If the police kept on pulling you over, eventually you'd ring up the Constable

We can all see the decisions are slanted against us, glad BR made the call; i mean he has video evidence to back him up

I'd say B-Rod charmed the pantaloones offa Riley.

Two Pool pennos against Norwich, me thinks!

These things happen, two or three seasons ago we had the luck of the devil, so many decisions went our way it was a bit cringeworthy.

It's interesting reading the comments attached to the BBC story. Lots of 'BR's detracting from the league position' and 'Stop whining these things even out'. Rodgers, and us, have got a genuine reason to feel aggrieved.

It's a good call. The more managers talk about refs and impartiality the more they get. Fergie have been doing it for years.

He hasn't lambasted any particular referee which means he won't get fined.

Referees are supposed to be impartial, but it is quite clear that they are have a preconceived notion that Suarez is a diver. He has done it in the past and he has a reputation, but decisions needs to be impartial. If it's a foul it's a foul, it doesn't matter if he's dived in the past. Referees aren't doing this. The yellow card against Sunderland was given because of his reputation. It was a foul and should have been a penalty. The penalty against United wasn't given because of his reputation which is unfair as it was more a penalty than Valencia's.

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Yeah red men I read those....... zzzzzzz

Greatteams

I'm not saying there's an agenda as such. But when one decision goes against us, and another clearly comparable decision also goes against us. You can see why questions are being asked by both BR, and the fans.

I think it's more about refereeing consistency. Take the Liuz tackle on Saturday. Worse than Shelvey's yet only a yellow. Or Mulumbu on Henderson yesterday. How did he only get away with a talking to?

Whilst I don't think there's an agenda against Liverpool, i do believe that the referees have an agenda against Suarez.

He just doesn't get decisions because of his character

Metro

Agree with that. Yet Welbeck is becoming prolific in the diving stakes, yet still gets decisions going his way. I know Luis goes down theatrically when fouled. But it's not that often, or as often as others, that he goes down under no contact.

Where do you think the reputation has come from?

I don't think there is any agenda from refs with regard to us. Some players reputations precede them which can give the ref a prejudicial view, that is definitely wrong.

What there is with the Refs and the FA is arrogance and inconsistency and quite frankly, a lack of being able to do a job to a professional enough level.

The FA likes to deal with it by slapping dissenting players and managers with fines and touchline bans, they're treating us all like children, pretty much the same way blatter did about goal line technology.

For me this isn't about any one team, player, manager or referee, its about all of them and getting it right, whatever the outcome.

For me this isn't about any one team, player, manager or referee, its about all of them and getting it right, whatever the outcome.

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Spot on, it's not just about us being "victims". It's about being impartial and fair. The referees code of conduct requires this but there is clear prejudice.

There isn't a witch-hunt, but in our last three games we have had two penalties turned down, because the player fouled has become in the eyes of the media, and it seems the eyes of the referee's a pantomime villain of sorts.

Add in a contentious penalty against us, a controversial sending of decision, and last nights Muamba assault then Rodgers is rightfully pssd off.

Showing his is willing to fight for the club is also a smart move on his part. Hodgson's paralysis in this department helped turn the fans against him. It's a smart move imo. He isn't naming anyone directly.He will just look at the these decisions with Riley and say wtf?

Iv'e been thinking wtf, so I'm glad he's highlighted it and isn't breaking any rules by doing so.

The Suarez issue annoys me. It might happen to other players too, but as a Liverpool fan, it's very noticeable with him. I don't care if he has a reputation as a diver, regardless of the strength of the claims, he gets fouled numerous times, often blatantly, and gets absolutely nothing. One that really sticks in the memory is vs Arsenal, he got behind Mertesacker as a cross was coming in. Mertesacker fouls him for an obvious penalty and red card, but nothing given...

As for refereeing in general, I can fully understand mistakes being made, even if we can't understand the mistakes. It must be a very difficult job, I certainly think I would struggle.

We've heard all week that Shelvey was reckless, and Evans wasn't. This is despite Evans going in two footed.

I can't stop wondering how United's fans, and Fergie, would have reacted had Kompany not been sent off for his two footed tackle on Nani last season. After all he got the ball.

true redman,

Carrgher was touted as a mindless thug for his shocker on Nani.

The fact that he cried about it and we found this funny obviously annoyed the mancs, but not many red seriously believed that Carragher shouldn't have been sent off.

I think it's a weak argument accusing us of the victim mentality etc. Unfortunately when we point out inconsistencies that have happened to other teams we seem to be viewed as having some kind of tantrum about it not being fair on LFC etc.

In reality, it isn't fair, on any of us.

It's all about integrity, Refs rarely explain themselves, the FA always back them and they hardly ever apologise, yet they want respect on the pitch from players and they want fans to respect them from the terraces.

It's about time the FA and the Refs stop treating us all like children then perhaps they might get the respect they crave.

Reggie (U13390) made some excellent points (and makes me wish there were more of you and less of posters like Serial Wuminiser).

When we (Man UTD) had Ronaldo, he had built up a reputation as a diver and we had a few decisions that went against him for such a reputation. The same is happening for Suarez. They didn't help themselves because they bought such an action upon themselves.

Reputations will play a part in decision making. Whether we like to think it should or shouldn't, it will. If a player has a reputation of diving, and goes to ground in the penalty area, the Ref will be double guessing himself. Put yourself in a Ref's position, you see a guy go down, theatrically. He has a reputation of diving. It's a 50-50 decision (as you get one look). What do you decide to do? Give a penalty? Most would not (my assumption) as the guy has previous.

What I would like to see is, an experiment where people only get one look at a contentious decision and see how many come to a correct decision.

but they miss so many things that are blatant, fellainis handball for instance. That's another point, they have only just accepted the fact that they need goal line technology but it really does need replays I think. They are making and breaking reputations on a whim!!

You're really saying the referees can't be objective, so can they really be the impartial overseers that they're supposed to be?

That's true Devil. When I first saw Tue penalty incident I said dive. It wasnt until I saw the replay I knew it should have been a penalty.

the reason suarez didbt get the penalty v united was plain and simple in real time it looked like a dive he threw his head back amd did a twist its an unnatural way of falling thats all the red gets to see. only with the replay was I able to see contact and even with that suarez still exaggerated it. I can see why it wasnt given, given his reputation. its the part of his game I hate he has so much talent and doesnt need to resort to this kind of thing just fall dont add to it.

A witch hunt and ref bias arent the issue here, that's clearly nonsense. It's referee incompetence.

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good luck comes and goes and I really think there is little to gain from criticising refs, it is in the ref's own interest to call a fair game.