find a lot of the reasoning behind the singing of certain songs recently, to be disingenuous to say the least.
Just ignore the ignorant smiley kid who thinks everything is ABU.. In a week the truth was revealed and most teams paid respect, a certain group of fans decided to chant "always the victims". It's disgraceful.
You're just looking for cheap digs mate. What's the point? If someone says they've never thought of the victims chant being about hillsborough it just opens the door to a rant about how it is. I've gleefully joined in that chant, and I've never thought of it as being about Hillsborough. You can't come on here and just unilaterally say "we'll it is". Careful about propagating that stereotype.
RED666, all reports from those who attend games regularly say thr chant is NOT about Hillsborough, yet your first post on here says it is i.e. you are stirring it up.
jlou, even your fellow Liverpool fans see you for the fool you are.
nWo, the smiley god
A question for you muppet, so if the chant has nothing to do with hillsborough and the is aimed at Suarez then why did SAF and Co say they deplore the chant against Wigan ???
You can't come on here and just unilaterally say "we'll it is"
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I am sure, that there are united fans who have sung this song, who dont think of it as being directly regarding Hillsborough, but I'm equally sure, that there are many who do.
I have never said 'all united fans', and have pointed out that they are in the minority, but as I said, the reasoning, and excuses made by some, are completely disingenuous.
If its taken by those that suffered at hillsborough or their families and friends as mocking them then it should stop, regardless of whether it is or not. That's how I read the situation.
jlou, even your fellow Liverpool fans see you for the fool you are.
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I couldn't give a flying toss what other Liverpool fans think, I speak for myself, and my perception of whats going on.
Always the victim chant isn't about a single event. That's where the "always " comes from.
RED666, SAF said chanting about any tragedy is deplorable. He also said he never heard the chanting at OT last weekend, and was going by what he was told people in the Directors box had heard. No doubt his opinion has been swayed by the bull in the media, just like yours.
MUST said the chant isn't new and is nothing to do with Hillsborough, they are there at every game in with their fellow fans, so are far more knowledgeable about the meaning of chants. So I will believe them over bull in the media and ABU bile.
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posted on 23/9/12
Not once has that been in reference to hillsborough.
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So what was is it in reference to ?
Dont recall Liverpool fans making many excuses for what happened at Heysel, and the Suarez affair only concerned one individual, who thought he was being victimized, so how exactly would the term, 'never your fault', be exclusively relevant to those two incidents.
Some of you on here really need to get your story straight.
Some on this thread have said it was only sung recently, regarding Suarez, and others make reference to a tragedy that happened in 1985, as another reason for the song.
Even if it was about Heysel, I doubt many singing it, have ever given a second thought about the poor people who lost their lives in Brussels, and are simply using this incident to simply get one over, or points score, against fans of a club they simply dont like.
Either way, it seems like disingenuous nonsense to me.
I think many united fans are upset, that at long last, the media have put the spotlight on their fans, who themselves dont have the greatest record of behavior, and the disgusting attitude the resides within certain groups of supporters, at old trafford, which shows itself especially when these two teams meet.
Dont get me wrong, there are similar idiots who follow Liverpool, but today, the spotlight is firmly on united fans, albeit a minority, who just dont seem to know how to behave with a little dignity, and respect, due to nothing more than a silly dislike for a football club, and its fans.
posted on 23/9/12
The spotlight is on them and rightly so.
Why do they continually chant stuff regarding Liverpool web they're not even playing against them?
posted on 23/9/12
^when
posted on 23/9/12
comment by Grand Theft Auto: Santos Andreas (U2725)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
The victim chant may have been insensitive but it has nothing to do with Hillsborough. Liverpool fans who say otherwise are just being over sensitive. We all know that this chant is about Heysel and the Suarez racial abuse incident didn't help either. Whether you feel the chant is inappropriate or not is entirely up to yourself (considering the timing I think it WAS inappropriate) but it still has nothing to do with Hillsborough so people should wind their necks in before making such accusations.
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AGREED!
Sadly, whatever Man United and their fans do will be picked over and blown out of all proportion by the media and the ABUs. This thread shows some examples of that.
posted on 23/9/12
Munich was just as much a tragedy as hillsborough
========================================
The Munich crash was an unfortunate accident, Hillsborough, was down to a set of circumstances that came about because of criminal negligence, which directly put people in danger, and eventually saw 96 men women and children lose their lives, going to a football match, on a sunny day in April.
To compound this, 23 years of innuendo and lies were to follow, and one of the biggest cover ups in this countries history.
Munich was indeed a tragedy, for those involved, but I really dont think it compares at all to what happened at Hillsborough.
posted on 23/9/12
Have some ladders lads, it'll be easier to get down off your high horse to watch the game later.
Jlou, the finger of blame for Heysel was famously pointed at Chelsea fans by elements within the club. That's why it fits the song. I'd expect a Liverpool fan to know this.
What do you want out of these little rants? A counter Munich accusation and a barney?
posted on 23/9/12
The chant is aimed at Hillsborough, and its a disgrace
posted on 23/9/12
Sadly, whatever Man United and their fans do will be picked over and blown out of all proportion by the media
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Thats simply not true.
I recall only a couple of years ago, united fans running a muck at Bradford, I think it was, when they stormed the cafe area, and ransacked the place, with women hiding in storage cupboards, yet it seemed to brushed conveniently under the carpet.
Similarly, only recently, Craig Bellamy playing for city, had glass bottles thrown at his head, by united fans, and this also seemed to disappear without trace as a story.
And as for victims, a couple of years ago, united fans thought they could get away with trouble in Rome, until they got their eyes wiped, and the italian riot squad took no nonsense, and put a swift end to it.
Next thing you know, the united fans claim to be the victims of overzealous policing, from the italians.
So maybe, unless your in a position of being whiter than white, you should just simply keep your mouth shut.
posted on 23/9/12
Bull... Why the word "always" in the chant?
But I think you already know this.
Elements within Man Utd said the chants in the match v Wigan did have connections with Hillsborough, and condemned them.
Seems some people on here are making excuses for those chants.
posted on 23/9/12
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 6 minutes ago
Munich was just as much a tragedy as hillsborough
========================================
The Munich crash was an unfortunate accident, Hillsborough, was down to a set of circumstances that came about because of criminal negligence, which directly put people in danger, and eventually saw 96 men women and children lose their lives, going to a football match, on a sunny day in April.
To compound this, 23 years of innuendo and lies were to follow, and one of the biggest cover ups in this countries history.
Munich was indeed a tragedy, for those involved, but I really dont think it compares at all to what happened at Hillsborough.
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Really?
REALLY??!!!
Our tragedy is worse than your tragedy, THAT'S your argument now?
So chanting about Munich isn't as bad as chanting about Hillsborough?
My god I've seen some pathetic ramblings on 606's over the years, but I think you've found a new sad, desperate low.
You need to have a word with yourself.
RED666 is here with his wooden spoon, hey keep stirring, I'm sure that's what the victims, survivors, and families of the Hillsborough tragedy would want
posted on 23/9/12
jlou1978
The Rome incident wasn't down to the Utd fans you fool , its clowns like you that cause all the ill feelings between fans.
posted on 23/9/12
Scousers seem to be more dignified about this than the out of towner's who've latched on to their club, nWo. I can't imagine anyone directly involved or affected would spend their time needling United fans on an anonymous forum.
posted on 23/9/12
So chanting about Munich isn't as bad as chanting about Hillsborough?
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Of course it is.
posted on 23/9/12
nWo, the smiley god
WTF you on about, stirring I think not, thats how I feel about the chants, you really aint got a clue have you
posted on 23/9/12
I can't imagine anyone directly involved or affected would spend their time needling United fans on an anonymous forum.
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Making your point, that doesn't necessarily fit in to what someone else agrees with, isn't needling.
I simply find a lot of the reasoning behind the singing of certain songs recently, to be disingenuous to say the least.
posted on 23/9/12
Just ignore the ignorant smiley kid who thinks everything is ABU.. In a week the truth was revealed and most teams paid respect, a certain group of fans decided to chant "always the victims". It's disgraceful.
posted on 23/9/12
You're just looking for cheap digs mate. What's the point? If someone says they've never thought of the victims chant being about hillsborough it just opens the door to a rant about how it is. I've gleefully joined in that chant, and I've never thought of it as being about Hillsborough. You can't come on here and just unilaterally say "we'll it is". Careful about propagating that stereotype.
posted on 23/9/12
RED666, all reports from those who attend games regularly say thr chant is NOT about Hillsborough, yet your first post on here says it is i.e. you are stirring it up.
jlou, even your fellow Liverpool fans see you for the fool you are.
posted on 23/9/12
nWo, the smiley god
A question for you muppet, so if the chant has nothing to do with hillsborough and the is aimed at Suarez then why did SAF and Co say they deplore the chant against Wigan ???
posted on 23/9/12
You can't come on here and just unilaterally say "we'll it is"
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I am sure, that there are united fans who have sung this song, who dont think of it as being directly regarding Hillsborough, but I'm equally sure, that there are many who do.
I have never said 'all united fans', and have pointed out that they are in the minority, but as I said, the reasoning, and excuses made by some, are completely disingenuous.
posted on 23/9/12
If its taken by those that suffered at hillsborough or their families and friends as mocking them then it should stop, regardless of whether it is or not. That's how I read the situation.
posted on 23/9/12
jlou, even your fellow Liverpool fans see you for the fool you are.
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I couldn't give a flying toss what other Liverpool fans think, I speak for myself, and my perception of whats going on.
posted on 23/9/12
Always the victim chant isn't about a single event. That's where the "always " comes from.
posted on 23/9/12
RED666, SAF said chanting about any tragedy is deplorable. He also said he never heard the chanting at OT last weekend, and was going by what he was told people in the Directors box had heard. No doubt his opinion has been swayed by the bull in the media, just like yours.
MUST said the chant isn't new and is nothing to do with Hillsborough, they are there at every game in with their fellow fans, so are far more knowledgeable about the meaning of chants. So I will believe them over bull in the media and ABU bile.
posted on 23/9/12
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